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Why the PlayStation 5 still using Bluray will make most of its revealed specs useless and void, and why they should ditch it for alternatives.

Lord Malachite

Lord Malachite

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Freedom Gate Co. said:
Im still here. I'll have an article breaking things down for you alo by tomorrow or Monday. A lot of people here are getting the disc itself mixed up with the software on the disc and the article will break it down better than my attempts. Maybe even two articles.
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zeomax

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Freedom Gate Co. said:
A lot of people here are getting the disc itself mixed up with the software on the disc and the article will break it down better than my attempts.
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Only one person here is mixing up the software on the disc and the disc itself. You!

Darkangel said:
I've spent some time analyzing OP's posts and I've come up with two plausible theories that could potentially explain what the fuck he's talking about.

THEORY 1: The "Blu-ray Filesystem Theory"

Blu-ray discs are formatted using some variant of UDF. The UDF format is fairly old and was not designed to utilize the speed advantages of flash memory (or NVME SSD storage like the PS5 will probably have). This guy seems to think that when a game is installed to the PS4 it is done by creating a new UDF partition on the PS4 HDD then cloning the contents of the Blu-ray disc. Thus in his head the game is still stored in a "disc-based" format that completely bottlenecks SSD storage. Obviously this doesn't fucking happen and even if it did the files would still have way faster I/O performance than if they were on a HDD.
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That was my theory too. He thinks that the PS4 creates some kind of a virtual disc drive, with the same limitations as the actual disc drive, on the HDD/SSD and clones the disc to this virtual drive.
 
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xGreir

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I can't believe this is happening, I'm so excited to know with what will he come about next that I could probably piss myself

He is a genius in his own omfg
 
ShawnMichael651

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I keep trying to care but I just can't because of 3 little words "1st Party Titles." Nothing else honestly matters. 99% of this article is pure conjecture until the final product releases anyway. Let us not forget Cerny said in his Wired interview this box has been in developers hands for 3 years. They are constantly asking THEM the DEV's what they want and need from this machine and that these specs may not be the final format this machine takes. From what it sounds like nobody in DevLand is telling him to remove the Blu-Ray optical drive and go with a digital-only platform.
 
Freedom Gate Co.

Freedom Gate Co.

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It is very simple to explain why your SSD's won't help and why the BR format will hinder many of the "revealed" PS4 features, as vindication is received:

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Blu-ray-players-so-slow
The time required for a movie to start is dependent on both the player and the disc. As with power-on, most current players are much faster to start playing a disc than previous generations. However, how the disc is authored can have a greater impact on startup time. For instance, many discs will check to see if a player is internet-connected, and if so check to see if an update is available for the disc, which if available must be downloaded and stored in player memory.
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This doesn't change if a bluray is "installed" on to an SSD. The checks still happen and because of that as shown, consumers are wondering why there is constant slowness with Bluray movies. When you install the game or movie to the SSD or even faster than BR HDD, the codecs and DRM are still there and they still run the check. But they do it the same way as if the disc was still in a Bluray player, so unlike modern digital files that check near instant the installed Bluray files will still move at Bluray place SSD or not. At the same slow speeds and nowhere near the instant speeds that modern open digital files have. As Bluray is proprietary.

buying media that supports a higher write speed presents no direct benefit, BR is a WORM (Write Once, Read Many) type media, write/read speeds of SSD drives should be much of a concern since you are only installing to a singular drive, and that single SSD does not have enough alone to FORCE a significant speed upgrade. At best, if you're lucky, you'll get a bit of a speed boost depending on the software on the disc, but it will be marginal.

Even on Neogaf.com you can see conversations of this:

I did some time test when the PS4 Pro SSD launched and didn't notice any difference vs on PS4 SSD.
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This is because the Pro SSD is hindered by the same source Bluray cap as the regular PS4 that uses a SLOWER SSD. Yet both SSD drives are faster than BR, so why are things still slow for both? That's because the software of the Bluray is still in the files once you install them to the SSD. The cap is a real thing, at best you get a marginal loading boost, mostly for menu's, and in many cases you don't notice.

No noticable advantage, Sony capped the transfer speed and reserve it for background download stuffs so sata3 won't make a difference. Ssd on the pro load the same as standard ps4.
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This guy says Sony but it's actually not Sony's fault, it's Blurays. Sony has to design the transfer speeds around the disc drive and the software that supports it, they couldn't make the cap higher because it would be pointless. You can't get around the Bluray cap. People keep thinking there's no Cap but there is a software cap and since the installed BR files are now digital since they are no longer attached to hardware there's no way to brute force speed increases. With physical you can brute force speed increases with 16x, 32x BR drives, but once it's digital that can't work, even with SSD.

When you move files, the CPU doesn't really have to do anything to the data - most of the heavy lifting is done by DMA. The CPU is much more involved during load times in games, as data structures in memory are different than data structures on disk, and that can't be handled by DMA. So the same CPU can be a bottleneck for game loading without being a bottleneck for file copying.
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So with this, it's also not the CPU or GPU's (obviously) fault. So the only thing left is literally the software in the Bluray. It's the only thing that can be blamed, there's no way around it. It's the only thing left that can cause an obstruction great enough to impact transfer speeds.

So the software as it's downloaded to the SSD, is still the same software in the Bluray disc, not a virtual drive like some people in the thread said because they are getting hardware and software mixed up. The software in the BR, is designed with the BR drive in mind and the common format rules of the BR corporation group. So that all BR players play BR's the same way across the board for every OEM, outside drive speeds, which are physical ways to brute force speed increases. You can't so it digitally.

But them we have to get into the health reasons as well why Bluray should be scrapped.

ANOTHER BIG REASON why Bluray needs to be kicked from the PS5, is because people ARE DYING. Bluray has been dangerous for years, but because money has pushed it artificially to the frontlines for years, it's been causing damage to peoples bodies, making them blind, giving them cancer and other illness related diseases, produced radiations, and other big problems:

https://www.gearbest.com/blog/how-to/the-harm-and-source-of-blu-ray-3224
1. Damage structure
Harmful Blu-ray has extremely high energy and can penetrate the lens to the retina, causing atrophy and even death of retinal pigment epithelial cells. The death of light-sensitive cells can lead to loss of vision, which is irreversible. Blu-ray can also cause macular lesions. In human eyes, the lens absorbs part of the Blu-ray to form cataracts, and most of the Blu-ray penetrates the lens, especially in children, the lens is clearer and cannot effectively resist the Blu-ray. As a result, macular lesions and cataracts are more likely to occur.

2. Asthenopia
Due to the short wavelength of Blu-ray, the focal point is not in the center of the retina, but in the front of the retina. If you want to see clearly, the eyeball will be in a tense state for a long time, causing visual fatigue. Long period of visual fatigue may lead to the deepening of myopia, the appearance of diplopia, the easy serial reading, the inability to concentrate attention and so on, which may affect people's study and work efficiency.

3. Not sleeping well
Blu-ray inhibits melatonin, an important hormone that affects sleep, and is known to promote sleep and regulate jet lag. This also explains why playing with mobile phones or tablets before bedtime can cause poor sleep quality or even difficulty falling asleep.

The source of Blu-ray
Blu-ray is abundant in computer display, fluorescent lamp, mobile phone, and digital product, display screen, led and so on. The Blu-ray in this wavelength can increase the amount of macular toxin in the eyes, which is a serious threat to the health of our eyes.


Blu-ray can be seen everywhere in daily life, but the harmful Blu-ray comes from led LCD screen. Now the LCD screen is using the led backlight. Because the backlight needs white light, the industry uses blue led and yellow phosphors to form white light. Because the blue led is a main hardware, the blue spectrum in this white light has a wave peak, which causes what we call harmful Blu-ray damage to the eyes.


Most families choose to watch TV before bedtime; even many people will turn off the lights while watching TV, combined with flashing screen and other factors, resulting in harmful Blu-ray damage to the eyes. And because of the long time spent watching TV, the damage will be even greater. Due to harmful Blu-ray damage to the eyes is cumulative, so the injury of TV Blu-ray to the eyes should be paid enough attention, especially for teenagers and children.
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Most people are ill-informed so don't realize the many things they use daily causing massive permanent harm to the. But the millions of people sick or deceased due to the dangers of Bluray as shown above is something that corporations should be forced to answer for. Especially Sony and Microsoft which have been pedaling the format into the electronic consumer gaming industry.

The damage is irreversible.
 
Afro Republican

Afro Republican

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Freedom Gate Co. said:
It is very simple to explain why your SSD's won't help and why the BR format will hinder many of the "revealed" PS4 features, as vindication is received:

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Blu-ray-players-so-slow


This doesn't change if a bluray is "installed" on to an SSD. The checks still happen and because of that as shown, consumers are wondering why there is constant slowness with Bluray movies. When you install the game or movie to the SSD or even faster than BR HDD, the codecs and DRM are still there and they still run the check. But they do it the same way as if the disc was still in a Bluray player, so unlike modern digital files that check near instant the installed Bluray files will still move at Bluray place SSD or not. At the same slow speeds and nowhere near the instant speeds that modern open digital files have. As Bluray is proprietary.

buying media that supports a higher write speed presents no direct benefit, BR is a WORM (Write Once, Read Many) type media, write/read speeds of SSD drives should be much of a concern since you are only installing to a singular drive, and that single SSD does not have enough alone to FORCE a significant speed upgrade. At best, if you're lucky, you'll get a bit of a speed boost depending on the software on the disc, but it will be marginal.

Even on Neogaf.com you can see conversations of this:

@DunDunDunpachi Get in here.




This is because the Pro SSD is hindered by the same source Bluray cap as the regular PS4 that uses a SLOWER SSD. Yet both SSD drives are faster than BR, so why are things still slow for both? That's because the software of the Bluray is still in the files once you install them to the SSD. The cap is a real thing, at best you get a marginal loading boost, mostly for menu's, and in many cases you don't notice.



This guy says Sony but it's actually not Sony's fault, it's Blurays. Sony has to design the transfer speeds around the disc drive and the software that supports it, they couldn't make the cap higher because it would be pointless. You can't get around the Bluray cap. People keep thinking there's no Cap but there is a software cap and since the installed BR files are now digital since they are no longer attached to hardware there's no way to brute force speed increases. With physical you can brute force speed increases with 16x, 32x BR drives, but once it's digital that can't work, even with SSD.



So with this, it's also not the CPU or GPU's (obviously) fault. So the only thing left is literally the software in the Bluray. It's the only thing that can be blamed, there's no way around it. It's the only thing left that can cause an obstruction great enough to impact transfer speeds.

So the software as it's downloaded to the SSD, is still the same software in the Bluray disc, not a virtual drive like some people in the thread said because they are getting hardware and software mixed up. The software in the BR, is designed with the BR drive in mind and the common format rules of the BR corporation group. So that all BR players play BR's the same way across the board for every OEM, outside drive speeds, which are physical ways to brute force speed increases. You can't so it digitally.

But them we have to get into the health reasons as well why Bluray should be scrapped.

ANOTHER BIG REASON why Bluray needs to be kicked from the PS5, is because people ARE DYING. Bluray has been dangerous for years, but because money has pushed it artificially to the frontlines for years, it's been causing damage to peoples bodies, making them blind, giving them cancer and other illness related diseases, produced radiations, and other big problems:

https://www.gearbest.com/blog/how-to/the-harm-and-source-of-blu-ray-3224


Most people are ill-informed so don't realize the many things they use daily causing massive permanent harm to the. But the millions of people sick or deceased due to the dangers of Bluray as shown above is something that corporations should be forced to answer for. Especially Sony and Microsoft which have been pedaling the format into the electronic consumer gaming industry.

The damage is irreversible.
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xGreir

xGreir

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Freedom Gate Co. said:
It is very simple to explain why your SSD's won't help and why the BR format will hinder many of the "revealed" PS4 features, as vindication is received:

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Blu-ray-players-so-slow


This doesn't change if a bluray is "installed" on to an SSD. The checks still happen and because of that as shown, consumers are wondering why there is constant slowness with Bluray movies. When you install the game or movie to the SSD or even faster than BR HDD, the codecs and DRM are still there and they still run the check. But they do it the same way as if the disc was still in a Bluray player, so unlike modern digital files that check near instant the installed Bluray files will still move at Bluray place SSD or not. At the same slow speeds and nowhere near the instant speeds that modern open digital files have. As Bluray is proprietary.

buying media that supports a higher write speed presents no direct benefit, BR is a WORM (Write Once, Read Many) type media, write/read speeds of SSD drives should be much of a concern since you are only installing to a singular drive, and that single SSD does not have enough alone to FORCE a significant speed upgrade. At best, if you're lucky, you'll get a bit of a speed boost depending on the software on the disc, but it will be marginal.

Even on Neogaf.com you can see conversations of this:



This is because the Pro SSD is hindered by the same source Bluray cap as the regular PS4 that uses a SLOWER SSD. Yet both SSD drives are faster than BR, so why are things still slow for both? That's because the software of the Bluray is still in the files once you install them to the SSD. The cap is a real thing, at best you get a marginal loading boost, mostly for menu's, and in many cases you don't notice.



This guy says Sony but it's actually not Sony's fault, it's Blurays. Sony has to design the transfer speeds around the disc drive and the software that supports it, they couldn't make the cap higher because it would be pointless. You can't get around the Bluray cap. People keep thinking there's no Cap but there is a software cap and since the installed BR files are now digital since they are no longer attached to hardware there's no way to brute force speed increases. With physical you can brute force speed increases with 16x, 32x BR drives, but once it's digital that can't work, even with SSD.



So with this, it's also not the CPU or GPU's (obviously) fault. So the only thing left is literally the software in the Bluray. It's the only thing that can be blamed, there's no way around it. It's the only thing left that can cause an obstruction great enough to impact transfer speeds.

So the software as it's downloaded to the SSD, is still the same software in the Bluray disc, not a virtual drive like some people in the thread said because they are getting hardware and software mixed up. The software in the BR, is designed with the BR drive in mind and the common format rules of the BR corporation group. So that all BR players play BR's the same way across the board for every OEM, outside drive speeds, which are physical ways to brute force speed increases. You can't so it digitally.

But them we have to get into the health reasons as well why Bluray should be scrapped.

ANOTHER BIG REASON why Bluray needs to be kicked from the PS5, is because people ARE DYING. Bluray has been dangerous for years, but because money has pushed it artificially to the frontlines for years, it's been causing damage to peoples bodies, making them blind, giving them cancer and other illness related diseases, produced radiations, and other big problems:

https://www.gearbest.com/blog/how-to/the-harm-and-source-of-blu-ray-3224


Most people are ill-informed so don't realize the many things they use daily causing massive permanent harm to the. But the millions of people sick or deceased due to the dangers of Bluray as shown above is something that corporations should be forced to answer for. Especially Sony and Microsoft which have been pedaling the format into the electronic consumer gaming industry.

The damage is irreversible.
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HOW DID WE ESCALATE TO PEOPLE DYING, CARL?? I'M AFRAID

But I have to recognise you:

Your mastery confusing BD with Blue rays from light outputs is just... Magnificent :messenger_relieved:
 
Afro Republican

Afro Republican

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Freedom Gate Co. said:
It is very simple to explain why your SSD's won't help and why the BR format will hinder many of the "revealed" PS4 features, as vindication is received:
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Lol vindication.

This doesn't change if a bluray is "installed" on to an SSD. The checks still happen and because of that as shown, consumers are wondering why there is constant slowness with Bluray movies. When you install the game or movie to the SSD or even faster than BR HDD, the codecs and DRM are still there and they still run the check. But they do it the same way as if the disc was still in a Bluray player, so unlike modern digital files that check near instant the installed Bluray files will still move at Bluray place SSD or not. At the same slow speeds and nowhere near the instant speeds that modern open digital files have. As Bluray is proprietary.

buying media that supports a higher write speed presents no direct benefit, BR is a WORM (Write Once, Read Many) type media, write/read speeds of SSD drives should be much of a concern since you are only installing to a singular drive, and that single SSD does not have enough alone to FORCE a significant speed upgrade. At best, if you're lucky, you'll get a bit of a speed boost depending on the software on the disc, but it will be marginal.
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This is incredibly deceitful because the link is talking about speeds when booting a Blu Ray player and actually playing the disc in said Blu Ray player. You took parts of the answer out so you can pretend that it was talking about "digital speeds" which shows you are running out of ways to save your argument. if you could call it that.

Also yes, Blu Ray is write once, read many, what does any of that have to do with Blu Ray capping SSD drives? You took a completely unrelated subject and tried to spin it as something that supports your wild claims. WORM doesn't have anything to do with speed caps. NOTHING.

Even on Neogaf.com you can see conversations of this:
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Good thing you don't link the thread so there's no context for any of these posts.

This is because the Pro SSD is hindered by the same source Bluray cap as the regular PS4 that uses a SLOWER SSD. Yet both SSD drives are faster than BR, so why are things still slow for both? That's because the software of the Bluray is still in the files once you install them to the SSD. The cap is a real thing, at best you get a marginal loading boost, mostly for menu's, and in many cases you don't notice
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The post doesn't even talk about the speeds of the drives themselves, what the heck are you talking about????

This guy says Sony but it's actually not Sony's fault, it's Blurays. Sony has to design the transfer speeds around the disc drive and the software that supports it, they couldn't make the cap higher because it would be pointless. You can't get around the Bluray cap. People keep thinking there's no Cap but there is a software cap and since the installed BR files are now digital since they are no longer attached to hardware there's no way to brute force speed increases. With physical you can brute force speed increases with 16x, 32x BR drives, but once it's digital that can't work, even with SSD.
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This might be the biggest spin in the history of this website. The post you quoted is talking about something completely different then what you wrote here. you don't even need a link to the original thread to see that.

So with this, it's also not the CPU or GPU's (obviously) fault. So the only thing left is literally the software in the Bluray. It's the only thing that can be blamed, there's no way around it. It's the only thing left that can cause an obstruction great enough to impact transfer speeds.
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Did you forget your own argument? You were never talking about transfer speeds, you were talking about loading times off an SSD. WHAT DO TRANSFER SPEEDS have to do with ANYTHING???

ANOTHER BIG REASON why Bluray needs to be kicked from the PS5, is because ;) ;) ;)people ARE DYING ;) ;) ;). Bluray has been dangerous for years, but because money has pushed it artificially to the frontlines for years, it's been causing damage to peoples bodies, making them blind, giving them cancer and other illness related diseases, produced radiations, and other big problems: Most people are ill-informed so don't realize the many things they use daily causing massive permanent harm to the. But the millions of people sick or deceased due to the dangers of Bluray as shown above is something that corporations should be forced to answer for. Especially Sony and Microsoft which have been pedaling the format into the electronic consumer gaming industry.
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I'm done. That's it, there's nothing left here. I no longer have the ability to decipher and respond to these..........I don't even know what these are anymore. You guys can have a go but yeahhhhhhh. Everyone be safe out there, millions of people are dying every day because of threads like t- I mean Blu Ray.
 
zeomax

zeomax

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The time required for a movie to start is dependent on both the player and the disc. As with power-on, most current players are much faster to start playing a disc than previous generations. However, how the disc is authored can have a greater impact on startup time. For instance, many discs will check to see if a player is internet-connected, and if so check to see if an update is available for the disc, which if available must be downloaded and stored in player memory.
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Thats the whole point why we install games an a hard drive. To get rid of the disc drive limitations. And second, in your link they are talking about a movie Blu-Ray, where the player need constantly reads the data from the disc as the movie plays.
 
Silent Duck

Silent Duck

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Freedom Gate Co. said:
It is very simple to explain why your SSD's won't help and why the BR format will hinder many of the "revealed" PS4 features, as vindication is received:

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Blu-ray-players-so-slow


This doesn't change if a bluray is "installed" on to an SSD. The checks still happen and because of that as shown, consumers are wondering why there is constant slowness with Bluray movies. When you install the game or movie to the SSD or even faster than BR HDD, the codecs and DRM are still there and they still run the check. But they do it the same way as if the disc was still in a Bluray player, so unlike modern digital files that check near instant the installed Bluray files will still move at Bluray place SSD or not. At the same slow speeds and nowhere near the instant speeds that modern open digital files have. As Bluray is proprietary.

buying media that supports a higher write speed presents no direct benefit, BR is a WORM (Write Once, Read Many) type media, write/read speeds of SSD drives should be much of a concern since you are only installing to a singular drive, and that single SSD does not have enough alone to FORCE a significant speed upgrade. At best, if you're lucky, you'll get a bit of a speed boost depending on the software on the disc, but it will be marginal.

Even on Neogaf.com you can see conversations of this:



This is because the Pro SSD is hindered by the same source Bluray cap as the regular PS4 that uses a SLOWER SSD. Yet both SSD drives are faster than BR, so why are things still slow for both? That's because the software of the Bluray is still in the files once you install them to the SSD. The cap is a real thing, at best you get a marginal loading boost, mostly for menu's, and in many cases you don't notice.



This guy says Sony but it's actually not Sony's fault, it's Blurays. Sony has to design the transfer speeds around the disc drive and the software that supports it, they couldn't make the cap higher because it would be pointless. You can't get around the Bluray cap. People keep thinking there's no Cap but there is a software cap and since the installed BR files are now digital since they are no longer attached to hardware there's no way to brute force speed increases. With physical you can brute force speed increases with 16x, 32x BR drives, but once it's digital that can't work, even with SSD.



So with this, it's also not the CPU or GPU's (obviously) fault. So the only thing left is literally the software in the Bluray. It's the only thing that can be blamed, there's no way around it. It's the only thing left that can cause an obstruction great enough to impact transfer speeds.

So the software as it's downloaded to the SSD, is still the same software in the Bluray disc, not a virtual drive like some people in the thread said because they are getting hardware and software mixed up. The software in the BR, is designed with the BR drive in mind and the common format rules of the BR corporation group. So that all BR players play BR's the same way across the board for every OEM, outside drive speeds, which are physical ways to brute force speed increases. You can't so it digitally.

But them we have to get into the health reasons as well why Bluray should be scrapped.

ANOTHER BIG REASON why Bluray needs to be kicked from the PS5, is because people ARE DYING. Bluray has been dangerous for years, but because money has pushed it artificially to the frontlines for years, it's been causing damage to peoples bodies, making them blind, giving them cancer and other illness related diseases, produced radiations, and other big problems:

https://www.gearbest.com/blog/how-to/the-harm-and-source-of-blu-ray-3224


Most people are ill-informed so don't realize the many things they use daily causing massive permanent harm to the. But the millions of people sick or deceased due to the dangers of Bluray as shown above is something that corporations should be forced to answer for. Especially Sony and Microsoft which have been pedaling the format into the electronic consumer gaming industry.

The damage is irreversible.
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Afro Republican

Afro Republican

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Hellgardia said:
I honestly didn't expect i would read all these thread pages but this was golden and a lot of fun. I had to login just to say - Thanks OP!
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He believes he is now 100% vindicated with that last post which involved quoting from a thread without linking it and a bunch of question & answer posts taken out of context.

Never did hear from this "Timothy Bunton" guy, but I think I already called he was going to scrap that lol.
 
nowhat

nowhat

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Freedom Gate Co. said:
Is this not a true statement?
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Laser can be harmful to the eyes, yes. If a laser makes its way out of a Blu-Ray player (or a DVD/CD player), the device is defective, this will not happen under normal running conditions. Blue light (that has fuck all to do with Blu-Ray) can for example inhibit the production of melatonin, thus causing insomnia, this is well documented too. But really. If you're not just trolling, don't you find suspect that a blog post on a site touting the harmful effects of blue light has also links where to get such products, on the same site? Not suspicious at all?
 
Freedom Gate Co.

Freedom Gate Co.

Banned
wutnau said:
Laser can be harmful to the eyes, yes. If a laser makes its way out of a Blu-Ray player (or a DVD/CD player), the device is defective, this will not happen under normal running conditions. Blue light (that has fuck all to do with Blu-Ray) can for example inhibit the production of melatonin, thus causing insomnia, this is well documented too. But really. If you're not just trolling, don't you find suspect that a blog post on a site touting the harmful effects of blue light has also links where to get such products, on the same site? Not suspicious at all?
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It's a standard website development feature for keywords to link to storefront sources automatically when a page is generated. You see this with wordpress and AWS. That's why instead of a regular link, it's an underscored link, meaning they were not manually done and only lead to the main pages and not an actual product. Usually you see a dotted underline but sometimes it's a regular underline.

Sometimes it will link to an outside site like Google or Amazon.

But you already admitted that the article isn't wrong, so why not refute the part you think is bad?
 
nowhat

nowhat

Gold Member
Freedom Gate Co. said:
But you already admitted that the article isn't wrong
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Like constantly misusing the term Blu-Ray isn't wrong? That there are a few factually correct things, or at least slightly correct when using the right context and terminology, doesn't mean that it's worth my time to go through it with a fine comb to pick out what's wrong. Again, come back when you have a real scientific article to discuss.
 
Freedom Gate Co.

Freedom Gate Co.

Banned
wutnau said:
Like constantly misusing the term Blu-Ray isn't wrong? That there are a few factually correct things, or at least slightly correct when using the right context and terminology, doesn't mean that it's worth my time to go through it with a fine comb to pick out what's wrong. Again, come back when you have a real scientific article to discuss.
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It's clear you do not have a way to refute the article. So there is no more need for you to grandstand. They are correct and you are nitpicking and being racist against their English skills. That ignorant behavior shows that you do no understand the technology involved. Please come back one day when you actually refute the article.
 
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dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
I’d love an alternative format to Blu-ray without its limitations but I’m not sure how feasible it is. I suspect that, since the disc is used for install only, they have little incentive to push a new format. Everything will run from the hard drive when actually in use.

What I can say is that I am 1000% against an all-digital platform and will fight to the bitter end to reject this. The day we go all digital with no physical media is the day I become a retro gamer exclusively.

The OP is nuts, though.

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Nah... He still too much busy asking for that little resetera gentleman who claim he can make a UE room better than Detroit.
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He’s disappeared and never made that room. :-(
 
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FranXico

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Just for the sake of argument (LOL), people are not going to buy PS5s to open them and then take out that laser source, power it and aim it at their eyes.

Because I have news for you... old-school CD and DVD lasers are also harmful to human eyes. Thankfully, not only are optical disc readers properly sealed to prevent the laser from being emitted to the outside, people have also historically not been stupid enough to do what I described above... as far as I know.

Also of note, that "research" you pointed at fails to take note that not all blue-light LEDs are Blu-Rays. Blu-Ray laser actually is near ultraviolet (edge of the visible spectrum).
Another curiousity: HD-DVD and Blu-Ray both use near ultraviolet wavelength (with the higher data storage density of Blu-Ray discs owed to optics, with higher power lenses).
Take some time to sink that in, OP. By your own argument, HD-DVD could be just as lethal as Blu-Ray.

(Edited a technicality).
 
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