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Wii U Community Thread
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Father_Brain
Banned
The truth hurts.
metalslimer
Member
I don't think they won't ever get 3rd party support. Only that taking a wait and see approach is the opposite way to get gamers interested in your titles. We're talking about fucking ports here, not some ground up game. If publishers aren't even confident enough to make a bunch of ports that says something. The only chance I see at Nintendo ever get full 3rd party backing would be if the other two fucked up to the point where western 3rd parties were forced into it.
Edit: And we already have ShockingAlberto telling us publishers are treating the Wii U more like the Wii with their mentality so none of this is surprising.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yep. It won't ever change for Nintendo unless they team up with a competitor.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Patcher is a moron.
I should have stopped at the bolded part. Why do you need the other controller when the gamepad has the same functionality? And what world is the pro controller gonna sell to make any impact as the controller that it comes with? Patcher is really showing that he knows only about numbers, nothing about the industry outside of numbers and is willing to show how clueless he is to superimpose his ill-informed opinions on the hardware industry.
I'm not upset that he has opinions. I'm upset that he would use his expertise in the financial aspect as collateral to push his uninformed opinion on strategy/hardware and other aspects. Stick with the numbers and let us make guesses. STFU. I guess every asshole has to collaborate with other assholes to continue their conversation.
I should have stopped at the bolded part. Why do you need the other controller when the gamepad has the same functionality? And what world is the pro controller gonna sell to make any impact as the controller that it comes with? Patcher is really showing that he knows only about numbers, nothing about the industry outside of numbers and is willing to show how clueless he is to superimpose his ill-informed opinions on the hardware industry.
I'm not upset that he has opinions. I'm upset that he would use his expertise in the financial aspect as collateral to push his uninformed opinion on strategy/hardware and other aspects. Stick with the numbers and let us make guesses. STFU. I guess every asshole has to collaborate with other assholes to continue their conversation.
The thing is if people treat Nintendo consoles as only first party console and won't buy third party games that's just supporting the problem, I feel like I'm ranting right now but I feel like people assuming the Wii U won't get the third party support you guys wanted because of the N64 and Wii (the GameCube actually got third party support on par with Xbox) is just wrong.
No offense to ShockingAlberto I am not saying he's wrong but he knows every third party company is treating Nintendo like with the Wii?, really?.
Also if a third party game doesn't sell well on a Sony or Microsoft console third party's won't bring there games to those consoles anymore, it's not just Nintendo.
No offense to ShockingAlberto I am not saying he's wrong but he knows every third party company is treating Nintendo like with the Wii?, really?.
Also if a third party game doesn't sell well on a Sony or Microsoft console third party's won't bring there games to those consoles anymore, it's not just Nintendo.
stupidvillager
Member
The problem I see with the wait and see approach is that if 3rd parties are not going to put their bigger games on the Wii U than of course Nintendo first party games will out sell 3rd party. Games will see more on PS360 because of install base alone.
Even if the Wii U will be the most powerful console ever made, 3rd party developers would still say the same thing.
The big western developers are hopeless. As for myself, independent and japanese developers have more chances to support the console.
metalslimer
Member
You seem to have completely forgotten what happened this gen or if not you weren't paying attention.
Game bombs on PS3/360- Oh well I guess it was the fault of the marketing team, and the game,etc.
Bad rushed port railshooter bombs on Wii- drop the console
The difference is 3rd parties did experience major successes on the HD consoles, along with the failures.
well recently it might not mean much but they're was a Ubisoft game that was on the Wii/PS3/360 and the game sold bad on the PS3 and Ubisoft said they won't be bringing anymore of the games in this series to the PS3 anymore.
If Nintendo can make third party's happy than it will be fine, they're is no secret hate against Nintendo, they are company's and they want money so if a third party game sales well they will keep bringing it.
Plus do you remember why third party's didn't always sell amazingly well on the Wii?, it's because the Wii version of multiplats where always the bad version and the skimmed down version while the PS3/360 where the best versions, if the Wii version was just as good it would of been fine.
One example was the Grinder, if that ever came out, everyone said they will buy the Wii version over the PS3/360 version, even when the Wii is weaker than the PS3/360, it doesn't matter what console it is it only matters who has the better version, Gearbox confirmed ACM would be the best on the Wii U, if they didn't have faith in the Wii U they would of just made a bad port.
metalslimer
Member
Of course the difference is they actually tried on those platforms as well. It says something when the biggest 3rd party efforts on Wii (like 3 of them) would be considered B tier projects for the PS3/360.
It baffles my mind how people call the Wii out for games like Dead Space Fucking Extraction and Deadly Creatures bombing.
I understand that. My point is that right or wrong, 3rd parties can point to tangible successes on 360/PS3 when making next gen plans. By and large they cannot do that for Wii U. I agree with the basic point that they never really tried, but what they should have done is in the end irrelevant.
Silas Lang
Member
Oh I'm not worried about the tech, I was just hoping that their future games would be on the platform. But according to the link it's really up to 2k (or whatever future publisher they may have). Its a shame too because Gearbox actually seem excited about developing for the WiiU and using its screen.
Well true, at least they aren't watered down and are actually trying to add something via screen. Comparing the Wii and WiiU, I think the WiiU may have a better chance of carving out a demographic for these games, especially if the online is competent. I enjoyed many of the Wii test games as well. My only grip was there were never any follow ups. :/
I hate that they are doing this. The thing is, I have no interest in Aliens, but Borderlands is right up my alley. They are both shooters, but apart from that they are very different games.
Aliens is more serious, has some scare elements to it, and competitive multiplayer. Borderlands is more light hearted dark comedy, and co-op multiplayer. Aliens while a big name in itself has never really had a big break out game that has been a big seller. Borderlands was a pretty big mainstream game.
Their so different. Borderlands seems like a good fit for a Nintendo console and would probably sell pretty well, while I can see Aliens being a pretty low seller even if it is a great game with amazing graphics and gameplay concepts.
metalslimer
Member
Oh I understand why their Wii U plans are the way they are completely.
Late ports won't sell. That's what western 3rd parties will judge.
This is why I've said in the past Nintendo had better pray somehow the launch is a success on the backs of Batman, ZombiU, AC3, Pikmin 3, etc. If leading the list is NSMBU, Wii Fit U, Nintendoland (if sold separately), the Rabbids game, Sing, and Lego City kiss any core western third party support goodbye.
Looking back I think see what my biggest issue with the E3 presentation was. They presented the Wii U as a system to get if you were a Wii only owner. Not someone that owned a Wii and another system. They didn't aim anything at the person that might have wanted a Wii U but as their sole next generation system for Nintendo games and 3rd party games. Perhaps they couldn't because there is no support at the moment.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I think Ubi are being fairly reasonable, meeting expectations when it comes to wiiU, so let's not put all western 3rd parties in the same bin. Before somebody brings up WatchDogs - I think that's an experiment, and if it proves successful I also think we'll see it on the wiiU sooner than later. Then again, I might be utterly wrong.
Exactly, Nintendo's history has been pretty shit wrt third parties. However CoD sold over the million mark on a system in SD that wasn't known for its online and 'core' gaming. Hopefully things change.
Or actually take on more of a core facing approach. Nintendo's whole style is 'kiddy' for the most part. Their branding, UI, games and industrial design are not your typical 'core' styles. This unfortunately affects their perception.
Yup, until nintendo show they are truly interested in the same markets that developers are. I do think though, that they have definitely made some concessions. I mean I never expected the GamePad pro (such a stupid name, where's the pad!) and to get clicky sticks on the GamePad very much surprised me. We are going to get an account system and who knows what else in the online space.
Overall things are looking up, it's just now up to the sales figures of games to prove 'core' titles can sell and publishers to walk the walk by putting their games on it. If a core game can sell a million on it, I can't see why it wouldn't get ports. That's essentially free money.
2K is with Take Two, they already said they will take the wait and see approach to bring core games to the Wii U, if Borderlands 2 sells well on Wii U that could help GTAV come to Wii U, if all the other confirmed core games sell well that could convince that they're are core gamers on the Wii U that want these type of games.
You know, I hope Wii U at least gets some respect from Japanese third party devs. What do they have to lose? Nintendo owns Japan.
Japanese devs have had so many problems with the jump to HD this gen. I hope they don't jump on the new PS4/720 tech if they aren't ready yet (as in, 6 year MGS5 dev cycle and 20 year FFXV cycle). Wii U is kinda perfect for them in every way.
godofearthx
Neo Member
Watchdogs was running on PC hardware in E3 in real time. We are most likely going to see the same differences of GTA4 in the PC to the console versions. If anyone really cares about the differences that is.
That really is the best bet. That has it's own problems (localization happening at all and how long it takes) but I think western 3rd party support will be low at best.
metalslimer
Member
Assuming you mean 5 because R* already released 2 screens with a crap ton of jaggies that had to be the console version
Father_Brain
Banned
The developers of those titles are all chasing the Western dollar pretty aggressively, so I wouldn't get my hopes up about them pursuing a different path from Western third parties. This also applies to Capcom's main internal console teams.
Which is why Aliens is so important, because it will not be a late port.
Yeah, agreed. Some of those core games need to sell well. Thing is Batman is ancient, Zombi U is a launch exclusive, which usually suffer from launch-itis, and AC3 will be a month or so late right?
I am that person, and that's why I was so livid about E3. I felt like I was shafted and given hand me downs in the form of Batman and unpolished first party games i had little interest in anyway. I really hope that what we've seen is NOT the cream of the third party crop that's coming in the first 3-6 months.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Yeah but this isn't a watered down game or some goofy spin off. GearBox has even said that the Wii U version is the "better" version of the consoles.
lordfroakie
Member
RE6
Monster Hunter 4 HD-I believe this was accidently leaked by capcom
Devils Third
Atlus support
Layton/Yokai Watch
PSO2
FF14
Random Capcom fighter port
Dynasty Warriors
One Piece/Dragon Ball or NB anime game
Yugioh Zexal HD
New Konami IP
Splinter Cell
Hitman
Lucasarts mmo project
Sims/Sim City 5
Indie support
For certain titles yeah (like a decent number of Capcom's), but for titles that still must appeal to Japan for the bulk of its sales, I think Wii U will be a very attractive route.
Sad but true.
Nintendo still seems to be on the thinking that console install base will be the only thing to lure over western third parities. That didn't work with the Wii and it won't work with the Wii-U.
E3 should have highlighted AC III and Darksiders II on the Wii-U a lot more. Show people that those types of games are important to them this generation.
I sure wonder how long this 'wait and see' approach is? I mean how long do they wait to tell if a game like Aliens is selling well enough? They would still then have to take the time to port a game like Borderlands 2 over. Then it would probably be too late and most people who would have wanted it would have already gotten it on a different system.
WHAT???? Any link to this or anything? I haven't heard this rumor. But would love if MH4 came to a console.
Um, sorry can't understand this post. Can you edit it?
Christberg
Member
I'm somewhat more hopeful for decent third party support on Wii U, but would caution folks to not have any expectations until the end of year one (next holiday, not this one.)
I'm betting that "core" (whatever the hell that means) titles will sell better on Wii U than they did on Wii and we'll see somewhat better western third party support as a result. My reasoning is basically what I mentioned previously + generation fatigue setting in on PS360. How much better is still very much up in the air though.
Might just me being selfish though, would like to prune my gaming buys next generation to Wii U + PC + 3DS. Unfortunately the ability for that to happen is largely dependent on what kind of third party support Wii U gets.
Canis lupus
Member
Fixed it, lol sorry.
Catering to "all audiences" does not equal "kiddy".
Having a brand that caters to everyone is far more lucrative and long-lasting (both strategically and length of time in the market) than having a brand that caters to only one type of gamer.
Heh, maybe it's just me, but I still can't figure out what you're trying to say.
"if the games sales well"?
"By wait and see they mean if the game sales will they will bring it. "
???
The "buy" fixed to "by" was the only part I could figure out myself.
There is more to it, they aren't necessairly going to invest into some big super optimized native 5yr-in-development title.
If [those] games sell well, we will get more third party [support]
The test game ofcourse being ofcourse the effortless infamus one.
(cant find an online "wii test cycle# pic at this moment, but im sure most of you are familiar)
Code:
Init_JustAnotherWestern3rd-PartyPublisher()
{
#include standard_public_entertainment_company_structure
#include western_capitalistic_philosophy
#include shareholders_from_military_industrial_complex_and_finance
#include a_ceo_with_economics_degree_only
#include saving_money_is_top_priority
#include priority_to_hire_newbies_for_low_pay
#include bobby_kotick_&_john_ricittelo_picture_in_frame_on_office_walls
#include at_least_we_are_not_as_bad_as_bank_of_america
Those1 = "western 3rd-party publisher's" own test game;
Those2 = indie hit;
Those3 = quality rich AAA title by pub-independent dev;
Those4 = consolized online shooter;
if (NewHardwareReleased == 1){
create_game = Those1;
wait 20;
wait&see_mode = 1;
if (Those1 == "success"){
pub_order_to_slave_dev = Support1;
pub_order_to_licensor_dev = Support2;
}
else if (Those2 == "success"){
pub_order_to_slave_dev1 = Support3;
pub_order_to_slave_dev2 = Support4;
}
else if (Those3 == "success"){
pub_order_to_slave_dev = Support5;
}
else if (Those4 == "success){
pub_order_to_slave_dev = Support6;
}
}
Support1 = make_more_test_games_in_under_2_yrs_asap;
Support2 = please_listen_to_us_our_market_research_shows_that_fans_dont_like_quality;
Support3 = make_browser_game_or_app;
Support4 = make_changes_to_existing_games;
Support5 = attempt_gameplay_replication_with_cosmetic_differences;
Support6 = follow_suit;
}It could be even better but the point has been explained - just saying oh if it works we get more game, yes ... what kind of games is the question, what quality ... etc
The problem is that Aliens:CM is a niche game - Horror FPS isn't exactly a big genre, as we have seen with Dead Space and RE before 4. I don't think it will sell well enough.
I guess I'll wait on Borderlands 2 until it gets cheaper. Sigh...
Fixed Meelow's statement for Hoodbury:
I guess I'll wait on Borderlands 2 until it gets cheaper. Sigh...
Fixed Meelow's statement for Hoodbury:
Exactly. That's what I tried saying on page 179, but I was in the cursed last post of the page so I'm guessing it mostly got passed through as people read the newest page if they use the default 50 posts per page.
Heh, maybe it's just me, but I still can't figure out what you're trying to say.
"if the games sales well"?
"By wait and see they mean if the game sales will they will bring it. "
???
The "buy" fixed to "by" was the only part I could figure out myself.
If the games sell well, third party's will keep supporting the Wii U, is that clear enough?.
I mean Nintendo handhelds always have amazing third party support, Nintendo just has to push it for Wii U.
Yeah I can see Aliens doing poorly all around, I figure the sales they'll be looking at will be relative to sales of it on other platforms.
...barring the usual questionable publisher logic.
Yes, sorry for the typo.
Father_Brain
Banned
The problem is that some of those titles - lower-budget JRPG franchises, for instance - are still highly dependent on the userbase created by bigger franchises like FF, and I'll believe that FFXV will be on Wii U when I see it.
Yep, I think we all agree that's pretty obvious though. The problem with the wait and see part though is that if they wait too long, that game will have already passed it's "golden selling time point".
I guess we'll see how Batman and ME 3 do, but the general consensus here so far seems to be "what's the point" If you wanted those games, you probably already have them. Or if you're like me and kinda wanted them back in the day but now it's kinda like their already "old" and I want "new stuff".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Nintendo handheld third party support mostly Japanese developed games? And the support we're not sure we'll get is mostly Western developed games?
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