Why doe Jurassic Park look better than any movie released today?

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Medalion said:
I am not talking about if JP never existed and then was made today, I am talking about a Jurassic Park reboot... different people, director etc etc

It would be a CG orgy that would fuck your eye-sockets out

Oh man, talk about a horror-scenario ...
 
Vinci said:
Oh, well yeah. As Spielberg has said, and I agree with him on this matter, many directors don't know how to properly utilize special effects.

Every movie Spielberg has made has aged with grace. While he has made a few mediocre movies they still launched acting careers for good actors. And he's one of the few directors today who can bring enough style without sacrificing substance.
 
mrklaw said:
FFS. we didn't do dinosaurs in depth. I was a child. Big fucking dinosaurs, thats all. I pointed out that I didn't care what they are called now which means I understand that naming has changed. I'm not celebrating my ignorance, I was merely pre-empting the onslaught of the pedants.

my favourite dinosaur when I was little was the Stegosaurus. God knows what its called these days.

When did people stop calling it Brontosaurus? That's what it was called in my school.
 
The absence of animatronics has damaged newer movies abilities to create realistic looking CGI since movie makers lack a real life template to contrast with and match against.
 
SlipperySlope said:
When did people stop calling it Brontosaurus? That's what it was called in my school.
Brontosaurus was recognized as a misidentified Apatosaurus in 1903.

The name "Brontosaurus" just got so popular in the mainstream that it was impossible to correct everyone. FFS, even Firefox's spellcheck is telling me that Brontosaurus is a word, while Apatosaurus is not.
 
i really wanna see a modern dinosaur movie updated with the feathered look we now know raptors etc looked like

Tyrannosaurus-rex_feathered.jpg


JP quality dinos but like THAT hehe
 
MrHicks said:
i really wanna see a modern dinosaur movie updated with the feathered look we now know raptors etc looked like

Tyrannosaurus-rex_feathered.jpg


JP quality dinos but like THAT hehe

So do I.

Should be done in an updated version.
 
MrHicks said:
i really wanna see a modern dinosaur movie updated with the feathered look we now know raptors etc looked like

Tyrannosaurus-rex_feathered.jpg


JP quality dinos but like THAT hehe

That's not very scary. More like a six foot turkey.
 
shintoki said:
While not as bad as Lucas, it's not so much that he does it very well. But the imposed technical limitations on it force him too. If CG was at the level it is now, it probably would of been a lot different.
Actually Spielberg still nails it. At the same time Lucas was cranking out CGI overload for Star Wars, Spielberg was modestly using it to great affect for Minority Report, AI, & War of the Worlds.

His worst effects movie of all time is Crystal Skull, but his other stuff is very good and holds up very well.

As an old school director (Pro acting and actual sets/locales) I don't think he's comfortable with not controlling the process.

Now with Avatar he was shown he could have both worlds and thus we have Rin Tin Tin.

EDIT: Not really disagreeing with the official post, but Lost World's dinosaurs were an improvement over Jurassic Parks although it was my least favorite of the three.
 
I will defend The Lost World here to the death.

To all The Lost World haters, I disagree.

How anyone could hate The Lost World with Jurassic Park 3 being in existence is beyond me.
 
Isn't Jurassic Park 4 still in development? I having heard much about it in a long time.

I agree though. JP holds up very well by today standards.
 
Vinci said:
Keep in mind I haven't seen Indy 4, but... Spielberg has always intentionally used less impressive effects in the Indiana Jones films. If you look at any of the films and compare their effects to any of his others during that time period, they will inevitably come off as very awkward or silly. I remember reading a discussion between Spielberg and Lucas in which they talked about using 'old-school' techniques for the effects as an homage to the sort of pulp novels and serials that inspired the creation of the series.
The effects were non CGI for Indy films and I personally think Lucas had a heavy hand in Indy 4. It makes no sense why the effects were THAT bad (Although I enjoyed the nuclear explosion) when Spielberg never had a problem with it before unless he lost interest
like I did.
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ymmv said:
Oops. Pavlovian slip.

Melfice7 said:
the american godzilla (98') had pretty good cg

It may have been mentioned already, but there was a reason it was dark and rainy the entire movie.:lol
 
MrHicks said:
i really wanna see a modern dinosaur movie updated with the feathered look we now know raptors etc looked like

Tyrannosaurus-rex_feathered.jpg


JP quality dinos but like THAT hehe

Fuck no. I'd rather just pretend that never happened. Somebody should have stepped in and orchestrated a big cover-up of that information to preserve dino dignity.
 
Relix said:
Confession Time:

When I was a kid I used to look at the VHS Cover and it said "A movie 80 millions of years in the making" or something along those lines and I used to think... Wow that's a lot of time they spent making this movie.

Fucking idiot I was :lol
No worse than me: I thought that they filmed the scenes with the kids and then waited for them to grow up to film the rest of the movie.
 
A lot of real talented minds were at work on this movie, i was talking about this very same subject with a friend some weeks ago.

If I remember correctly Phil Tippett and his team were animating a lot of the dinosaurs based on little mo-cap puppets that would take the frames in digitally. So much of the spirit of the animation was very hand-crafted similar to stop-motion... not to mention Tippett is really great at giving lots of character to animations. but so much of that movie was done great.

To me it's kinda' how they did with Little Shop of Horrors. It has a different quality to the animation because they did the puppet in slo-mo and doubled the frames when they were done filming. rick morranis would even move around and act in slo-mo
 
i watched this last night, and it's an excellent movie. i was pretty impressed actually, particularly when i considered how cleverly they got around the fact that it's an extremely complex crichton novel, and the ways in which they explained the concepts in such an economical way.
 
beelzebozo said:
i watched this last night, and it's an excellent movie. i was pretty impressed actually, particularly when i considered how cleverly they got around the fact that it's an extremely complex crichton novel, and the ways in which they explained the concepts in such an economical way.

The whole "Mosquito stuck in tree sap combined with the DNA of a frog to make clone-able embryos" is probably the greatest piece of BS science ever seen in a Hollywood movie. It just makes so much sense. They explain it in that 2 minute little Mr DNA cartoon, and then it's off to the dino park! Brilliant.
 
Dead Man Typing said:
The whole "Mosquito stuck in tree sap combined with the DNA of a frog to make clone-able embryos" is probably the greatest piece of BS science ever seen in a Hollywood movie. It just makes so much sense. They explain it in that 2 minute little Mr DNA cartoon, and then it's off to the dino park! Brilliant.
The whacky thing is the frog DNA is a big part of the mystery in the book. The movie gets it out of the way with a cartoon.

The book is still better though.
 
MrHicks said:
i really wanna see a modern dinosaur movie updated with the feathered look we now know raptors etc looked like

JP quality dinos but like THAT hehe
I don't think all dinosaurs had feathers

The same way not all mammals have fur or hair
example: rhinocerous or hippo
 
Goddamn this film is good. Haven't seen it in YEARS!
I remember seeing it and the cinema and now mental it was, strangely the only one the freaked me out was the spitting one (cant think of its name) and all the cool merchandise they had but if it came out in 93 I must have been about 6 :lol
Also seen the Triceratops up close at Universal studios and it looks bloody impressive.
 
Willy105 said:
I will defend The Lost World here to the death.

To all The Lost World haters, I disagree.

How anyone could hate The Lost World with Jurassic Park 3 being in existence is beyond me.

I for one am with you.
Lost World is awesome, and just slightly under JP1.

JP3, i dont really like. But i will watch it again, when its its in HD.
 
szhred said:
I for one am with you.
Lost World is awesome, and just slightly under JP1.

JP3, i dont really like. But i will watch it again, when its its in HD.
Lost World is certainly awesome to look at, but the plot about how they could get a dinosaur to San Diego (or any major metropolitan area) was way too lame for me to appreciate.

EDIT: Oh and people got eaten too which was the other main plot point.
 
JGS said:
Lost World is certainly awesome to look at, but the plot about how they could get a dinosaur to San Diego (or any major metropolitan area) was way too lame for me to appreciate.

EDIT: Oh and people got eaten too which was the other main plot point.

I don't see how it was lame. That sounds pretty awesome, even if it was a twist at the end.

The plot of the movie was one side protecting the dinosaur while the other side were hunting them, while at the same time the dinos hunting both of them.

It was a fun story.
 
Willy105 said:
I don't see how it was lame. That sounds pretty awesome, even if it was a twist at the end.

The plot of the movie was one side protecting the dinosaur while the other side were hunting them, while at the same time the dinos hunting both of them.

It was a fun story.
It does sound interesting for a pitch: "It's like Jurassic Park - but in California!!"

However, they spent too little time there and the whole set-up prior to it was too lame to support the end premise which is why you have phantom dinosaurs killing crew in narrow hallways.

It was not even remotely a perfect movie, but King Kong does the monster introduced to civilization better.

To me, the movie was like a collage of best scenes (& particular scenes were indeed fantastic) that they tried to stitch a story around.

Spielberg was interviewed by Premiere magazine (I just threw away the hard copy!) about this movie and he essentially said they had to do two things.

1. They had to give a reason for someone in the first JP to go back to the Island.
2. They had to get a dinosaur to civilization. He did not want another director to have that privilege.

His movie showed those were his goals. Nothing more imo.
 
T-Rex and other big dinosaurs were most likely not covered with feathers.
It's the same deal as with big mammals like elephant's and hippo's.
Their own big body produces much more heat than smaller animals.
Their skin can also absorb more sunlight because they are just so big.
And last but not least; the cretaceous-era was extremely hot, having too many feathers all over his body would have caused the T-Rex' blood circulation to overheat and collapse.
 
Willy105 said:
I don't see how it was lame.

I thought it was pretty fucking lame how the T-Rex was somehow locked in the ship's cargo bay the entire trip, and yet somehow it apparently got out during the trip, killed everyone on board (including the ship's pilot, who was killed inside an enclosure too small for even the T-Rex's head to enter without destroying it), and then got back into the ship's hold and closed the doors.

Granted, that was due to cuts made to the movie that removed the convenient raptor pack that stowed away on the same boat, but you'll notice they didn't bother explaining it away or even covering it up in the final cut of the film. Why? My theory is that everyone involved knew The Lost World was a pile of shit (and it was) and instead of trying to deny the obvious truth, they just decided to fan the stench as hard as they could, having wasted so much time and money on it up until that point.
 
Night_Trekker said:
I thought it was pretty fucking lame how the T-Rex was somehow locked in the ship's cargo bay the entire trip, and yet somehow it apparently got out during the trip, killed everyone on board (including the ship's pilot, who was killed inside an enclosure too small for even the T-Rex's head to enter without destroying it), and then go back into the ship's hold and closed the doors.

Granted, that was due to cuts made to the movie that removed the convenient raptor pack that stowed away on the same boat, but you'll notice they didn't bother explaining it away or even covering it up in the final cut of the film. Why? My theory is that everyone involved knew The Lost World was a pile of shit (and it was) and instead of trying to deny the obvious truth, they just decided to fan the stench as hard as they could, having wasted so much time and money on it up until that point.

Plus, did no one in the city own a gun?
 
Gilby said:
Plus, did no one in the city own a gun?
Or possess a brain.

They went out of their way to protect the dinosaur- beyond realism. A mother anything would have been blown to bits even if they made it to the boat after eating someone.

The Island was even worse, because an activist good guy actually went out of his way to free dinosaurs at the possible expense of human lives when they weren't even going to kill the [fake] dinos anyway.

The camp was run by an expert hunter but was not prepared to handle killers on an Island swarming with them. Nearly everyone (I liked the West Wing guy) acted like idiots, from the doctors, to the mathmatician, to the hunters, & even the citizens of San Diego.

At least JP3 made sense from a survival standpoint and everyone at least relaized what kind of trouble they were in. The best scene was when they first landed and almost immeditately realized this was not the best idea!
 
JGS said:
However, they spent too little time there and the whole set-up prior to it was too lame to support the end premise
The problem with the book is it still had the lame, but was missing the movie's end premise. :lol
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
The problem with the book is it still had the lame, but was missing the movie's end premise. :lol


The book was just one giant mess that Critchton didn't really want to write. And then the movie changes every character (cutting a main one), and only keeps one scene from the book (T-Rex pushing trailers over cliff)
 
DrForester said:
The book was just one giant mess that Critchton didn't really want to write. And then the movie changes every character (cutting a main one), and only keeps one scene from the book (T-Rex pushing trailers over cliff)
Well, The Lost World seemed like a continuation of the first book, such as the intro scene and the T-Rex tongue thing. Was Malcolm in Lost World the book since I'm pretty sure
he died
?
 
First book is about attempting to control nature and failing. Second book lacks a Crichton-esque message, but has some nifty stuff on behavioural ecology.
 
JGS said:
Well, The Lost World seemed like a continuation of the first book, such as the intro scene and the T-Rex tongue thing. Was Malcolm in Lost World the book since I'm pretty sure
he died
?


Yeah, the movie people liked Jeff Goldblum so they made Critchton retecon Malcolm's death in the books.
 
In the first book Malcolm was a speakerbox for Crichton and probably shared equal time with Grant. Second book is all about the Malcolm.

Oh, and Crichton very clumsily tried to turn Malcolm into a Palaeontologist in the second book.
 
Shick Brithouse said:
Isn't Jurassic Park 4 still in development? I having heard much about it in a long time.

I agree though. JP holds up very well by today standards.
I would watch. Story in both 2 and 3 left a whole lot to be desired, but I am such a sucker for dinos that I still found enjoyment in both.
 
Bump again, it's on TNT, watching it again, so if any GAFfers interested go look for it

Once again TNT(HD) channel 703 for TWC NYC Queens lol
 
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