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Why I'm Making My Husband Miss The Super Bowl
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The fuck.......
Opiate continually brings up forms of entertainment (sports, shoe shopping, woodcutting) as being meaningless. I'm asking how he thinks entertainment impacts society as a whole and what's its elimination would cause. It doesn't matter what you find entertainment in.
Why are you all arguing over the inherent value of sports and shoe shopping? Ignoring the concerns of her partner, she purposefully decided to schedule her wedding and all future anniversaries in potential conflict with something that she knows her partner enjoys and values with the expectation that her partner will give it up every time the conflict arises.
That is just plain inconsiderate.
That is just plain inconsiderate.
Wow man.
For those saying stupid shit like "just DVR it" or "compromises", did you all even read how she started that off? She knew that the Super Bowl was more than just an event for him, he isn't just a sports fanatic - it's his job to cover, and yet the reason why she STILL wanted to go for that date was so that she wasn't sweaty on her wedding date in her white dress? Get outta here.
She knew that would be a problem from day one, and yet she selfishly went for it for her own silly reason.
And here's the kicker - he'll be fine with missing out on a job income on one of the most important sports events of the year because she's going to look so hot in her black leather dress.
Give me a break.
For those saying stupid shit like "just DVR it" or "compromises", did you all even read how she started that off? She knew that the Super Bowl was more than just an event for him, he isn't just a sports fanatic - it's his job to cover, and yet the reason why she STILL wanted to go for that date was so that she wasn't sweaty on her wedding date in her white dress? Get outta here.
She knew that would be a problem from day one, and yet she selfishly went for it for her own silly reason.
And here's the kicker - he'll be fine with missing out on a job income on one of the most important sports events of the year because she's going to look so hot in her black leather dress.
Give me a break.
I would consider the first 2 not something relevant to someone living in any western culture and the third one is something that I have no interest in and so few people ever achieve.
I don't consider this proving my manhood, I consider it the normal next stage of life that most people go through.
No. Sounds fucking stupid.
Most movies and music are not some sort of intellectual pursuit either. Hell if I want to be entertained I am not going after intellectual pursuit.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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Was he going to photograph a television screen? Unless he had tickets to the Super Bowl itself, his job position is largely irrelevant in that regard.
Mens sana in corpore sano
This is true, but sports are one of the few things that a large group of people can share some type of commonality with in a society that is becoming increasingly segmented and divisive on choices of entertainment (to an alarming degree).
I see anything that can get people to actually talk to each other in a social setting a good thing. I wouldn't want to miss the water cooler or lunch room talk the next day after the super bowl, because its the highest drawing event of the year that more Americans will watch than any other event throughout the year. And people don't watch it just for the game anymore. They watch it for the commercials, the half time show, and the entire spectacle.
Peasant Princess-King
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Eh, they should have never agreed on that day, esecially it have more meaning to his career than just "watching the big game." the woman sounds kind of spoiled too with her "sacrifices" lol. My boyfriend and I have such busy lives right now that as long as we set aside time to do something for special occasions, then it is fine. We could celebrate a week from the actual date and we are still happy. That sounds like some self-entitled bullshit, especially since she was aware of what this game means to him and his career. On the other hand, he shouldn't have agreed to that date to begin with, so it is just as much on him.
Stop summoning Cthulhu and answer him!
vitaminwateryum
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The guy's a dummy for having his wedding near the Superbowl if it really means that much to him. That said, the Superbowl is a physical event that happens every year. Their anniversary isn't. Although the wife not might not see it as sentimental, there's no reason they can't just work out their problem and schedule their anniversary plans backwards one day.
There just has to be a name for the category this kind of arguments falls in. The kind of argument people make that they think is just chock full of intelligence and wittiness, but instead just shows how truly dumb and ignorant they are.
Herpes Reasons
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in some cultures, some may even call that next stage.....wait for it.....adulthood.
or aka manhood.
Women go through manhood?
Cerebral Assassin
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It may not have made them true or valid, but they were certainly meaningful to the people of those cultures( & to the cultures themselves), unless you believe the cause of wars to be meaningless.
AtomskEater
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I was just going to say they should have double-compromised by celebrating the anniversary on another day and watching the game later, but this idea is better. Nothing sexier/more romantic than a man cooking my dinner.
She didn't do all that on her own. He agreed to it.
So she's a control freak. And he's paying a mortgage on his balls.
No matter how she tries to paint the picture the more I think about the more she seems like a b...not nice person. I mean it actually would be way more convenient to celebrate it on Saturday. One he would be happy and two they won't run into that drunk crowed and DUI drivers out there. Not to metion all the pussy whipped comments he would get from his friends and more importantly his co-workers. Could you imagine some cool event coming up in say Europe and he gets passed up, when he asks why, his boss will be like "don't get mad your wife wouldn't let you go anyway... Pause...(everyone lols)"
Herpes Reasons
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yes.
where i mentioned manhood/worth/adulthood overlap each other and by definition are synonymous.
women are not exclusive to that
ReBurn
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The way the woman worded that piece left me feeling as though she has no respect for her husband and that she wants people to feel that he is a jerk for putting football above their anniversary.
If I were her husband I would be angry at this. It will be a miracle if they are married in 5 years.
If I were her husband I would be angry at this. It will be a miracle if they are married in 5 years.
He ended up agreeing, but she admits he tried to get her to reschedule it -- this conflict was already an issue before they were even married. I think we've established that he's whipped, but I don't think that excuses her exploiting it. It doesn't make for a sustainable and healthy relationship.
BronzeWolf
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Sports are not meaningless.
There is a reason why sports and arts are important in society. They both seem very useless and petty in the face of more worthwhile stuff like Science and Engineering. But they ARE important, because they represent the celebration of what makes us human.
Professional sports are a celebration of the values we physically strive for as human beings ourselves: Speed, Strength, Dexterity, Stamina. It's a celebration of things that we used to need for survival, and still do, just not as often. People neglect their physical health to their own demise and when people watch sports so they can taste the feel of those values we ourselves don't have.
Sports make us feel, as well as arts. Arts are the same, in the sense that a human life without music, or paintings, or other forms of expressions is a very oppressive and incomplete life.
It's not casualty that sports and arts are very pushed into our children, besides learning how to learn, and it's because that makes for much better rounded human beings
That was for Opiate
This is true. People would like to think that just because we learned to sit on a chair and push buttons, somehow our body gets rid of necessities like exercising and expression. It's not true. Body is equally important as mind. You can't have a mind in a dead body as you can't have a body in a dead mind.
There is a reason why sports and arts are important in society. They both seem very useless and petty in the face of more worthwhile stuff like Science and Engineering. But they ARE important, because they represent the celebration of what makes us human.
Professional sports are a celebration of the values we physically strive for as human beings ourselves: Speed, Strength, Dexterity, Stamina. It's a celebration of things that we used to need for survival, and still do, just not as often. People neglect their physical health to their own demise and when people watch sports so they can taste the feel of those values we ourselves don't have.
Sports make us feel, as well as arts. Arts are the same, in the sense that a human life without music, or paintings, or other forms of expressions is a very oppressive and incomplete life.
It's not casualty that sports and arts are very pushed into our children, besides learning how to learn, and it's because that makes for much better rounded human beings
That was for Opiate
This is true. People would like to think that just because we learned to sit on a chair and push buttons, somehow our body gets rid of necessities like exercising and expression. It's not true. Body is equally important as mind. You can't have a mind in a dead body as you can't have a body in a dead mind.
Absolutely, anything can be subjectively meaningful. Again, that's typically not what we're discussing when we discuss meaning, because of course something is meaningful by this definition. Everything is meaningful by this definition, and therefore there's no conversation to be had.
Further, we need to separate causes from their subjective effects. Something that is petty, trivial, or invalid may cause a war; that does not mean the war is meaningless, just that it was fought on meaningless auspices.
SouthernDragon
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Watching Opiate argue in a thread is like watching an armed gladiator vs a group of just captured prisoners with wooden shields.
Damned if they aren't going to try, but their shields won't do them much good...
Damned if they aren't going to try, but their shields won't do them much good...
She put more emphasis on other things in that write-up, but if she said that it was his job/career, I would imagine that watching the game, whether via television or actually being there is still crucial to his job. My point is that she knew this prior to setting a wedding date - it wasn't something that came up after they got married, and he's not just a guy who worships football - it's a part of the guy's job and she knew this already.
BronzeWolf
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He needs to pick up his battles. No person's rights are being violated and there are no consequences other than this couples' marriage. The whole discussion is arid in my opinion
Okay. Why is that? Explain why these are different and hold no analogous value.
Correct. That's why I enjoy baseball, but fully admit that it is meaningless.
The final arbiter of importance is objectivity. If something is valid, functional and important whether I happen to care about it or not, it has real meaning. Medicine fits this definition, for example: even if I am a rabid anti-vaccine advocate, vaccines still work and hold value.
Sports fit none of these definitions.
cuevas. PhD.
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Is armed gladiator another name for trolling? He's literally arguing about nothing at this point.
bengraven
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O yeah and this entire message board isn't a testament to people taking a hobby "waaay too seriously." ::
I'm calling all out for being overly obsessive of their hobbies.
Don't shuffle me into the other group because I criticized obsessive sports folks.
Christ, I haven't even played a videogame in over two weeks.
At least you got it.
I don't understand how sports are "different" than other hobbies, except that they're immensly popular. I know that I would probably have an easier social life if I liked sports. I know that being a white guy, especially a not very intelligent white guy, in America it's assumed I'm huge into sports. I don't like being the one guy at the family gathering reading his Kindle in the corner. I hate when I'm sitting alone at the bus stop and a guy sits down and says, "well what the fuck happened last night in that game? My god, let's talk about that..." I'm not allowed to change the channel at my parent-in-laws house, even if my dudebro-in-law has been away from it for over an hour - the second he walks in, whatever I'm watching goes off and something, anything sports come on ("the shittiest sport is better than the best movie, bro" I was informed last weekend when he changed The Departed to women's basketball).
I've tried, over and over again, every year every season to enjoy sports, but after 32 years I give the fuck up.
I'm about to go to my brother-in-laws dudebro (beer, pong, beer pong, screaming, southern accents, lots of things made out of chips or that need chips dipped into them) party in an hour and I'm dreading it like a sports fan dreads taking his wife to the opera.
As for this chick, I'm not going one way or the other. Guy works in sports, but he also agreed to her deal. Chick comes off as an asshole. But whatever.
Cerebral Assassin
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I see what you are saying & in some ways I agree ( any sport viewed in isolation can be seen as meaningless), but it performs a role in today's society that is far from meaningless.
BronzeWolf
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It does in the same sense that arts have value. Human beings have a necessity for expression and that extends to physical endeavors.
Diprosalic
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anniversary/birthday are freaking stupid. if football is something he really cares about she should let him watch. the nice dinner can wait, or do it on the frikkin saturday.
brucewaynegretzky
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Actually Opiate and I have had a decent amount of agreement here. The real difference is his personal definition of "meaning" which doesn't seem to be generally accepted.... unless you're not a sports fan and you just accept it.
I find it almost endearing that you can frame the discussion like this.
My first thought was this:
brucewaynegretzky
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I find it almost endearing that you can frame the discussion like this.
My first thought was this:
He's doing that on purpose! He even tells his team not to defend him!
/Tabris
Herpes Reasons
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if you enjoy baseball, there is value in it where it is entertainment and has some semblance of emotional attachment or value. and therefore has meaning.
what you are doing in this thread by definition is trolling, but without the inflammatory derp statements. but very pleasant and classy, i might add.
Man, watching you try to define objective value is a little depressing. By your logic, if we wanted to anything (objectively) meaningful in life we would have to be scientists.
And even then it's flawed because we need to take the idea that human life has any sort of meaning as axiomatic.
brucewaynegretzky
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The funny thing is Opiate seems to value things I would think should be "meaningless" in his system like relationships.
Is this a sports analogy? LOL.
The anniversary dinner is at least as important to her as his love of football. She also believes they are better when done on the actual date, just as he feels sports are best watched live.
The caveat of if his preferred team makes it there the game comes first also shows she does understand the importance of the game. She is saying this:
1 - Your team making it to the superbowl would be more important than the one-year anniversary of our wedding
2 - Any team but your team making it to the superbowl wouldn't.
I'd call that an absolutely fair compromise.
It isn't going to be every year she makes it a choice, either; she just felt first year was a particular milestone. I'm sure she'll feel the same about the fifth and tenth etc. Why not?
Moreoever, she has absolutely no investment in the football, whereas he shares an investment in the anniversary dinner. While the specific timings of the dinner might not matter to him as much, the dinner still does. He has more reason for allowing the dinner to take precedence over the superbowl than she does letting the superbowl take precedence over the dinner.
Not to mention that nobody here gives a crap about what is objectively meaningful.
Saying something is meaningless about something that millions of people find meaningful is hilarious.
Saying something is meaningless that anybody at all finds meaning in is ridiculous.
It might be meaningless to you, but who cares?
Objective meaningfulness is a moronic idea that Opiate seems to have introduced to "win" some internet argument.
BronzeWolf
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Have brunch
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Wow, so liking sports makes me a Dude-Bro now?
Dude-bro I am.
..and sports is different since it's scheduled events. Most other hobbies, barring events like conventions, can be put off rather easily. Scheduled sporting events, are.. wait for.. it already scheduled at a set time.
My other hobbies, like gaming and painting can be moved around freely whenever I want. Watching the game? It's on at one set time. It's an aspect of being a sports fan that's appealing, it's an event.
One may be able to show that entertainment, as an abstract concept, holds empirical value for human kind -- although I'm not necessarily conceding that it does.
However, that point is moot. It is very different than showing that a specific thing from which we derive entertainment has value. For example, I might find a chair exceptionally entertaining, personally; perhaps I have some reason for loving this chair, obsessing over it, being fascinated by it. Does that make chairs objectively entertaining? Of course not.
Literally anything could be entertaining to someone, based on subjective perceptions. Which leads us, again, to the conclusion that everything has "meaning" by this definition, because somebody somewhere might find it entertaining.
Again, we need to separate causes from effects. It is perfectly possible for someone to derive something meaningful from something meaningless. I may, for example, kill a person over a shoe. That doesn't mean that shoe fashion is now objectively meaningful; just that something silly and trivial produced a tragic and very real result.
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