Why does Zack Snyder Keep getting work?

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He made some good movies.
Dawn of the dead watchmen and 300
He made some ok movies .
owl movie and Mos

He has made one stinker that is sucker punch. Also he is a great visual director . There is a reason why smallvile fight and birth of doctor Manhattan is mentioned in every cbm movie thread.
Not only that he started the running zombie thing with DOTD.
Last but not least 300 is one of the most quotable movie of the last decade.

But i do agree that after BvS he should step down as director and try to make some small budget action movie sso that he can get his groove back.
 
Running zombies suck. Thank goodness The Walking Dead has brought the zombie genre back to its roots after Snyder ruined it.
 
He's totally mediocre and a one trick pony. Dudes movies have no substance and if they're supposed to he makes a jumbled mess of them.

One true BO hit which was 300... otherwise pretty poor.
 
In a world where Colin Treverrow somehow gets to make sequels to two of the biggest franchises of all time, anything is possible
if you're a white guy with connections.
 
JaggedSac said:
Wait, people don't like MoS? News to me.
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His name is certainly not in the same league it used to be. I enjoyed 300 and Watchmen, but then he just started to make trash movies (I know those two aren't exactly great themselves, but they're at least fun). I'm not even interested in seeing BvS, even though morbid curiosity will eventually get the better of me like it did with Robocop, and I certainly don't get excited seeing his name attached to projects. Kindof a death sentence these days.
 
His movies make for great trailers... watchmen is a great example. That movie did well opening weekend and that was due to casuals being interested as well then it proceeded to drop 60% 4 weeks in a row due to how poorly it was recieved.
 
I liked Dawn of the Dead and 300. They meshed with his aggro bro directorial sensibilities. There's room for these types of films.

It's the fucking superheroes that made him into a monster. He's wrong for them.

Superheroes are all earnest and uplifting fables. All of them. People go on about how dark Batman is... but no: he's a very idealistic and hopeful image of a good guy putting on a silly costume and trying to do the right thing. There's something inherently "aw shucks" about all superheroes, and if you don't honour that sentiment in some way (as the Marvel movies certainly do), the tone is going to feel wrong.

When Zack Snyder's aggressive, cynical and sneering bombast meets the archetype of the superhero, the result is tonally bizarre. But because he's a comic fanboy, he's attached his career to these superheroes (or superhero-like stories: i.e. Sucker Punch), and he's thereby committed himself to making these tonally awkward movies.

Give him a movie about people who are supposed to be aggro douchebags (American crime stories?) and I think you'd find that his tone makes sense.

WB made a big mistake giving him the keys to the DC kingdom. It is an inherent mismatch in attitude between the sentiment that the director wants to create, and the sentiment that DC represents.
 
Re-watched MoS the other day and was thinking about how the first hour alone was a greater attempt at depth in it's hero that anything on the Marvel side since Tony Stark was stuck in a cave.
 
blackw0lf said:
The writer of BvS though wrote Argo, which is a fantastic screenplay. So it's a bit of a mystery why the script for this supposedly stinks (haven't seen it)
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WB signed affleck on the condition he bring in his friend to salvage goyer's original script.

To say it was totally written by him isn't totally fair. He had to work with the pieces he was given.
 
RBelong2Us said:
His movies make for great trailers... watchmen is a great example. That movie did well opening weekend and that was due to casuals being interested as well then it proceeded to drop 60% 4 weeks in a row due to how poorly it was recieved.
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I read Watchmen long before the movie came out, loved it, and very much enjoyed the movie adaptation. I thought it was faithful to the comic, almost to a fault (minus the ending which was a change I was fine with). The whole "casuals love his movies" thing is tired. I feel like Watchmen and MoS get so much hate that they don't necessarily deserve. I mean, sure you can criticize but I feel like those 2 movies in particular draw a ton of hate from fans that I don't personally think they deserve.
 
Sucker Punch seems to be wilfully misunderstood by a lot of people; I can't speak to how much of that is down to the MPAA cuts on the theatrical release, but the extended cut on the Blu-Ray is in my opinion pretty damn good.

Its probably a bit too tricksy a narrative for its own good, hell most people don't seem to understand who the real protagonist is, but when all's said and done its got enough fans to give it a 6.1 on IMDB.

That's not the rating of a bad movie 5 years on from release, and much like (fellow internet-hate-magnet Paul Anderson's) Event Horizon did, I suspect it'll continue to rise over time as more people discover the movie.
 
Clear said:
Sucker Punch seems to be wilfully misunderstood by a lot of people; I can't speak to how much of that is down to the MPAA cuts on the theatrical release, but the extended cut on the Blu-Ray is in my opinion pretty damn good.

Its probably a bit too tricksy a narrative for its own good, hell most people don't seem to understand who the real protagonist is, but when all's said and done its got enough fans to give it a 6.1 on IMDB.

That's not the rating of a bad movie 5 years on from release, and much like (fellow internet-hate-magnet Paul Anderson's) Event Horizon did, I suspect it'll continue to rise over time as more people discover the movie.
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What are you talking about, 6.1 is awful for imdb. I'm an unabashed Speed Racer fanboy, I have no trouble accepting that its imdb score (also 6.1) is woefully low.
 
RBelong2Us said:
His movies make for great trailers... watchmen is a great example. That movie did well opening weekend and that was due to casuals being interested as well then it proceeded to drop 60% 4 weeks in a row due to how poorly it was recieved.
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The opening credit montage was the best thing about his Watchmen.
 
IIRC Sucker Punch actually had it's IMDB rating go UP a since it's release, it used to be in the high 5s and is now at 6.1

Don't see that happen too often.

Its not a good rating at all, but it shows it gained a small following since release Id wager.
 
Dead said:
IIRC Sucker Punch actually had it's IMDB rating go UP a since it's release, it used to be in the high 5s and is now at 6.1

Don't see that happen too often.

Its not a good rating at all, but it shows it gained a small following since release Id wager.
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It happened with Titanic (it moved like a full point over the years), and also Speed Racer! lol.
 
Titanic makes sense since you had the re-release so people who saw it for the first time rated it highly and all the dumb fanboys who rated it low for reasons have since moved on

Speed Racer makes sense as it's like Sucker Punch, a movie that found more of a following on home video
 
Tobor said:
Whedon makes good movies. We know why he gets work. The question is why does Snyder get work?

If Snyder could make movies on par with Joss Whedon, no one would ask this question.
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Whedon has had two big successful movies at box office. Snyder has put out alot more successful films than Whedon. It doesn't matter who makes better movies.
 
Corpsepyre said:
He makes entertaining films. I enjoyed Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen, Man of Steel and BvS. Even that Owl flick was interesting. Watchmen is his best film to date, in my opinion. He's NOT the best film-maker by any means. He's a great visual director, but he's not a strong storyteller. However, he's made Hollywood money, and I totally get why he's still in the biz.
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Basically this. The only movie I didn't like from him was Sucker Punch (and even that one is interesting as an experiment).
 
I love his movies :D
You dont have to watch them if you dont like them :D

I hate Uwe Boll but you know what? I dont watch his movies.

But hey dude should not get work cause someone does not like his movies ? okey then.
 
Clear said:
Sucker Punch seems to be wilfully misunderstood by a lot of people; I can't speak to how much of that is down to the MPAA cuts on the theatrical release, but the extended cut on the Blu-Ray is in my opinion pretty damn good.

Its probably a bit too tricksy a narrative for its own good, hell most people don't seem to understand who the real protagonist is, but when all's said and done its got enough fans to give it a 6.1 on IMDB.

That's not the rating of a bad movie 5 years on from release, and much like (fellow internet-hate-magnet Paul Anderson's) Event Horizon did, I suspect it'll continue to rise over time as more people discover the movie.
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It has the same problem as his other films: tonal dissonance.

Is it supposed to be an uplifting empowerment fantasy movie or a dark and dour rumination on oppression? It's both!

I don't think people say that movie is bad because it's incompetent, I think they say it makes them feel bad because it's incredibly uncomfortable. People aren't sure what emotions they should be feeling when watching that movie (excited? creeped out? uplifted? depressed?), and they reject it.

It's like a cocktails of flavours that don't taste well together.
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
You need to understand that your enjoyment for a director and his movies does not equate to quality. They are not one and the same.

A better phrasing would be "I don't know whether he makes good movies or not, but I find myself enjoying them." There is nothing wrong with that. Saying he makes good movies is off the charts
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lol, you're off the charts.
 
BocoDragon said:
It has the same problem as his other films: tonal dissonance.

Is it supposed to be an uplifting empowerment fantasy movie or a dark and dour rumination on oppression? It's both!

I don't think people say that movie is bad because it's incompetent, I think they say it makes them feel bad because it's incredibly uncomfortable. People aren't sure what emotions they should be feeling when watching that movie (excited? creeped out? uplifted? depressed?), and they reject it.

It's like a cocktails of flavours that don't taste well together.
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Ehh I think the tone was consistent. It's dark from start to end.

It's a fucked up dark twisted fantasy. A girl finds happiness in lobotomy.

You can read into it whatever you want honestly, Snyder says it's one thing, and that is probably what it is but others feel differently and you can see why. Its not so much the tonal dissonance but the narrative, setting, etc.

Worth noting it was originally a musical. Either way, it's a curious if not fascinating mess of a movie. Certainly not good lol, but I don't think any movie in the past few years has laid bare a director's inner brain as much as it did.
 
I think he makes great movies and I really like them. I really liked BvS, can't complain, but man some people here are just hating everything he did.
 
BocoDragon said:
It has the same problem as his other films: tonal dissonance.

Is it supposed to be an uplifting empowerment fantasy movie or a dark and dour rumination on oppression? It's both!

I don't think people say that movie is bad because it's incompetent, I think they say it makes them feel bad because it's incredibly uncomfortable. People aren't sure what emotions they should be feeling when watching that movie (excited? creeped out? uplifted? depressed?), and they reject it.

It's like a cocktails of flavours that don't taste well together.
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Well put.
 
Dead said:
Ehh I think the tone was consistent. It's dark from start to end.

It's a fucked up dark twisted fantasy. A girl finds happiness in lobotomy.

You can read into it whatever you want honestly, Snyder says it's one thing, and that is probably what it is but others feel differently and you can see why. Its not so much the tonal dissonance but the narrative, setting, etc.

Worth noting it was originally a musical.
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I actually knew that, because my friend worked on it.

I don't think the musical numbers would have changed what I describe as the tone inconsistency. And I think the studio (or whoever) asked them to be cut in a last-ditch effort to try to correct that tone.

I can only speak for myself. The movie made me uncomfortable on a visceral level. I loved the imagery of those dream action sequences... but it's too bad they were framed in such a way that their outcome was useless in the impact on the real world in the film. Snyder should have exercised his fetish for this imagery (which I understand) with a better framing device. Something like Inception where we really know the stakes are high in the dream, specifically impacting the real world.
 
Well because a few of his movies made money and Warner Bros aren't the best at managing talent. It's like make one good movie and you're set fir life their.
 
BocoDragon said:
It has the same problem as his other films: tonal dissonance.

Is it supposed to be an uplifting empowerment fantasy movie or a dark and dour rumination on oppression? It's both!

I don't think people say that movie is bad because it's incompetent, I think they say it makes them feel bad because it's incredibly uncomfortable. People aren't sure what emotions they should be feeling when watching that movie (excited? creeped out? uplifted? depressed?), and they reject it.

It's like a cocktails of flavours that don't taste well together.
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I think this is the basin reason watchmen was not a Big box office success or had critical acclaim
 
Now I still believe Snyder is a good director. He made that dawn of the dead movie. If he can make a that movie i am sure he has talent. But lately he keeps making these badly written, slow motion spamming, bad CGI movies. I really hope he gets to make a good movie like Dawn of the Dead again.
 
I remember reading that the movie originally ended on a musical performance of all the girls coming back to life and singing the song "Ooh Child" ending with the curtain close, and that was Snyder's preferred ending

I mean, what the fuck lol
 
He makes money making movies. Thats pretty much it. He has damn good eye for visuals though.
He is pretty much the Michael Bay of WB.
 
Zack Snyder makes some damn entertaining films, especially in terms of action. You can count on his movies to at least be beautiful and fun to watch even if the rest is awful.

Then Batman vs Superman happened.Holy shit. No idea what happened, but the movie didn't even look good. And the action was sub-par. I don't know what the hell happened.
 
Fezan said:
I think this is the basin reason watchmen was not a Big box office success or had critical acclaim
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Yup.. it's very similar.

Watchmen has a tone problem: a weird combination of sentimentality and aggressive machismo action.

Man of Steel has a tone problem: an idealistic superhero played as if it's a gritty melodrama.

You don't go wildly recommending these films to people, because there's something kind of "uncanny" about the experience.

That's why I say it's a simple result of the material not being suited for the basic sentiments of the director.
 
I can't stand the people here that think they shouldn't be questioned for thinking his films are great even though they review poorly yet will call people that dislike his movies , "haters".
 
jett said:
What are you talking about, 6.1 is awful for imdb. I'm an unabashed Speed Racer fanboy, I have no trouble accepting that its imdb score (also 6.1) is woefully low.
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Its not The Room (3.5) is it? Its not Plan 9 From Outer Space (4.0), or more pertinently I guess, Batman and Robin (3.7).

Those are the sort of scores you get when there is a consensus view that your movie sucks. Middling scores just prove its got a mixed reception.

For the record, I liked Speed Racer myself. I honestly expected to hate it based on the trailers, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Sure, some movies I think are garbage have higher scores, but so what? Is there a problem that I'm not perfectly in-sync with mass opinion?
 
BocoDragon said:
It has the same problem as his other films: tonal dissonance.

Is it supposed to be an uplifting empowerment fantasy movie or a dark and dour rumination on oppression? It's both!

I don't think people say that movie is bad because it's incompetent, I think they say it makes them feel bad because it's incredibly uncomfortable. People aren't sure what emotions they should be feeling when watching that movie (excited? creeped out? uplifted? depressed?), and they reject it.

It's like a cocktails of flavours that don't taste well together.
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This about sums things up about how I feel about his movies.
 
He makes the best action scenes currently, some of his angles are straight outta anime shit, and i think that the "Smallville" fight scene in MoS is the best one from the superheroes genre.
Dunno whats the hate, 300 was great, so was that " of the dead" rameka and I think the only thing he got wrong with Watchman was the Ozzymandias casting, the rest was perfect, doubt someone could come up with a better movie based on the source.
 
UnemployedVillain said:
Same reason Michael Bay keeps getting work, but I think these Hollywood folk mistake the bankability of the franchises they helm for the bankability of the directors.

But at least Bay has had Bad Boys 2, The Rock and Pain & Gain as good movies
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Ok... I love Bad Boys 2... but now i hear all these people talking so much shit about BvS and going by Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic as part of the argument...

BAD BOYS 2 HAS A 23% RATING. You are saying Bad Boys 2 is a good movie and BvS is shit... Opinions like this make me think I will actually enjoy BvS. Thanks for returning the hype.
 
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