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[Poor GRIMES]

If the LGBT umbrella opens wide enough to encompass any sexuality outside of the "norm"* then it will become completely pointless. It will be blunted as a useful social movement that has given so much to the LGBT community.

Fights against oppression and discrimination have to be specific and targeted. That's why we have had 4 waves of Feminism, a whole bunch of civil rights movements, etc. rather than one single "progressive" movement.

*care to explain exactly what the "norm" is, btw?

I agree that fights against oppression and discrimination should be targeted. I disagree that opening up the umbrella makes the solidarity of the community lesser. The goals of the LGBT+ community with its target for larger acceptance of gender and sexual minorities aligns with that of cishet aces.
For further reading:

anon asked: there is absolutely no place for cishet ace people at pride or in the lgbt community... idk how you can defend the place of cishet people in our safe spaces

response: Well, here’s the thing. Cishet means “cisgender hetrosexual” so if we’re talking about cisgender heterosexual folks who are also heteromantic and aren’t intersex, then I agree totally. But saying “cishet ace” is confusing as you’re either saying “cisgender heterosexual asexual,” which is contradictory and not a thing, or you’re saying “cisgender heteroromantic asexual,” wherein you recognize that asexuals are in fact not heterosexual and therefore belong in the LGBTQIAP+/MOGAI/queer community.

We’re getting really tired of talking about this shit when we’ve shut it down so thoroughly so many times, and us mods have been discussing not entertaining this kind of question anymore. However, I continue to take them because doing nothing about this kind of hatred is allowing it to continue. If I don’t stand up to you now, my inaction tells you that it’s okay to think like this.

And it’s not okay.

Please, remove your head from your ass for a moment and imagine with me that other people have feelings. Imagine that you are asexual and are constantly being invalidated, erased, and discriminated against by heterosexual people. Imagine that you’d like a safe space. Imagine if there’s a whole group of people who face very similar discrimination and hate from heterosexuals. Seems like the place to be, right?

Now imagine that assholes like you are saying nope, you don’t belong here. They’re telling you that you belong with the people who are hurting you, who led you to seek out a safe space. Do you understand the hypocrisy? Do you see how what you’re doing is hurting others?

I can defend the right of all asexuals to find a safe haven in MOGAI spaces because they belong there and because I have compassion for others. Why do you think it’s okay to deny a safe space to people who need one?
-Kiowa

http://asexualadvice.tumblr.com/post/118684738548/there-is-absolutely-no-place-for-cishet-ace-people

 

[WaffleTaco]

If the LGBT umbrella opens wide enough to encompass any sexuality outside of the "norm"* then it will become completely pointless. It will be blunted as a useful social movement that has given so much to the LGBT community.

Fights against oppression and discrimination have to be specific and targeted. That's why we have had 4 waves of Feminism, a whole bunch of civil rights movements, etc. rather than one single "progressive" movement.

*care to explain exactly what the "norm" is, btw?



Hi, I'm Queer. Really fucking queer. I am a great big queer.

So, so sorry that bothers you.

I agree with you acutally, which is why LGBT+ is probably what most people will stick with. Maybe LGBTQ+ if we really want to. However, if someone wants to ask, what does + mean, we need to have additional words and definitions. Also the norm are cis heterosexual individual's who are not under the ace umbrella.

Wouldn't Questioned be perfectly covered under Queer?

Maybe? It depends on the questioning individual. They may not feel comfortable identifying as Queer yet.

 

[PSqueak]

Maybe? It depends on the questioning individual. They may not feel comfortable identifying as Queer yet.

Fair enough, i myself am not 100% sure of my sexuality, but feel it would be insincere if i were to adopt the queer umbrella.

 

[Sai-kun]

So put "AA" then.
Obscuring a particular group by saying "It can stand for that, there's nothing really wrong with that" is, well, wrong.

Allies are not queer and never will be, despite their cries for straight pride month and the like.

 

[Poor GRIMES]

I've been reading up on the different experiences that MOGAI undergo. For the purpose of the thread, I feel this is a good article to get a good idea of navigating one's life as asexual.

https://writingfromfactorx.wordpres...ee-the-invisible-elephant-please-describe-it/

Tumblr is a very good resource for MOGAI people as well and for those interested about familiarizing yourself with other people's experiences. One day I'll probably collect a shortlist of really good blogs and make a thread about it.

 

[How About No]

Allies are not queer and never will be, despite their cries for straight pride month and the like.

I think if they're crying for "Straight Pride" they can not ever be considered "Allies" lmao

 

[WaffleTaco]

Allies are not queer and never will be, despite their cries for straight pride month and the like.

Somehow I doubt that Allis are the same people who want Heterosexual Pride day.

 

[Elider]

Source.

 

[Poor GRIMES]

Source.

I find it odd how readily dismissive people are when it comes to cishet ace people or hell ace people in general when it comes to problems that face them. It's not a good look

 

[Sai-kun]

I think if they're crying for "Straight Pride" they can not ever be considered "Allies" lmao

Somehow I doubt that Allis are the same people who want Heterosexual Pride day.

Hey these posts are true! 😂 But the A still doesn't stand for allies

 

[How About No]

Hey these posts are true! 😂 But the A still doesn't stand for allies

Oh I will not argue with that

 

[Cocaloch]

It's already been posted but aces have not and will never experience the same oppression that gay or trans people have/will so there is not a need to colocate them in the lgbt community. You can be cis, het and asexual and live a totally unoppressed life.

Not to say there aren't unique problems for aces that demand community and education but it shouldn't be piggybacked on to existing lgbt communities.

Is an absence of interest something that needs to be openly expressed?

I get that asexual people will face a lot of misunderstanding about their orientation but there's a wide gulf between misunderstanding and hatred, oppression and violence, which is what most other LGBTQ etc people deal with now or have dealt with historically.

I know the intuition is that progressive movements should be all-inclusive, as that is the general spirit of progressivism, but in this case I'd understand if the LGBT community doesn't think this issue should be lumped in with them. I don't know how they feel broadly, of course, but I'd assume they don't believe asexuals share their exact same struggle.

Because there is no oppression that comes with being asexual. At worst, people are confused about it or don't undestand it. No one's going to assault or fire you for not feeling sexually attraction to anyone.

Wouldn't asexual people not really be impacted by discrimination? Maybe I'm oblivious to it, but it seems like they just don't have sex and nobody really has a reason to even know that or discriminate them for it.

Sorry but heteroromantic asexuals are... heteros

I'm glad to see the classic oppression olympics are being put on.

The theoretic framework of gender theory would also suggest that asexual people are far closer to the rest of LGBTQ than they are to the Hetero community.

Power and oppression isn't just to be found in laws.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

I find it odd how readily dismissive people are when it comes to cishet ace people or hell ace people in general when it comes to problems that face them. It's not a good look

Because heteroromantic cis ace people will literally never experience anywhere close to the discrimination that literally anyone else in the LGBT community experiences. Cishet aces won't be fired for being cishet, cishet aces won't have any issues getting married, cishet aces won't get punched for holding hands on the sidewalk, cishet aces won't be refused service at a bar, the list goes on and on and on.

Nobody is saying cishet aces don't experience discrimination but they don't experience the same discrimination as people in the LGBT community.

 

[Poor GRIMES]

Because heteroromantic cis ace people will literally never experience anywhere close to the discrimination that literally anyone else in the LGBT community experiences. Cishet aces won't be fired for being cishet, cishet aces won't have any issues getting married, cishet aces won't get punched for holding hands on the sidewalk, cishet aces won't be refused service at a bar, the list goes on and on and on.

Nobody is saying cishet aces don't experience discrimination but they don't experience the same discrimination as people in the LGBT community.

I'll let actual cishet people speak because it's not my place:

This kind of identity policing and shitty behavior is why it’s not straight passing privilege - it’s straight passing erasure. You only get the privileges of a straight person at the cost of being closeted. And straight passing erasure comes with a whole other brand of phobic behavior - identity policing and invalidation from within the community.
Acenon, your identity is valid, and those poopheads who’ve harassed you are stinky toe fungus. I’m sorry they’ve been stinking up the joint for you.

(posting anonymously)
I agree that white/cis-het/abled male sexuality is privileged in a way that female/POC/trans/LGBP+/disabled sexuality is not, HOWEVER, this idea can be (and is!) used to imply that female/POC/trans/LGBP+/disabled aces are always privileged over our allo counterparts. That is dangerous and untrue.
I’ve seen this in the feminist movement (esp. certain kinds of sex poz feminists), with the emphasis on fighting “sl*t-shaming” and sexual double standards. Allo sex poz feminists may see ace women as privileged over allo women or worse yet, benefiting from and collaborating with misogynists.
As an ace POC, white people’s fear or anxiety about our sexuality (particularly as directed towards whites) is only one side of the story. Ace POC who are stereotyped as more “sexual” may be invalidated by whites who think we’re sexual by nature and mocked as not a “real” POC. Ace POC who are stereotyped as less “sexual” (for example, Asian men) don’t necessarily have it better – I doubt it feels 100% positive to embody a stereotype that is based on racist hate of Asian males. (I’m not an Asian man, so this is speculation.)
POC are probably just as heteronormative and just as capable of expressing anti-asexual attitudes and behaviors as whites. An ace POC risks invalidation or hostility from their family and their community. We may lose a major source of support in a racist and white-dominated society. At the same time, we will face alienation and racism in the very white-centric asexual community. I can tell you that this is a very depressing situation and as an ace POC, I feel quite alone.
I don’t think that OP was implying that marginalized aces are better off than marginalized allos. Sorry for derailing, but I really wanted to push back against the idea that asexuality somehow exempts people from prejudice and oppression.
(Mod note: Thank you for this well thought out contribution!)

1. Just because you don’t exeperience hateful or discriminatory behavior (which you are experience micro aggressions so you actually do it’s just more systematic and subtle) doesn’t mean that other asexual aren’t experiencing it. Asexuals face so many forms of erasure and not to mention corrective rape. Just because you haven’t experienced that (and thank goodness you haven’t) doesn’t mean it’s not a problem. Asexuals do face discrimination.
2. Many other queer people haven’t faced the worse of their potential hateful acts against them (I haven’t been murdered for being trans for example) but that doesn’t mean that they couldn’t potentially have that happen to them. That doesn’t mean that the risk and danger isn’t there. Just because you or they haven’t experienced it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. It’s not about one individual’s experience. It’s about the whole. The group. Which is why we have the LGBT/Queer/MOGAI community fighting back against that oppression. Because enough of us have experienced it to make it a problem. It’s not isolated inssidents. It’s phenomenon and a problem.
3. It does not matter who suffers more. We are all discriminated against for our sexuality. This “who suffers more” bullshit needs to stop. We all face the problem. Yes, some people do have it worse than others and those groups do need more attention. That needs to be acknowledged because a blanket treatment won’t work. But we do not need to exclude groups who “suffer less.” They still still face discrimination. They still need help. They still have a place in our community.
-Kieren

http://asexualadvice.tumblr.com

But let's take it from me as POC cis-gay man:

Do my experiences immediately get invalidated because Trans people face more backlash from the mainstream, heteromative community? Are cisgendered masculine white gay men exempt from being included into the LGBT+ community because they can be "sttaight passing?" Do closeted straight passing gay men get the pass because they can benefit off of that? Are cisgendered POC gay men exempt from their problems because they face less issues than POC trans men or women?


How far does this go? Where is the line where the oppression is enough for a group to be listened to?

 

[Garrett Hawke]

I'll let actual cishet people speak because it's not my place:




http://asexualadvice.tumblr.com

I get what you're saying and I agree that they experience discrimination but not the same discrimination or legal challenge LGBT people face if they are cishet.

For example poor people experience discrimination but it's not the same discrimination LGBT people face, even if there is a lot of crossover in the way they are treated.

 

[kirblar]

Hi, I'm Queer. Really fucking queer. I am a great big queer.

So, so sorry that bothers you.

I don't like the reclamation, but I can get over that w/ people needing an umbrella word and LGBT+ being more of a word salad than the 10th iteration of a fighting game. The irritation with "queer" as a personal descriptor is that it says something and yet says nothing. I'm a gay guy. This tells you pretty much everything you'd need to know - I'm a dude, I'm into dudes! When used as a personal descriptor, the phrase is claiming identity, yet failing to tell you what identity.

 

[Earthbound64]

Because heteroromantic cis ace people will literally never experience anywhere close to the discrimination that literally anyone else in the LGBT community experiences. Cishet aces won't be fired for being cishet, cishet aces won't have any issues getting married, cishet aces won't get punched for holding hands on the sidewalk, cishet aces won't be refused service at a bar, the list goes on and on and on.

Nobody is saying cishet aces don't experience discrimination but they don't experience the same discrimination as people in the LGBT community.

So, where do you propose that we (asexuals) go to find people with "similar discrimination experiences" to us? What exactly are you proposing that we do?

 

[Poor GRIMES]

I get what you're saying and I agree that they experience discrimination but not the same discrimination or legal challenge LGBT people face if they are cishet.

For example poor people experience discrimination but it's not the same discrimination LGBT people face, even if there is a lot of crossover in the way they are treated.

Types and traits typical of marginalized groups are not in a vacuum. There is intersectionality in everything, you can't analyze and label marginalized groups as "less oppressed" and "'more oppressed" when speaking about inclusivity in certain MOGAI spaces. It's counterintuitive and directly benefits the oppressors by invalidating the less visible, the "not as oppressed" class' issues by labeling them as "not enough."

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Types and traits typical of marginalized groups are not in a vacuum. There is intersectionality in everything, you can't analyze and label marginalized groups as "less oppressed" and "'more oppressed" when speaking about inclusivity in certain MOGAI spaces. It's counterintuitive and directly benefits the oppressors by invalidating the less visible, the "not as oppressed" class' issues by labeling them as "not enough."

which is why I acknowledge that they should have advocacy but the advocacy is not the same advocacy people in the LGBT community require.

So, where do you propose that we (asexuals) go to find people with "similar discrimination experiences" to us? What exactly are you proposing that we do?

I don't know, and I don't have a solution, so I will stop talking.

 

[Earthbound64]

I don't know, and I don't have a solution, so I will stop talking.

Well, you seem to know plenty about what we shouldn't be doing.

 

[Poor GRIMES]

which is why I acknowledge that they should have advocacy but the advocacy is not the same advocacy people in the LGBT community require.

Your original post was that cishet aces are by definition "hetero," indicating that they're of a more privileged class by simply having a slight privilege on their identity compared to other marginalized classes.

I can quickly turn around and tell trans White women to fuck off by highlighting one aspect of themselves that is by definition, "privileged." Or how I can do that for cis White gay men or cis White gay women, but I'm not about to do that because I don't want to make anybody who already is seen and vilified in the mainstream as the "other." I just hope that other LGBT+ people stop acting a fool and stop throwing shade at groups that are stigmatized. The fuck are they supposed to go if even WE say "nah, you can't sit with us."

 

[playingwithfire]

Source.

While those ignorant comments are annoying, they're not quite on the same level of discrimination that people are normally referring to...

 

[The_Kid]

Regardless, even if people who identify as asexual do not share the same discrimination other people do, it does nothing productive to exclude them. If we're going for the oppression olympics, a gay white male (me) isn't going to have the same battles as someone who is say, black and a lesbian. It doesn't make my place in the community any less. People who are asexual probably go through a whole host of different issues that I can't even imagine. Its hard for me to even understand sometimes.

 

[Jombie]

I've never heard of a rock being thrown at someone or being denied service because they were asexual.

 

[purseowner]

I've never heard of a rock being thrown at someone or being denied service because they were asexual.

All it takes is a brief Google search to understand the discrimination that asexual people do face.

 

[Earthbound64]

I've never heard of a rock being thrown at someone or being denied service because they were asexual.

How about being physically assaulted?
How about being raped?

Regardless, even if people who identify as asexual do not share the same discrimination other people do, it does nothing productive to exclude them.

Seriously.

 

[PaulExcellent]

Some of these posts are kinda trash.
I'm used to seeing stuff like this, tho.
My b for having it so easy, I guess.

Anyone here that doesn't think A matters because "my type aren't oppressed enough" can go to hell. Congrats on being the EXACT SAME as the close-minded people you're trying to teach. It's not a contest. It's about accepting everyone, no matter what your personal whack-ass interpretation of gay is.

This is just too much. How can anyone take all this seriously?

I say this knowing how serious a topic this is. The acronym is ridiculous and needs to be shortened and streamlined while including all "alternative" sexualities.

At my college, it's mostly referred to as LGBTQ+ by the members of the community I hang with and my old frat.

Yeah, there's quite a bit to it, but not enough to really get too far. If you really want to keep it short, probs go with that, but learning the rest is good as well.

 

[gaiages]

How about being physically assaulted?
How about being raped?



Seriously.

No one seems to be making that "the discrimination is just not as bad" comparasion against all the other umbrella types and trans people (which almost assuredly get the worst discrimination of the bunch) so I'm really failing to understand why it's lobbed against asexuals so much

 

[WaffleTaco]

The problem I have with excluding asexuals is that if we start excluding anyone who appears "normal" (those that pass as cishet individuals) is that the line becomes very messy.

If a bi or pan person ends up in a cis heterosexual relationship, does that mean they shouldn't go to Pride or be included in the community? After all they pass as "normal" to everyone.

What about a transgender individual who passes as cis and happens to be straight as well.

What about a cis het passing single gay man or woman whose partner dies and they decide that they don't want to date anyone?

We could come up with a variety of different situations in which one might not experience discrimination on the surface, but are still part of the community. Gay pride isn't about who suffered more, it's about being able to have pride in one's self and who they are. Asexuals have largely been misunderstood by society as large and wondered where they belong in the world, and they should be able to take pride in who they are.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

lgbtqia

it makes me annoyed when people say the a is ally. it's not. if you're an ally, that's cool. you're not lgbt+. you're a heterosexual with common decency. a is for asexuality.

q is also for queer, questioning falls under the umbrella of the other letters.

 

[spazchicken]

LGBTQ+

They get a plus sign.

LGBTQIÖÄÅ could be replaced with just a D for Diversity.

But anyway, the letters representing sexuality do not exclude anything. Anyone is welcome.

No
LGBTQAI+ = lesbian, gay, bi, trans, queer/questioning, asexual, intersex

People use to stop at the T, now most people stop at the Q

Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transsexual
Questioning
Intersexed
Asexual

LGBTQIA

There's also 2S after that. I've also seen two Qs for Queer & Questioning.

This is just too much. How can anyone take all this seriously?

I say this knowing how serious a topic this is. The acronym is ridiculous and needs to be shortened and streamlined while including all "alternative" sexualities.

 

[Izuna]

My opinion is that asexuality shares so much in common on the outside with numerous other ailments, that it is so misunderstood, those who consider themselves asexual haven't even come to a consensus on what it means. When someone with the same perceived symptoms gets mitigated via treatment methods, it further something requires asexuality to be distinct to not be likened to LGBT. Especially when such treatment methods of love sickness, lack of sex drive, or whatever else people associate (just do a search on Google for "I don't find anyone attractive" are so young and varied ~~ it's not in many doctors' interest to accept that asexuality is a thing that they can diagnose.

My understanding of asexual people is that they can have sex and they can enjoy sex. Enjoy, meaning arousal or achieving orgasm. The distinction, in my understanding, is that there's no desire preceding arousal. The same sort os desire that lets non-bisexual people know which sex they prefer or just in general, who we would want to shag vs. who we don't. It's not that asexuality* means a phobia of sex.

But as mentioned, I'm sure people will disagree with me. People who consider themselves asexual and people who don't.

It's complicated because it's very easy to misunderstand. Until it becomes a word with a strict and easy definition such as "likes this" or "likes that", "wants this" or "feels like that", it will be an ambiguous label that, in my opinion, runs the risk of having people misunderstanding themselves and possibly missing the many treatments that are available for ailments that match one or some of the definitions different people have.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

This is just too much. How can anyone take all this seriously?

I say this knowing how serious a topic this is. The acronym is ridiculous and needs to be shortened and streamlined while including all "alternative" sexualities.

it's very very easy actually.

 

[Sai-kun]

This is just too much. How can anyone take all this seriously?

I say this knowing how serious a topic this is. The acronym is ridiculous and needs to be shortened and streamlined while including all "alternative" sexualities.

be a better ally

it's not our responsibility to make things 'easier' for you. it's not a lot of letters to remember.

 

[Earthbound64]

My opinion is that asexuality shares so much in common on the outside with numerous other ailments

[...]

When someone with the same perceived symptoms gets mitigated via treatment methods

[...]

It's complicated because it's very easy to misunderstand. Until it becomes a word with a strict and easy definition such as "likes this" or "likes that", "wants this" or "feels like that", it will be an ambiguous label that, in my opinion, runs the risk of having people misunderstanding themselves and possibly missing the many treatments that are available for ailments that match one or some of the definitions different people have.

What in the serious f*** is this post?

 

[SomedayTheFire]

What in the serious f*** is this post?

I really hope they just used the wrong word.

 

[SnakeXs]

Are there stories of asexual people going about their day and being discriminated against? Called names while keeping to themselves? Being physically hurt because of their orientation?

 

[Earthbound64]

I really hope they just used the wrong word.

I thought that at first. But they used it multiple times, and in conjunction with "medical treatment," leads me to think otherwise.

Are there stories of asexual people going about their day and being discriminated against? Called names while keeping to themselves? Being physically hurt because of their orientation?

Yes.

What did you hope to accomplish by this post?

 

[Izuna]

What in the serious f*** is this post?

I'm not saying LGBTQ is an ailment, I'm saying say that there are illnesses that give similar symptoms to what too many people thinks that makes someone asexual.

I gave the example of sex drive. Anyone who bothers to talk about asexuality (at least I hope) knows that it has nothing to do with lack of sex drive -- which can be caused by a number of medical reasons and can be treated. It's blurry and complicated until we all know what definition we have for asexuality.

Just looking at the first page on google and almost all of the support websites have different semantics that may or may include certain people.

 

[Earthbound64]

I'm not saying LGBTQ is an ailment, I'm saying say that there are illnesses that give similar symptoms to what too many people thinks that makes someone asexual.

That makes a bit more sense.
Although, I'm not sure how it's helpful with regards to the conversation.

 

[SnakeXs]

I thought that at first. But they used it multiple times, and in conjunction with "medical treatment," leads me to think otherwise.




Yes.

What did you hope to accomplish by this post?

I was asking a question. What were you hoping to accomplish with your unnecessary snark?

 

[Laiza]

This is just too much. How can anyone take all this seriously?

I say this knowing how serious a topic this is. The acronym is ridiculous and needs to be shortened and streamlined while including all "alternative" sexualities.

If you really don't want to use LGBTQIA (it's just three more letters from "LGBT" though...), GSM for "Gender/Sexual Minorities" works just as well.

Personally I think we should phase into using the latter to avoid having to balloon the acronym any further, but LGBTQIA has so much traction that I doubt that's ever going to happen.

 

[Earthbound64]

I was asking a question. What were you hoping to accomplish with your unnecessary snark?

"I was asking a question"?
Oh, alright.
Well, you got your answer.
So, where to now?

 

[Poor GRIMES]

I was asking a question. What were you hoping to accomplish with your unnecessary snark?

If you take a pause and read the thread or the very page you're posting in at the very least, then you'll see people directly delegitimizing ace issues within and outside the LGBT+ community. They probably misinterpreted your post as a snide remark, I wouldn't blame them.

 

[Izuna]

That makes a bit more sense.
Although, I'm not sure how it's helpful with regards to the conversation.

I mentioned it because it leads up to my conclusion, which is an answer to the thread title.

"Why isn't asexuality included in pride?"

Because we don't know that asexuality means and if it's too broad it not completely good.

 

[PaulExcellent]

Are there stories of asexual people going about their day and being discriminated against? Called names while keeping to themselves? Being physically hurt because of their orientation?

Yeah.
What does that have to do with the lack of representation?
If I get harassed because of a different reason than you, I don't count? lol

I'm not saying LGBTQ is an ailment, I'm saying say that there are illnesses that give similar symptoms to what too many people thinks that makes someone asexual.

OK, then what it the person is 100% sure?
Who are you to say what they feel/identify as? Why does it even matter?

 

[SomedayTheFire]

I was asking a question. What were you hoping to accomplish with your unnecessary snark?

i mean, are you reading the thread you're posting in? if you were your question was already answered.

 

[Poor GRIMES]

I mentioned it because it leads up to my conclusion, which is an answer to the thread title.

"Why isn't asexuality included in pride?"

Because we don't know that asexuality means and if it's too broad it not completely good.

Queer and questioning are meant to be all-encompassing identifiers for people in the community and they are included.

 

[Earthbound64]

I mentioned it because it leads up to my conclusion, which is an answer to the thread title.

"Why isn't asexuality included in pride?"

Because we don't know that asexuality means and if it's too broad it not completely good.

So because you don't have a rigid, solid, unchanging definition of something, it means it shouldn't be included in something?
That's beyond absurd.

 

[Izuna]

Are there stories of asexual people going about their day and being discriminated against? Called names while keeping to themselves? Being physically hurt because of their orientation?

Does it fucking matter?

People feel marginalised and unrepresented. I mean, shit. My basic ass university had a student video rolling for everyone to see on asexual people feeling like the world doesn't understand them. Who cares if they're attacked or not, the point is, is that they miss out on inclusion and that can cause depression and even suicide. "What's wrong with me?" they think, "What's wrong with you?", others say.