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[KRod-57]

This election we are seeing the two most disliked nominees in our history. While people seem to have a general understanding of why Trump is so disliked, it is commonly asked why so many people dislike Hillary Clinton.

Here are my reasons for why I do not like Hillary Clinton as a presidential candidate (note, I find her to be an okay candidate on domestic issues, but when it comes to the role of commander and chief, her record on foreign policy and national security is is abysmal)


She supported regime change in Iraq, voting in favor of the Iraq war
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237

She voted for the patriot act twice, and continues to defend unwarranted national surveillance
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s29

She voted to recognize Iran's revolutionary guard as a terrorist organization, effectively giving then president Bush the authority to expand the war on terror into that country
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ote-on-iran-resolution-shows-flawed-judgment/

She supported regime change in Libya, which includes the killing of prominent tribal leaders, and the destabilization of that region
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/03/libya-is-obamas-biggest-regret-and-hillarys-biggest-threat/

As secretary of state she suggested the US give a "green light" for an Israeli air strike on Iran's nuclear facilities
http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/1...ed-u-s-approval-of-an-israeli-strike-on-iran/

As secretary of state she pushed for the failed troop surge in Afghanistan (VP Joe Biden opposed the surge), which lead to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th deadliest years of that war
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...en-versus-hillary-clinton-20150903-story.html

She condoned a military coup in Honduras that ousted an elected leader
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/13/hear_hillary_clinton_defend_her_role


When the UN voted on the mere recognition of Palestine's existence (not to become a UN member), she called the decision "unfortunate and counter productive" and then has the audacity to claim she's for a two state solution.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/polit...erproductive-un-palestinian-resolution-150685

She pushed for regime change in Syria (as if the blunders in Iraq and Libya are not enough) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-17578802[
]http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/12/hillary-clintons-insane-plan-for-a-no-fly-zone.htm

and her desire to establish a no fly zone over Syria is a significant difference between her and the Obama administration. Obama is against the no fly zone, and people from within his administration have gave warning of the dangers of a no fly zone over Syria http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/axelrod-axe-files-ben-rhodes-syria/ The purpose of a no fly zone is not to fight ISIS, because ISIS has no air force. To enforce a no fly zone, we're talking about shooting down Syrian and possibly Russian jets who refuse to comply. Hillary had this to say about the no fly zone

"To have a no-fly zone you have to take out all of the air defense, many of which are located in populated areas. So our missiles, even if they are standoff missiles so we’re not putting our pilots at risk—you’re going to kill a lot of Syrians. So all of a sudden this intervention that people talk about so glibly becomes an American and NATO involvement where you take a lot of civilians”


At virtually every given opportunity to make a decision on foreign policy and national security, Hillary has chosen the more aggressive rout. At best she is the lesser of two evils, but she is by no means a good candidate

 

[ponpo]

A Sam Harris and Andrew Sullivan podcast just happened on this topic. Decent listen if you have 2 hours to spare.

 

[Flying Toaster]

Good points but look at the alternative.

The Democratic party since McGovern has been more moderate slightly right.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Don't forget her pro-censorship stance when the GTA hot coffee thing happened.

 

[Yaboosh]

People are less apt to criticize her as a candidate around here because they are so terrified of a trump presidency.

Once she is elected i think you will see a big change of tone in threads discussing her and her potential presidency.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Definitely a step-down from Obama. It sucks, but what can you do. The alternative is worse.

 

[USC-fan]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

 

[q1dm4]

People are less apt to criticize her as a candidate around here because they are so terrified of a trump presidency.

Once she is elected i think you will see a big change of tone in threads discussing her and her potential presidency.

Hope so. Not betting on it

 

[Poltergust]

I definitely agree that Hillary's weakest aspect is her questionable foreign policy decisions.

However, she's still much better than her opponent in that regard. It would be a critical blow to her if the Republicans had put up a nominee that had any semblance of reasonable foreign policy. Unfortunately for them, they really blew that chance.

 

[xxracerxx]

People are less apt to criticize her as a candidate around here because they are so terrified of a trump presidency.

Once she is elected i think you will see a big change of tone in threads discussing her and her potential presidency.

Or you could just go back to the primaries.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

That's a really good way to make your vote absolutely pointless.

Also Bernie would've been a shitty president imo. He has demonstrated an absolutely awful grasp on policy and how to get anything done. Just having nice goals is useless if you don't have an effective method for achieving them

 

[Aylinato]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

And risk trump? Holy shit man you are insane to risk people's lives over a trivial matter.

 

[Affeinvasion]

Welcome to a world where people who have even a slight liberal lean on social issues are branded as bleeding hearts.

 

[Moppeh]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

Wow. What a hero.

 

[Poltergust]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

He doesn't want your vote.

 

[Schlorgan]

Write in John Cena;

Spoiler

they won't see him coming.

 

[Zee-Row]

Don't forget her pro-censorship stance when the GTA hot coffee thing happened.

I thought that was Tipper Gore?

 

[Gnome]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

Might as well write in your own name at that point.

 

[MIMIC]

I keep forgetting about the Patriot Act thing. Even as a huge Obama supporter, that always something that really bothered me about him.

 

[xxracerxx]

He doesn't want your vote.

Exactly, Sanders wants people to vote for Clinton...even if they are in the reddest of the red states.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Yeah, those are my reasons too. I'm not American though so it doesn't matter and if I was I'd be voting for her.

 

[Flying Toaster]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

I am in Arizona we might flip screw that mentally.

 

[msdstc]

I definitely agree that Hillary's weakest aspect is her questionable foreign policy decisions.

However, she's still much better than her opponent in that regard. It would be a critical blow to her if the Republicans had put up a nominee that had any semblance of reasonable foreign policy. Unfortunately for them, they really blew that chance.

What bothers me is that we know Trump is awful, but I don't see why that should dismiss criticism of Hilary whatsoever. Her relationship with Kissinger shows in her track record.

 

[ThLunarian]

Those are actually fine reasons not to like her as a candidate. It's a more coherent argument than most anti-Hillary folks can muster.

It doesn't make her a bad candidate though; it just means she's not the right one for you. And that's okay.

 

[minor effort]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

Bernie's made it abundantly clear how he'd like his supporters to vote. If no listed candidate is acceptable to you, why not write-in anyone else other than Bernie? It seems like kind of backhanded support for him at best.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

I am an African american male, y cousin almost a year ago had her first child with a muslim man, I teach a multitude of very young students with varying ethnicities, stop risking the future of my family and my students because you can't be mature enough to look past yourself.



Sincerely, a very concerned teacher and loving member of a loving family, Thank you.

 

[PAULINK]

I'd rather vote for mccain again, bring back mccain.

 

[Kerned]

I'm not crazy about Hilary, but Trump is crazy and dangerous. The choice is clear.

 

[The Sum of Zero]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

I mean, it's your right and you do you, but people that do this are throwing what I like to call an electoral hissy fit.

 

[Javaman]

There's something seriously wrong with the selection system in this country if these lousy candidates are what we have to choose from. It's a shame that there's no strong 3rd party this term. He/she would have had a much better chance than any other had in a long time.

 

[Aaronrules380]

What bothers me is that we know Trump is awful, but I don't see why that should dismiss criticism of Hilary whatsoever. Her relationship with Kissinger shows in her track record.

Nobody is saying we should dismiss all Hilary criticism. But most people don't give legitimate criticism, they just regurgitate propaganda and emails and optics and shit like that. Hilary isn't perfect. No candidate is.

 

[jerry113]

unless you're in a swing state, your vote for the president doesn't matter that much

 

[gutter_trash]

http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/michael-moore-s-appeal-to-trump-s-voter-base-794422851949

Michael Moore's take and his love for her on the Public Option attempt from 1993

for you OP

 

[Gaogaogao]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

you might as well write in Waluigi

 

[God Dayumm]

I will wait and see how her presidency pans out. But she deserves to be criticized for even a minor fuck up during her presidency, so she better be flawless

 

[Cheebo]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

You are worse than Trump supporters, because you should know better. Bernie would punch you in the face for being a complete idiot if you told him this to his face.

Bernie wants Hillary president. Badly.

 

[Piggus]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

So you're doing what Bernie said not to do.

Okay.

 

[Skellig Gra]

I thought that was Tipper Gore?

Nope
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Entertainment_Protection_Act

 

[mlclmtckr]

Your problems with Hillary are legitimate but they also definitely applied to Obama and would apply to Trump. Killing brown people with robot planes is kind of just what America does this century.

 

[Gnome]

What bothers me is that we know Trump is awful, but I don't see why that should dismiss criticism of Hilary whatsoever. Her relationship with Kissinger shows in her track record.

Well there's only two choices, and one is clearly better than the other, in every single aspect. It's not so much a dismissal as much as it truly not mattering given the context of the election.

 

[USC-fan]

That's a really good way to make your vote absolutely pointless.

Also Bernie would've been a shitty president imo. He has demonstrated an absolutely awful grasp on policy and how to get anything done. Just having nice goals is useless if you don't have an effective method for achieving them

compare to these people running now?

I'll take my chance with him. before it was he can never win. Now well he wouldnt have gotten anything done. One thing he could do by himself was legalized weed. Help end the war on drugs.

 

[commedieu]

Might as well write in your own name at that point.

That's my plan.

 

[BoosterDuck]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

Bernie didn't know what he was doing, get over it

and we're already heading towards the best solution which is appointing Bernie as the Budget Secretary

Hope so. Not betting on it

same thing happened to Obama you haven't been here long enough lol

 

[Poltergust]

What bothers me is that we know Trump is awful, but I don't see why that should dismiss criticism of Hilary whatsoever. Her relationship with Kissinger shows in her track record.

Because, for now, you need to look at it in the context of this election cycle.

She has some bad foreign policy? Yes.
Is her foreign policy worse than her opponent's? Not in a million years.

Like I mentioned earlier, Trump basically destroyed any opportunities to attack Clinton on her past foreign policy decisions, because everything Trump has proposed or said is far worse. Even Cruz could have come out ahead of Clinton in that topic.

 

[Engell]

Yeah you can disagree with some choices/opinions she had/have. But it is not like she made any of those things happen by herself, they require broad political consensus.

Also Trump is basically satan, he just had a russian nuke missile named after him. The Satan 2.

Spoiler

it's a joke

So vote for Hillary, because she is definitely a better candidate than satan.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Bernie's made it abundantly clear how he'd like his supporters to vote. If no listed candidate is acceptable to you, why not write-in anyone else other than Bernie? It seems like kind of backhanded support for him at best.

Honestly voting for someone not on the ballot is pointless in every sense of the word. It doesn't even really work as a protest vote because it's so small and irrelevant compared to the voting population that nobody will even notice. I mean, it's within anyone's rights to do it, but it's still effectively the same as not voting

 

[Alucrid]

There's something seriously wrong with the selection system in this country if these lousy candidates are what we have to choose from. It's a shame that there's no strong 3rd party this term. He/she would have had a much better chance than any other had in a long time.

no they wouldn't

 

[SaganIsGOAT]

Write in bernie.

That is my plan.

After everything Bernie has said about NOT writing him in and instead voting for Hillary this is how I see yall

 

[Korigama]

Definitely a step-down from Obama. It sucks, but what can you do. The alternative is worse.

Not in regards to privacy rights though, where both fall short. I don't consider him a bad President or her a bad candidate, but still not something that I gloss over.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Her foreign policy does have good marks, though, particularly when she at the center of the talks between the US and Russia (which was fine until Putin started all his power plays), as well as the Iran nuclear deal (which is, generally, considered a good thing from most who aren't Israel and right-wing Americans). I also think both Libya and the Honduras are fairly complicated matters, and I don't know if just trying to sum them up in 'Hillary is bad' bullet points does them justice, especially he Honduras situation. So yeah, there's legitimate criticism, but it is disingenuous to paint all of her foreign policy activity as totally bad as well, I think.