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[Suairyu]

I also think you may be assuming a little too much of her in thinking she got his permission.

Despite the "putting pussy on a pedastal"/"he's totally whipped because he didn't get his way" crowd that crops up in every girl-related thread, we have no reason to assume he didn't genuinely accept her argument. We also have no reason to assume he doesn't have self respect or strength. Guy is a sports photographer - that business is tough and requires great character and will.

If he didn't want this article to be published, he (probably) would have kicked a shitstorm about it and ended the relationship if it got published anyway.

 

[Good Job Bob]

The Opiate Saga is over, thus begins the Devolution Saga.

 

[DY_nasty]

Where did I deny she's an asshole? What's funny is the amount of sympathy for a fucking dumbass who made his bed.

What sympathy? lol

 

[The_Hitcher89]

Agreed. Eventually he'll find his balls and things won't be pretty.

Things won't be pretty at the dinner. I can picture it. At first she'll be chatting some shite about Angelina Jolie's bracelets she wore to the Golden Globes in 2007. He'll nod and 'yeah' his way through it for 15 minutes, then she'll see through the veil of self-absorption and realise that he seems a bit preoccupied. She'll ask what's wrong, he'll say 'nothing,' then she'll figure out that he's only thinking about the SuperBowl and what a stupid idea it was to agree to this bollocks. She'll say, in her most diva-ish voice, 'If you're thinking about your little football match, I'll remind you that we both agreed that this would be for the best.' At that point he'll remember what a pussy he was when he agreed to this, and spend the next hour in silence glaring at an empty chair just over her shoulder, and essentially being a mennequin for her to talk at. The entire time he'll be running through a highlight reel of classic SuperBowl moments in his head, and making predictions on the match-times, such as when the halftime show will be starting. 1 hour in she'll mention how much he's drinking, and he'll make a snide remark about how much she's eating, and that'll be the last thing they'll say to eachother tonight aside from 'I can't believe the meal came to that much' and 'you're sleeping on the couch.' The next day, they'll be left with nothing other than a vague and constant, yet unspoken feeling of 'he should have watched the SuperBowl.'

None of that is based in any way on reality ¬¬

 

[HappyBivouac]

EVERYTHING
AND
EVERYONE
IS
LITERALLY
AWFUL

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Also, the fact that Ben Rapistberger was playing last year and the Patriots are playing this year largely diminishes any desire to watch.

 

[Angry Fork]

Where did I deny she's an asshole? What's funny is the amount of sympathy for a fucking dumbass who made his bed.

This is the same argument people say about women who date assholes and then are surprised when they get cheated on. If people are going to accept that men can appear to be nice at the beginning of a relationship and then change later on, then it should be fair to say a guy could be head over heels for a woman in the beginning and not realize she's controlling until something like this happens.

 

[smr00]

God damn, it's just a game

It's not JUST a game.

 

[Pinko Marx]

i think its great how GAF comes together to get to the real core of an issue.
no matter what it is.

 

[WanderingWind]

This is the same argument people say about women who date assholes and then are surprised when they get cheated on.

Apparently, you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[ATF487]

Actually, I'm a fan of both sports and the NFL. But I don't have an undying need to watch the largely boring, over-produced Super Bowl, particularly when my team is not involved.

Ah, fair enough, but nothing about that post could have led to that conclusion...

I don't see how you can be a large fan of the NFL and not want to see the Super Bowl, though. I hate the commercials and the hype, but it's the final game of the season, with, well, not always the 2 best teams, but it's frequently the best matchup of the season, especially since AFC and NFC teams don't play each other as often. It's also the last game for 7 months

 

[Devolution]

This is the same argument people say about women who date assholes and then are surprised when they get cheated on.

If a guy has shown he's a philanderer, then she's a dipshit too. I have no qualms calling that out as well. There's a difference between people who become abusive. Being unable to watch the Superbowl when he should just "grow a pair" and establish that his needs and wants mean something too, his fault as well.

 

[braves01]

Opiate, do you think art in any of its many forms in objectively meaningful? I haven't thought about this too much, so I don't have much to say, but I'm curious about what you think.

btw, this thread is a hot mess.

 

[Rentahamster]

Woo, victim blaming!

No, not really. Participating in a healthy relationship between two adults is a little different than getting robbed or beaten up.

 

[Count Dookkake]

This is the same argument people say about women who date assholes and then are surprised when they get cheated on. If people are going to accept that men can appear to be nice at the beginning of a relationship and then change later on, then it should be fair to say a guy could be head over heels for a woman in the beginning and not realize she's controlling until something like this happens.

You say this like Devo doesn't know this.

 

[RDreamer]

Yeah the guy pretty much made his bed and now he has to sleep in it, but that does't mean the internet shouldn't call her on her bullshit, especially since she posted her bullshit publicly for the entire internet to critique.

 

[Devolution]

Yeah the guy pretty much made his bed and now he has to sleep in it, but that does't mean the internet shouldn't call her on her bullshit, especially since she posted her bullshit publicly for the entire internet to critique.

Pretty much, I have no issues with calling her out but some of the "woe is this guy" bullshit, really? Really?

 

[HappyBivouac]

It's not JUST a game.

Actually yes it is. Sorry. It really is.

 

[Dead Man]

You're comparing being unable to watch the superbowl to abuse? You should be ashamed of yourself.

No, and you know I am not. I am comparing public humiliation and willfully staying in a relationship to physical violence and willfuly staying in a relationship. I am comparing the psychology of victims and the imbalance of power. I am comparing a simple thing that you seem to be overlooking. Men are not all powerful just becuase you think he should be able to put his foot down. He is being bullied, publicly, and it is fucked to say that is his fault. Anyone in an abusive relationship, psychologically of physically, can leave that relationship. Any person who is bullied can stand up to that bully. But the bullying and abuse are not their fault.

Fuck, you made me liar.

 

[Rentahamster]

Actually yes it is. Sorry. It really is.

It is. But not to him.

 

[DY_nasty]

Despite the "putting pussy on a pedastal" crowd that crops up in every girl-related thread, we have no reason to assume he didn't genuinely accept her argument. We also have no reason to assume he doesn't have self respect or strength. Guy is a sports photographer - that business is tough and requires great character and will.

If he didn't want this article to be published, he (probably) would have kicked a shitstorm about it and ended the relationship if it got published anyway.

Read the article, she prides herself on the fact that she just walk right over his objections. Hell, she even acts as if she's going easy on him by "being such a cool newlywed". Pussy on a pedestal... despite that you want to oblivious towards the sentiment for whatever reason, is very, very real. There are tons of guys who lack the self-esteem and self-worth to assert themselves over any real issue against their partner OR lack the confidence to simply disagree firmly. Again, in the article, she prides herself on it several times from the initial wedding date to the part where she's hoping his team loses. Also " Guy is a sports photographer - that business is tough and requires great character and will. " - how the fuck did you come to this conclusion?

And if he didn't want the article to be published, what is he gonna do? Its obvious he can't put his foot down for anything else. What makes you think he could start now?

 

[HappyBivouac]

I would not hesitate to say that at least half the people who make a big deal about the super bowl (actually fuck it let's make this about sports in general) do so because they think they're supposed to.

 

[Good Job Bob]

I would not hesitate to say that at least half the people who make a big deal about the super bowl do so because they think they're supposed to.

You could make a similar statement about anniversaries.

 

[Angry Fork]

If a guy has shown he's a philanderer, then she's a dipshit too. I have no qualms calling that out as well. There's a difference between people who become abusive. Being unable to watch the Superbowl when he should just "grow a pair" and establish that his needs and wants mean something too, his fault as well.

Fair enough, not trying to start anything as long as you accept that alternative it's fine. I personally think the guy is an idiot for not laying down the law but I'd give him around 30-35% of the blame since women seem to have the 'power' in modern marriages. But that's based on what I see + movies/TV etc. all of that. (But then again it can be argued men allow women to have power so idk. It's supposed to be give/take but he gave too much when it comes to superbowl)

You say this like Devo doesn't know this.

No it just sounded like she was harping on the guy while ignoring the possibility that he didn't know she was a controlling freak so I felt like bringing it up.

 

[THRILLH0]

The issue issue whether or not this woman is objectively a cunt. She is objectively and absolutely a cunt. Even my girlfriend thinks so. Neither I or my girlfriend are big sports fans but we've both been married and know how it is.

Their marriage won't last to the fifth anniversary.

I'm shocked you couldn't make that first one last mate.

 

[dream]

No, not really. Participating in a healthy relationship between two adults is a little different than getting robbed or beaten up.

Wait, are you saying a relationship where one party bullies and dominates the other is healthy?

 

[HappyBivouac]

You could make a similar statement about anniversaries.

Yes, that too.

Basically, like I said. Everything is terrible and we are all shit. Show's over folx no more discussion.

 

[smr00]

Actually yes it is. Sorry. It really is.

No, it's not.

 

[Philia]

Without reading the last 8 pages of this thread, that stuff the wife wrote unnerves me. I really really really hate women who thinks they're entitled for all kinds of shit. And worse, write about how she just had her own husband around her finger and being all shameless about it.

It doesn't matter if its the superbowl, it doesn't matter if its the anniversary, it doesn't even matter if they're married, its the way of how she spoke of herself and her husband as a lesser equal. Its just downright disgusting.

 

[Dead Man]

Wait, are you saying a relationship where one party bullies and dominates the other is healthy?

No. That victims of bullying are to blame becuase they are not participating in a healthy relationship.

So, victim blaming.

 

[Trey]

If a guy has shown he's a philanderer, then she's a dipshit too. I have no qualms calling that out as well. There's a difference between people who become abusive. Being unable to watch the Superbowl when he should just "grow a pair" and establish that his needs and wants mean something too, his fault as well.

It's a bit presumptive to assume the man bent over like a bitch, especially when the entire situation is told from her point of view. He may very well had just accepted the terms because he wanted to, through no forced coersion on her part.

It's "his fault" certainly, because he agreed to the compromise. Whether there is any fault to be assigned is ultimately for them to decide and GAF to lose their mind over.

 

[Emitan]

No, it's not.

Yes it is. It's a bunch of grown men throwing a ball around while viewers get bombarded by advertisements.

 

[The_Hitcher89]

I would not hesitate to say that at least half the people who make a big deal about the super bowl (actually fuck it let's make this about sports in general) do so because they think they're supposed to.

People enjoy getting hyped. Look at E3, the buildup is nearly always better than the pay-off

 

[Devolution]

Without reading the last 8 pages of this thread, that stuff the wife wrote unnerves me. I really really really hate women who thinks they're entitled for all kinds of shit. And worse, write about how she just had her own husband around her finger and being all shameless about it.

It doesn't matter if its the superbowl, it doesn't matter if its the anniversary, it doesn't even matter if they're married, its the way of how she spoke of herself and her husband as a lesser equal. Its just downright disgusting.

Anyone who thinks that way in a relationship is an unmitigated asshole. If these people establish well off the bat that's how they act though, my sympathy for the people who marry them starts to wane.

 

[Angry Fork]

Wait, are you saying a relationship where one party bullies and dominates the other is healthy?

I remember reading a thread a long time ago on gaf that was about fetishes and shit between couples. Some guy said him and his girlfriend had this thing going on where the girlfriend would basically dominate him in all aspects of life which included picking his meals for him at restaurants, and if he ever back talked she'd give him the evil eye etc. I thought it was hilarious and scary at the same time. Some people called him out on it and asked whether he was okay with that and so on and there was back and forths.

 

[Diprosalic]

You could make a similar statement about anniversaries.

i'd say that number is way bigger.

 

[Good Job Bob]

This is the quintessential Superbowl Sunday GAF thread, and for that we should thank this women.

 

[Count Dookkake]

No it just sounded like she was harping on the guy while ignoring the possibility that he didn't know she was a controlling freak so I felt like bringing it up.

Yes, like she doesn't know this.

 

[DY_nasty]

Yes it is. It's a bunch of grown men throwing a ball around while viewers get bombarded by advertisements.

Its an unofficial holiday. Even if you don't like football, the parties, cookouts, office pools, etc everywhere make it a big deal.

You could easily argue that the actual game isn't even the main attraction anymore.

 

[Rentahamster]

Wait, are you saying a relationship where one party bullies and dominates the other is healthy?

What I'm saying is that I don't think their relationship has crossed the line yet into 'abusive', at which point blaming the victim would indeed be uncool.

 

[Godslay]

Actually yes it is. Sorry. It really is.

Sure what you watch is just a game. That largely ignores the periphery. Sports is an industry within itself and has it's own segments that contribute "objective meaning" to society. Sports medicine, charitable foundations, research into injuries, as well as all the jobs/revenue that contribute into our economy. This ignores the meaning that people place upon it in there own lives. To say it is just a game is ultimately a shallow view of the entire "ecosystem" that sports are.

 

[Angry Fork]

Yes, like she doesn't know this.

? Why the combative undertone? lol I don't really care. I'm sure she knew the other side of the coin but she kept raging on the guy without mentioning the woman being at fault too. It was pretty one sided at every post so I brought it up to see if she really feels like the guy is 100% at fault or if she was willing to admit the woman had a role in this.

 

[marathonfool]

Why is everyone yelling in here?

I read the article. It sounds like the wife and husband deserve each other. Husband doesn't make his wants and needs met and wife wants to subjugate his time toward her.

Perfect descriptor of a marriage where the husband doesn't have a backbone and the wife is a control freak.

 

[reilo]

I am a person who enjoys sports, who still fully recognizes they are meaningless. If you hold "value and meaning" in sports in some more objective fashion, then I think the evidence strongly suggests you're wrong, and I don't know what else to tell you. It certainly isn't meant to be offensive.

I highly disagree. There is meaning in sports. I think you are looking at this from a highly literal and logical perspective that is counter-intuitive to what sports are about.

Sports isn't about logic or even numbers. We apply numbers to them as predictors, but those are highly flawed (degrees of flaw vary depending on the sport). But I digress.

Sports is about the human element and the idea of watching a person or a group of people overcome athletic challenges. It's been ingrained in our society for thousands of years (ie Olympics).

It sounds to me like that an objective world is one as written in A Brave New World. That's not a world I want to live in. Do you?

Plus, I do find it offensive that you advocating this idea that people who do find meaning in sports is objectively wrong. What about people that make a living working in that field? It's not just athletes and coaches and managers, but from the towel boy to the concierge to the marketing department at a front office to the photographers to the cameraman to the broadcast producers -- all of those people benefit from a "meaningless" and "valueless" activity in more ways than just monetary.

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

Oh man I love this thread so much. Never has so much been discussed about so little.

 

[Count Dookkake]

? Why the combative undertone? lol I don't really care. I'm sure she knew the other side of the coin but she kept raging on the guy without mentioning the woman being at fault too. It was pretty one sided at every post so I brought it up to see if she really feels like the guy is 100% at fault or if she was willing to admit the woman had a role in this.

lol at 'combative tone.'

You are the one with that tone. It's funny that dinky-wang GAF never seems to notice when the mean old feminists support a male victim and chastise a female abuser. Every thread it's the same thing.

 

[AZ Greg]

I would not hesitate to say that at least half the people who make a big deal about the super bowl (actually fuck it let's make this about sports in general) do so because they think they're supposed to.

This thread...

 

[Rentahamster]

I highly disagree. There is meaning in sports.

There is 'subjective' meaning. Opiate's not denying that. All he's saying is that there's no 'objective' standard of meaning, according to his testable definition.

 

[WanderingWind]

lol at 'combative tone.'

You are the one with that tone. It's funny that dinky-wang GAF never seems to notice when the mean old feminists support a male victim and chastise a female abuser. Every thread it's the same thing.

Yeah, definitely not combative....

 

[tranciful]

What I'm saying is that I don't think their relationship has crossed the line yet into 'abusive', at which point blaming the victim would indeed be uncool.

Meh, I don't think it has to cross a line before it can be improved upon