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Wii U Community Thread
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Cant speak for everyone but it certainly doesnt bother me at all, and that wasn't the debate. Just whether graphical leaps will match previous gens and can it actually be quantified. Doesn't always have to boil down to console wars (although granted we are in a community thread for a Nintendo console
)I shall continue to chase the graphical rainbow on my pc builds either way.
Never expected Nintendo to match whatever the PS4/720 will do. All I want are third-party games that can be ported to Wii U -- CoD, etc..
Smiles and Cries
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just put some monies aside for my Wii U I just don't want to miss the launch
I will get a 3DS XL after I have secured a Wii U
I will get a 3DS XL after I have secured a Wii U
I just really do not see much reason to be optimistic about the Western 3rd parties right now..besides maybe Ubisoft.
Based on announced projects and public statements, I do not get the impression Wii U is in the minds of most 3rd parties when making next gen plans.
MadeInBeats
Banned
Bigger than what? What a $3000 gaming PC can do?
Just read the Pachter interview about Nintendo and I guess I never realized he intends to be taken as tongue and cheek humorous. I don't follow him or what he says very much but I just assumed he was a serious business guy.
With that change in understanding of him, I might change my personal perception of him and his comments. He still seems to be wrong a lot, but at least now I understand he never really intends to be correct per-say, he's just a guy who spends a lot of time on the internet and makes guesses at things like a lot of us do; only he gets paid to do it. Now that I know he's trying to be goofy, I can read his interviews in that tone. I think doing that will help a lot.
With that change in understanding of him, I might change my personal perception of him and his comments. He still seems to be wrong a lot, but at least now I understand he never really intends to be correct per-say, he's just a guy who spends a lot of time on the internet and makes guesses at things like a lot of us do; only he gets paid to do it. Now that I know he's trying to be goofy, I can read his interviews in that tone. I think doing that will help a lot.
I'm prepared for it though. I really don't know what to expect from Japan at this point.
TwilightPrincess
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Or i will buy WiiU plus a new PC/PS4. But anyways, do you think it will be a Wii vs. PS360 situation? Will ports be a very big problem? What is your x-factor (talking about WiiU vs. DurangoPS4?
You are shocking me Alberto
I don't have a doubt there will be a leap, but at which price?
Will Sony and MS able to deliver on better hardware/specs without
drastically increasing costs?
Yeah it is really frustrating- I have said over and over how I expect Japanese support to be good, but until we see something its all just guess work.
Epic are making their engine for the licensing market, it's a deeper story than you think. Just because they're popular doesn't mean it's going to be best engine for any game, infact people don't even dream of what IDTech5 has had for years now but the mod tools are still not out, so it's pointless to try to persuade people, but we have some screenshots and a trailer that has devs explaining some stuff, as well as tibids from the 2011 keynote.
Crytek had surpassed the tech level because they did not compromised it to violently focus on lowering the barrier to entry, quite a funny thing is that CryEngine Sandbox enditor is a lot better and easy to navigate therefore use because of the 3D view while developing. But not necessairly in all aspects, I just modded crysis a lot i haven't researched every bit my self. I haven't even touched UE3 because of the way things are seen with these silly 2D views and the way world gets build is kind of not my style.
EPIC serves the market, it's not because it's any better that it sells, EPIC actually has just a lot to say and their GOW console brown game with bugs is a pretty good example of how they sacrificed their past priorities.
They pretty much don't need to make games anymore since they get a shitload of technology royalties. EPIC doesn't tell you the whole picture.
To hear a bit more behind this with relation to id software, check out the 20th anniversary id software legacy a +30min video, the talk starts in the middle.
MadeInBeats
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In the realms of common sense, how much better are $3000 PC rigs compared to the best examples seen on current gen, and then how much of that are Sony/MS going to wack into their systems to sell at $500s or less? = not a big leap at all.
Well I guess that explains your monstrous posts.
How do you feel about stuff like Watch Dogs and that Star Wars game?
I'm sort of the opposite about graphics in screens/trailers vs in game, I find I'm less impressed by graphics in game unless I'm actively looking to be impressed. I get over graphic fanciness easily I guess, also doesn't help that they've been able to eke and fake a lot of stuff out of the current generation.
The game itself tends to have a bigger impact on my perception, like playing Outrun 2 or Afterburner Climax in a fancy UE4 world wouldn't make a big difference to me cause the gameplay itself is what makes them visually impressive (hell even the original games still look good while playing).
MS got Cave to make another game for them for Spring 2013, one of the few niches the Xbox has a hold of in Japan.
Much better but considering sales of console games, not everyone can tell or most likely just don't care. I figure the existence of games are a bigger deal than the graphics themselves. Next gen systems won't match them.
Listening to the 8-4 podcast, they basicly confirm that DQ X won't launch with Wii U. That's to bad, because it could have been a big title in Japan and at the same time it could show the online capabillities according to them. But, afterwards they talk about having something else in Japan and they know Nintendo has some big stuff ready for Wii U.
At this point I'm wondering what it could be; sure, you'll automaticly turn to Capcom and Monster Hunter, but surely there are other titles that could sway Japan? A big Mussou game, maybe Yakuza? I don't know which (console) series could have a big enough impact on Wii U's launch, other than that certain Capcom IP.
Will it be this big or this big?, oh sorry you can't see my hands.
I think everyone knows they'll be more powerful and I doubt many Nintendo fans stay awake at night worrying about the might of a rival console. The real question here is how much more powerful and "big" really doesn't answer anything. From my own perspective the specs are looking very unimpressive if these systems are indeed meant to wow us graphically. RAM is about the only area that may surpass my expectations.
Yeah, like I said earlier Monster Hunter came to mind because it is a big online title and 8-4 has a history with that series.
Nothing else really comes to mind as being something online based that is likely for launch window.
MadeInBeats
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Exactly. Average user notices jump from 2d to 3d. Average user notices jump from SD to HD. Average user noticed difference between current HD gen and topend PC? Not so much. Meh. So. Who cares! Difference between Wii U and PS720 so vast it won't get decent ports? No. PS4 and X720 a big leap from the Wii U... hell no!
8 bits to 16 bits? Ps1 to Ps2 (N64 to GC)? Graphics is not the most important but when you guys downsize the effect it has on people, it just sounds like fear.
Everyone will see the difference between this gen and the next gen. And Wii U will have the down port (if it has any, hopefully), and microsoft and sony will marketing their version as the best looking ones.
Now what is a fact, is that graphics is not the main factor for someone to pick a game, simple as it is, but we will see the damn difference.
MadeInBeats
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We will, but I was talking about the average user, ie, people who don't post on games forums.
chertipros
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I don't see it happening. Square enix probably wouldn't put Final Fantasy 13-3 on a platform where people might not have played the first 2 games
I swear this thread is going in circles. It goes like this:
Wii U graphics capabilities talk
then 3rd party talk
then xbox 720 and ps4 talk
then games we want to see on Wii U
rinse and repeat
There is one thing I'm curious about? Japanese launch games.
Think about it. Do you really think the launch games announced will satisfy the people in Japan?
I have a feeling that when Nintendo announces Japanese support, some of it will fill the launch lineup in other territories.
Wii U graphics capabilities talk
then 3rd party talk
then xbox 720 and ps4 talk
then games we want to see on Wii U
rinse and repeat
There is one thing I'm curious about? Japanese launch games.
Think about it. Do you really think the launch games announced will satisfy the people in Japan?
I have a feeling that when Nintendo announces Japanese support, some of it will fill the launch lineup in other territories.
They aren't direct squeals but Square put Final Fantasy XIII on a platform (Xbox 360) that wasn't doing that great in Japan.
chertipros
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I doubt these japanese launch games exist at this point
Have you seen the UE4 demo? Not the "graargh, evil monster dude in sparkly lava castle" demo but the "this is how the engine works for devs" demo?
Sony is pushing first party content and supporting independent studios A LOT! Microsoft not so much, you got that right. They prefer to money hat big third party titles with exclusive stuff.
So I take it you've never seen him on GT's Bonus Round? 'Cause he's a pretty goofy dude, he popped in there with a Zelda shirt a couple of years ago and makes silly jokes all the time. If you just read those out-of-context quotes, it's no wonder he comes across as a super serious ass.
Hm? I know all that. I never claimed anywhere that Unreal Engine is the greatest thing under the sun. Why the elaborate post? Aren't you torturing yourself typing that on a Wii?
But who actually thought it was gonna come anywhere close to launch?
Nothing news worthy but here is Darksiders 2 Wii U box art
Completely off topic but who thinks Final Fantasy XIII-3 will come to Wii U?.
You know Square is making it
You didn't see the huge box art posted on the last page?
FF 39 will not come to WiiU. I just don't see it. Either way, I don't care. I want Versus XIII.
I didn't hear that as them knowing because they're working on whatever they think is "big push for Japan" so it could be anything. They act like they're not working on anything that's on Wii U though they could simply be good at keeping it quiet.
Mass Effect 3 *cough*
I read somewhere that there still are some Japanese games to be announced. Or at least, the kind of games that Japanese people would like.
There should be more games that have the Japanese appeal, not yet announced. Would be interesting if we get some info or images about the Wii U version of Dragon Quest soon.
Zoramon089
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Hehe, can't wait for all the dissapointed faces. It'll be priceless
test_account
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You mean of the people who said that the leap wouldnt be big? Honest question, i cant tell who you're referring to.
Ikr? People need to realize that Sony can't afford to create a super computer after their many loses, and Microsoft has lost quite a few dollars off the 360 as well, not to mention, they have no incentive to go high-end when they know Nintendo and Sony aren't going to either.
Next gen will be a repeat of last gen, plain and simple.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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Who's going to be disappointed? That is, aside from the Nintendo-only-graphics-whore minority.
Last gen? So far every gen provided a huge graphical leap over its predecessors. If that's what you expect from next gen I'd say you shouldn't be too disappointed.
He means the difference between the Wii U, PS4, and Xbox 720 will be like the Dreamcast, PS2, GameCube, and Xbox.
test_account
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PS3 was quite expecive because of the newer tech at the time (Bluray and CELL processor). It also had PS2 chips in it. Now Bluray tech is very common and much cheaper, they probably go with a more cost efficient CPU, and i doubt that PS3 hardware will be in the PS4. Based on this, i dont think that it would be unrealistic to expect a big leap and still see a ~$400 pricetag. The Xbox 360 was also around this price at launch.
I also think that Microsoft and Sony will design their systems to last for a long time. The 10 year plan that some laughed at in the begining of the PS3 era is probably going to be even more realistic next generation, at least if this generation is anything to go by. Xbox 360 came out in 2005, now it is 2012 and we havnt even heard a word (officially) about a new Xbox.
chertipros
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I don't see that happening
In order for the next generation to have to same huge leap that we had this gen, you're talking about 7950 GPU's WITH CPU's that won't bottleneck that, meaning CPU's with pretty high clock speeds. Even without the Cell and Blu-Ray costs, you'd still be looking at a very expensive machine.
Now sure they could sell it at a lost, but that's the thing, Sony really can't afford to do that right now. I'd LOVE if the 720 and PS4 were ultra powerful, but for Sony's sake, I hope they don't make the foolish mistake of going high-end cause it's really not in the cards for them right now.
And by next gen will be like last gen, I was saying that the consoles will have noticeable differences in power but all 3 will still easily share multiplats.
i would trust shockingalberto knows what he's talking about.
the ps4 and nextbox are going to be port buddies while the nintendo thing will be starved for content again. although i'm guessing this time, developers will hope they can kill it before it ever takes off.
So you think Sony will be reasonable with their next console.
That's rich.
I always thought devs didn't want to fight for shelf space against Nintendo first party games. Ever since the N64 gen, other consoles sold well enough to leave Nintendo out of the equation completely.
Also, they clearly don't like the lack of power/gimmick controllers. American or Japanese. Yes, it's a "new way to play". Yes, it's not all about graphics. Yes, game studios are closing left and right due to ballooning budgets on games. But clearly the games devs don't give a fuck. They want more power and a regular ass controller. I kinda hope Nintendo just gives them what they want next gen, but I'm not holding my breath.
many western devs don't like dealing with nintendo, and a lot don't like hardware limitations.
well publishers definitely starved the wii to death, at least. if the wii had assassin's creed, timely call of duties, and the games everything else got, it'd probably be more towards the 120m mark by now, at least.
Grampa Simpson
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Devs would, Publishers wouldn't. Devs can be brotacular manchildren sometimes, and I expect them to bring those biases to their work and their business decisions.
Publishers care about the money, and they're going to chase it if they think it's there.
Of course the flip side of it where I might be wrong is that publishers don't seem to be fully supporting the WiiU like a thought they would by making every title PS360U instead of PS360. Maybe that changes in the next year, maybe not.
nckillthegrimace
Member
I'm putting on my tinfoil hat.
Not the Wii U specifically, but it's absolutely in the best interest of the large publishers to destroy mid-tier development. The bifurcation of the market into exclusively ultra low tier F2P/mobile games and blockbuster AAA games directly benefits companies that can afford to have their fingers in both pies. That's not that many companies these days. Bleeding edge crazy powerful systems help these large developers squeeze everyone else out.
MadeInBeats
Banned
2nd post down, Sony full of shit? Famously.
I know he gets a bit of info here and there, but I don't know that he's working on a next gen dev kit. All I know is I refuse to believe Sony or MS will get a $3000 PC to fit in 360/ps3 size case and charge =< $500 for it! How much is the cheapest Alienware consolePC, who's it's daddy, and what does he do? Sony and MS aren't magical alchemists you know, they'll be taking existing hardware and sticking it together.
lordfroakie
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10 years of the same console is annoying, devs and people hate it.
What happens if the PS4 and Xbox 720 sells bad but the Wii U sells great?, I don't think western developers have this secret hate towards Nintendo I just think if Nintendo plays nice devs will play nice, what company would ignore Nintendo because it's Nintendo?, I really don't think devs will want the Wii U to fail because if they do I don't think they should call them selves game developers but more "I am a fanboy of companies and I refuse to make games for this certain company because it's not my favorite.
Yes, Sony has promised us a lot in the past, haven't they? That's why we're all enjoying our 120 FPS @ native 1080p on our PS3's =)
It's still the best selling LTD console out of the 3, even without those.
But I get your point.
And well, Nintendo is releasing the Wii U with a normal controller too, if devs don't want to use it.
I still think they're dumb enough to release a $500 console next year. We'll see.
In brighter news:
I played Arkham City: Armored Edition today... and it looked bad. Really, really bad. Stuttering framerate and god awful textures. Keep in mind, this game has been finished for over a year!
I still don't care about third party support on Wii U, but for those that do... BE AFRAID!!!
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