First post pretty much says it all.... I love sports as much as the next guy but this is a wedding anniversary...
Why I'm Making My Husband Miss The Super Bowl
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First post pretty much says it all.... I love sports as much as the next guy but this is a wedding anniversary...
aggro crag
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I'm a bit annoyed that people can't relate. It's just sports. To the people that are suggesting the dude just DVR it, tell me about an event that you couldn't possibly miss. And then tell me what you might feel possibly having to miss it every year for the rest of your life.
I'm not missing the Super Bowl, but I know how this dude might feel. I gotta miss EVO 2012 for a wedding and it's killing me. I can't DVR that shit. I hang with my friend who's getting married every week for lunch, and I still can't forgive him for this shit.
P.S. She rooted against his team? That's messed up.
I'm not missing the Super Bowl, but I know how this dude might feel. I gotta miss EVO 2012 for a wedding and it's killing me. I can't DVR that shit. I hang with my friend who's getting married every week for lunch, and I still can't forgive him for this shit.
P.S. She rooted against his team? That's messed up.
I can see why people enjoy sports so much. I love watching soccer/football myself. But there's one thing that makes me take sports less seriously and not freak out as much if my team loses - corruption. Whether you want to believe or not, there is corruption/max fixing in every single sport league. Regardless of the sport or country.
Biff
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She sounds like a gem.
Wtf. She just completely lost her argument. Either she's exaggerating her boyfriend's lowly position, or this is a serious threat to their financial well-being. Making a football sports photographer miss the superbowl is like making a tech blogger miss CES. That's where a huge portion of their traffic and revenue comes from :/
But not to worry, I'm sure writing for Huffington Post means she's the breadwinner in the marriage.
BronzeWolf
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Yeah I think immigration is a terrible problem too
faceless007
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This comparison really doesn't do your argument any favors, since a lot of people here find tribalism just as silly.
Okay. Why is that? Can you provide a reasonable argument for this?
I'm definitely not above being passionate about trivial and silly things -- I have explicitly admitted in this very thread, on repeated occasions, that I enjoy both video games and baseball, as two simple examples.
The problem is not enjoying trivial things; the problem is infusing those things with value beyond their actual status. I agree, I thought most others would also recognize the triviality of sports (and video games and shoe fashion and TV etc.) but based on this thread and others, I was clearly wrong.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
If the wife or husband is scheduling an anniversary dinner during a scheduled raid, I'm assuming there's more wrong with their marriage than right. As stupid as it sounds to me, I've found most people that big into a MMOs either have shit marriages or play them together. If one or the other wanted them to opt out of a scheduled raid to go to dinner without the MMO player being the one who scheduled it, there isn't much to save that marriage... it's doomed.
..but yeah, it's equivalent to the OP situation. It's a scheduled, preset event.
brucewaynegretzky
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I think if we're going by this standard you're not going to be able to find value in ANYTHING behind personally derived value. Hell even "relationships" are inherently worthless aside from the emotional assurance we get from them.
dream
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I think you're looking at this from too shallow of a perspective. People find value in things they enjoy. Saying video games and sports are "silly and objectively meaningless" is an incredibly reductive way of looking at things.
brucewaynegretzky
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Why does the wedding anniversary need to be celebrated DURING the game, which ALSO can't be rescheduled?
Herpes Reasons
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sports is just another form of entertainment.
to call it meaningless denies the basic carnal instincts of men to prove their worth/manhood.
if its not sports, it will be something else competitive. like videogames, or watching grass grow.
cuevas. PhD.
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:jnc
Angry Fork
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I don't even care for sports that much and think the superbowl is more important than a wedding anniversary. You can just have the damn anniversary the next day, some night out at a restaurant doesn't compare to the feeling of watching such an important game live. Fans wait the entire year for the superbowl to come why would you rob that of someone? Husband is an idiot for agreeing to it as well.
That's not true. I've used these examples repeatedly already, but science based medicine works whether you happen to care about it or not. Satellites work whether you happen to understand special relatively or not. Antibiotic resistances affect you whether you happen to care about (or believe in) evolution, and so forth.
because this woman wants to know she's more important to him than a sports team or game. her own insecurity?
SteveWinwood
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I agree with this. I really enjoy baseball and have a lot of friends who do as well (many of them get paid to write about the sport). During college we would always try to go to the college world series for a few days and we had a blast. I thought it was because of the baseball.
Last summer none of us could really go. It sucked but oh well, we had other stuff in our lives now. I tried to watch some of the games on espn 2. Around the second game of the first day I turned the tv off and realized it wasn't the baseball at all. It was the fun of the road trip (the only time I've been excited to go to nebraska), eating hot dogs, waiting in line, it was all that and being with friends. Even when the games would be rained out we'd entertain ourselves singing milli vanilli in the stands soaking wet. The sports part was just a medium. It was HOW I got fun, not the reason of it.
The enjoyment out of sports is different. The feeling of rooting for your team is much stronger than simply enjoying a hobby because it may be fun. The success of sports in general, and the enormous amount of viewers for things like the Super Bowl and the world cup proves this. They have freaking parades in the cities that win these events. Sports are serious business.
sport is religion and tribe more so than a hobby for many
Honest answer. Even though its not meaningful in the grander scheme of life, its still meaningful to that individual. It might be what they need to get through the day, their distraction from life. It might be a way that the find motivation or ways to better themselves. It might just be fun. All of those things have a meaning that isn't great by any means, but at the same time they fulfill.
Okay... This is where we make the jump between fun and Zarathustra type shit. Fun doesn't have to be meaningful.
But the way you said it before kind of implied that because there's no greater meaning behind it (sports), there shouldn't be that much value placed in it. Which I don't agree with. Others here will post about the ins and outs and the details and their own personal stories... I'm not going to repeat that. Its a lot of good stuff about how sport has impacted them and their family. Its bigger than simple entertainment because of how the physical nature further encourages the social interaction that is so necessary for the majority of people out there.
Also, sports have been around a lot longer than shopping. I wouldn't really compare the two... I see where you're going with that and I have to disagree.
cuevas. PhD.
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Celebrating an anniversary at a certain time is just as trivial as the super bowl itself.
ProfessorMoran
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God damn it's just a wedding anniversary, it comes every year, just celebrate that shit ahead of time.
Paging captain buzzkill. Having fun is very meaningful and if watching the game is great fun then that's what it is...I don't see the need to do some serious psychoanalysis on the subject.
brucewaynegretzky
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Ok, but realistically you're talking about a very small percentage of human activity. And in the context of this thread that's still irrelevant. (Though you did admit the anniversary was equally "meaningless.")
If they're both meaningless then the only relevant measures are the values both place on each thing, and objectively whether those values are justifiable.
Absolutely, I argued this exact thing in my first in this thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34859760&postcount=251
What you think I'm bullshitting? For example, I knew a guy that coached a football team for the CFL. Sometimes he was told that he had to lose a certain game. Same thing happens in soccer or the NBA, NFL.
I think some of you forget that this is a business.
dream
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No argument here; it's a cultural thing and Go Clippers.
I just think the idea of marginalizing hobbies as "silly and objectively meaningless" is a terrible thing to do because the enjoyment one derives from these things is completely subjective. And if we take it a step further, we'd end up asking questions like why is a wedding anniversary important? It's just a day where whatever meaning it holds is merely coincidental.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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I think Opiate is just saying that sports aren't sacrosanct and that they aren't any more inherently valuable than any other hobby or activity. Not that sports can't have meaning to a specific individual, but that sports themselves are simply activities that shouldn't be placed on a higher level of significance than going out to dinner, collecting stamps, or guitar playing. It's fun to watch the Super Bowl and I'm sure this year's game will have some entertaining moments but it won't really make a huge difference in my life which team wins.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
That's exactly what this is about. She is insecure, so is forcing him to choose her over the game, and more than likely waiting for inevitable comment about the game so she can start a fight over how he likes football more than her. It's a trap, and she knows it.
Go to brunch then, spend the whole morning together, then watch the game together. This is all about her, and it shows problems with the marriage. Marriage is compromise, and there is easy compromises.
Also, the fact she wrote this article shows the agenda flat out. She's testing him, and that would piss me off as a husband.
Luckily, my wife is better than that.
RurouniZel
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BronzeWolf
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You are arguing a non-sequitour
(Using this post to respond to several of your posts Future -- sorry, I've elicited too many responses from too many people to accurately and intelligently reply to everything).
This is an argumentum ad populum: because lots of people care about it, therefore it is important. To the contrary, there are many things that many people have cared about throughout history which are not ultimately meaningful.
dream said:
I already did question the value of wedding anniversaries in my very first post; I absolutely agree that they are equally meaningless. To be specific, love and fidelity are valuable qualities, but a symbol of love and fidelity (Which is what an anniversary is) is not.
really don't see what the problem with the story is. Dude agreed to the date. If she said "we have to go out at this time or I'll divorce you" then I'd understand the beef.
as for watching sports being trivial, sure they are, but having grown up playing them I'll admit I am fond of the feelings i got when i was younger, and i try to keep that around. For instance when I came to college, especially during a rough first semester I found a large group of guys that were playing roller hockey. Frankly, it gave me something new to focus on away from school and a healthy outlet to use for any excess stress. It gave me something else to work on and frankly got me in really solid shape by the end of that semester. I'd consider that a good benefit as opposed to me say, sitting around playing games on steam all day, which could have just as well been what i did.
while true, I feel like that would have to be obvious to most sports fans other than a small majority who are crazy.
as for watching sports being trivial, sure they are, but having grown up playing them I'll admit I am fond of the feelings i got when i was younger, and i try to keep that around. For instance when I came to college, especially during a rough first semester I found a large group of guys that were playing roller hockey. Frankly, it gave me something new to focus on away from school and a healthy outlet to use for any excess stress. It gave me something else to work on and frankly got me in really solid shape by the end of that semester. I'd consider that a good benefit as opposed to me say, sitting around playing games on steam all day, which could have just as well been what i did.
while true, I feel like that would have to be obvious to most sports fans other than a small majority who are crazy.
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So wait Opiate, I'm trying to follow but I'm a little lost. I'm not sure I agree that videogames are an inherently worthless activity. I think I understand that you're divorcing the camaraderie/social values of the activity from the activity itself. (like, within the fact that I play CS with my friend who moved away as a way to keep in touch, It isn't the game itself thats meaningful, but rather its our relationship. The game is just a means to an end.) I understand that, and agree.
But what about Portal 2? I derived so much meaning from playing that game. It just struck something very deep within me and I remember it as perhaps one of the most powerful experiences I've had in recent memory. The same way a very powerful film like Schindler's List or something gives some people a very profound and borderline life-changing or life-affirming experience.
So I mean, how would you categorize the meaning there? Is it the game? Is the meaning within myself? Is the meaning in the all experiences that led up to Portal2 striking me in such a profound way?
But what about Portal 2? I derived so much meaning from playing that game. It just struck something very deep within me and I remember it as perhaps one of the most powerful experiences I've had in recent memory. The same way a very powerful film like Schindler's List or something gives some people a very profound and borderline life-changing or life-affirming experience.
So I mean, how would you categorize the meaning there? Is it the game? Is the meaning within myself? Is the meaning in the all experiences that led up to Portal2 striking me in such a profound way?
aggro crag
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Wish people would watch two or three documentaries from the ESPN 30 for 30. It's a game, but if you're really paying attention, people would get the cultural significance.
I think what really bothers me about this article, is that she doesn't get why it's important. Was she just not getting his emotion and hype when he was watching his beloved Texans in the playoffs?
That said, he should probably go to the wedding anniversary. Just don't tell the guy to DVR it, or say it's just a game. If for whatever reason, I somehow got married and had to miss the World Cup Finals, I'd probably lose my fucking mind if someone said any one of those things. If USA made it to the finals, I'd probably have to be checked into a mental health facility.
P.S. SHE ROOTED AGAINST HIS TEAM. THAT'S SO MESSED UP.
I think what really bothers me about this article, is that she doesn't get why it's important. Was she just not getting his emotion and hype when he was watching his beloved Texans in the playoffs?
That said, he should probably go to the wedding anniversary. Just don't tell the guy to DVR it, or say it's just a game. If for whatever reason, I somehow got married and had to miss the World Cup Finals, I'd probably lose my fucking mind if someone said any one of those things. If USA made it to the finals, I'd probably have to be checked into a mental health facility.
P.S. SHE ROOTED AGAINST HIS TEAM. THAT'S SO MESSED UP.
I don't see why that matters. If an even is important to me, it is important to me. I don't care how many other people also find it important.
brucewaynegretzky
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Then you found NHL-Gaf and you spend way too much time sitting around talking to us right? Sports suck!
I'll give you a reasonable argument as soon as you link me to the book you're reading that ranks activities by their value and status.
NeoGAF: we're above that
ihearthawthats
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were you planning on entering evo? i think theres a difference between participant and spectator.
what bothers me about the op is that the guy is a freelance sports photographer who has taken pictures during the superbowl. sure, he may not have been taking pictures at this particular one, but since its a yearly anniversary he can practically give up any more future superbowls. from what i'm reading in the op, husband is 2 for 2 for missed superbowls so far. honestly, its a mistake that could've and should've been avoided from the start.
i'm not that upset at the women for this. however, if the husband does get the opportunity to photograph the superbowl in the future and the wife still says no, then shes a bitch.
dream
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Here's the disconnect: why are symbols (which represent meaningful ideas and values) not valuable? How does one determine the value of somethng so subjective and abstract?
I took the gaf video game route, why play them when I can just talk and bitch about them!
that and they closed down our rec center here so we have no rink within 45 miles
, not to mention playing club hockey here would cost over a couple 1000.. ugh.Yes, this is a reasonable synopsis. Obviously sports can have personal meaning to any person; that's different than something having objective, real meaning.
If we use the standard of "personal meaning" in conversations, however, all discussion breaks down. Any person can make anything a hobby of virtually anything and therefore infuse virtually anything with personal meaning. At that point, everything has "meaning," and that makes the word "meaningful" much less meaningful (no pun intended).
I have never had the urge to prove my manhood. Are you seriously using base instincts that stopped being important millions of years ago as your argument?
Herpes Reasons
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he's determining value from his own perspective.
lol. where to begin on that.
yeah try sports.
it may not be important to you, but it sure hell is important to athletes, the likes and fans.
BronzeWolf
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Opiate just likes arguing
Cerebral Assassin
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Sport is the primary form of male bonding around the world, I wouldn't call that meaningless. It also provides a common ground for different social groups & countries to communicate & it could be argued that it also helps/helped with easing racial tensions in certain countries.
brucewaynegretzky
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The problem is that we're talking about playing sports vs. watching sports and that makes it a little more difficult. Professional sports have "meaning" in the sense that they give us the pinnacle of physical performance. Watching is obviously less meaningful, but I think tangentially there is a connection that has actual value.
cuevas. PhD.
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Millions of years ago? I don't even...
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