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[dacuk]

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That basic math is why Sony and Microsoft were willing to lose hundreds of dollars per console initially, and it has proven to be a solid investment for both companies in the long run. Nintendo has had the luxury in the past of not having to make that investment, but if there was ever a time to do so, it's now. Nintendo could even make it more dramatic: Price the Wii U at $199, drop the Wii to $99, and watch Sony and Microsoft squirm as they try to match those prices.

There are some other interesting points there.

 

[IdeaMan]

Too late, I'm already living a lie and prefer to stay that way!

I don't know what could prevent them to include this dynamic power allocation method though, it's the perfect application thanks to the asymmetrical setting of the Wii U. Hey Nintendo, hire me, i have other ideas ! And i would cook some nice french pastries during our breaks !

Hmm. Well, it's not like they have to process the picture within a single frame. And it basically only has to figure out where the two darkish circles in oval light-ish circles are located (the closer they are to the center of the camera image, the lower you're head is tilted). So I suppose it wouldn't be too bad. I only brought up the potential for resource usage because this processing probably uses the cpu, which is not a particularly strong point of the Wii U, given current speculation.

Yeah it would certainly use the CPU, and i'm sure it will be fine, if the small 100ish Mhz ARM processors of the DSi (and from my memories, other less powerful electronic devices have such eye-tracking features) can handle this.

 

[Turrican3]

There are some other interesting points there.

I really wonder how the very same journalist can change his mind (a U-turn? ) on the same subject in less than 3 weeks:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ess-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say
(don't worry about the article title, it's the analysis inside that's *quite* different from the one that went online today)

 

[GameplayWhore]

I don't know what could prevent them to include this dynamic power allocation method though, it's the perfect application thanks to the asymmetrical setting of the Wii U. Hey Nintendo, hire me, i have other ideas ! And i would cook some nice french pastries during our breaks !

My major complaint is that this capability is useless if (A) you are playing a multi player game with friends, or (B) you have friends over who are watching you play a single player game.


edit: you're right, if face tracking is doable on the 3DS, it should be easy to do with minimal resources on the at-least-slightly-faster Wii U.

 

[GameplayWhore]

I really wonder how the very same journalist can change his mind (a U-turn? ) on the same subject in less than 3 weeks:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ess-powerful-than-ps3-xbox-360-developers-say
(don't worry about the article title, it's the analysis inside that's *quite* different from the one that went online today)

The earlier article seems to be saying "Here are some problems that may make the Wii U not succeed". The followup article seems to be saying "Nintendo has enough money to overcome any problems that may make the Wii U not succeed". I admit that I skimmed both, but the two basic assertions do not seem to conflict.

 

[Fourth Storm]

I would make it so it "clicks" into diffrent positions and stays that way.

I dont´t think your "Too many moving parts" argument does apply here.

Hey hey hey, not my argument (in fact I think it's somewhat ridiculous). Just imagining what would go through the crazy minds of Iwata and co. hehe. Nintendo have had issues w/ hinges in the past (DS lite hinges cracked for no apparent reason). I think it would be cool, though I'd rather just have two cameras.

 

[IdeaMan]

My major complaint is that this capability is useless if (A) you are playing a multi player game with friends, or (B) you have friends over who are watching you play a single player game.


edit: you're right, if face tracking is doable on the 3DS, it should be easy to do with minimal resources on the at-least-slightly-faster Wii U.

Yeah, this method can't apply to every scenario and works the best for single player play, but it allows games to have an intricate, intensive use of both screens, and avoid the situation where a developer can decide "ok, i want a beautiful content on the TV, so i'll not render anything substantial other than a 2D inventory on the padlet to free (let's summarize it this way even if it's more complex than that) the capabilities used for a 0,9x 480p content (not 1x because calculating & streaming a 2D map with updated positions of your characters must take some resources) for the main screen".

An approach to have the best of both world, the two screens involved (because sacrificing the DRC to get a more impressive content on the TV could be a gameplay waste in a lot of titles) & the maximum of the guts allocated to the display you're actually focusing at.

 

[Turrican3]

I admit that I skimmed both, but the two basic assertions do not seem to conflict.

Maybe it's just me, but reading the two articles one after another seems... weird, to say the least.

Let's look at the following example.

Newer article:
The Wii U's strategy for success is simple. It's value.

Think abut it. The raw power of a console is not the most important thing, it's price performance and the total value of the package to the user. [...] What if Nintendo were to price the Wii U at $249, or even $199? This would instantly change the battle for console leadership. Microsoft and Sony would have a huge problem trying to meet that sort of price even with their current consoles; for their next-gen consoles, forget it.


Older article:
The key issue of console price versus performance is definitely a difficult one for Nintendo. Unless they can price the Wii U very low, Microsoft and Sony will probably be able to price their consoles below the Wii U, and they may well want to do that in the Wii U's first holiday selling season. Will Nintendo be able to convince hard-core gamers to buy the Wii U if it offers somewhat less power at a higher price?

 

[HylianTom]

So.. NoA is tweeting for us to stay tuned tonight.. very interesting. I wonder what it could be..

 

[GameplayWhore]

Yeah it's a method to allow games to have an intricate, intensive use of both screens, and avoid the situation where a developer can decide "ok, i want a beautiful content on the TV, so i'll not render anything substantial other than a 2D inventory on the padlet to free (let's summarize it this way even if it's more complex than that) the capabilities used for a 0,9x 480p content (not 1x because calculating & streaming a 2D map with updated positions of your characters must take some resources) for the main screen".

An approach to have the best of both world, the two screens involved (because sacrificing the DRC to get a more impressive content on the TV could be a gameplay waste in a lot of titles) & the maximum of the guts allocated to the display you're actually focusing at.

Yes, but it's limited to the foreveralone use case. On Nintendo systems, that use case is typically less common than on other systems.

 

[GameplayWhore]

So.. NoA is tweeting for us to stay tuned tonight.. very interesting. I wonder what it could be..

Wait, so Japan and Euroland both explicitly said "Hey, there's a Nintendo Direct Conference tonight!", but the Nintendo of Reggerica just vaguely hinted at us? What, do they think the Internet stops when you reach the shoreline??

 

[HylianTom]

Wait, so Japan and Euroland both explicitly said "Hey, there's a Nintendo Direct Conference tonight!", but the Nintendo of Reggerica just vaguely hinted at us? What, do they think the Internet stops when you reach the shoreline??

It's times like these where they really, truly puzzle me.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Maybe it's just me, but reading the two articles one after another seems... weird, to say the least.

Let's look at the following example.

Newer article:
The Wii U's strategy for success is simple. It's value.

Think abut it. The raw power of a console is not the most important thing, it's price performance and the total value of the package to the user. [...] What if Nintendo were to price the Wii U at $249, or even $199? This would instantly change the battle for console leadership. Microsoft and Sony would have a huge problem trying to meet that sort of price even with their current consoles; for their next-gen consoles, forget it.


Older article:
The key issue of console price versus performance is definitely a difficult one for Nintendo. Unless they can price the Wii U very low, Microsoft and Sony will probably be able to price their consoles below the Wii U, and they may well want to do that in the Wii U's first holiday selling season. Will Nintendo be able to convince hard-core gamers to buy the Wii U if it offers somewhat less power at a higher price?

Those two snippets kind of agree. One says "Unless Nintendo can price it very low, the competition could beat them in price". The other says "We now know that Nintendo can price it very low".

 

[Fourth Storm]

Wait, so Japan and Euroland both explicitly said "Hey, there's a Nintendo Direct Conference tonight!", but the Nintendo of Reggerica just vaguely hinted at us? What, do they think the Internet stops when you reach the shoreline??

Hahahaha, their teasing truly knows no bounds.

 

[GameplayWhore]

It's times like these where they really, truly puzzle me.

OYG, maybe they're releasing all the titles that were translated into English for the UK but never brought to America for mysterious reasons, to America! Hype. HYYYYYPE!

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yeah, they're just going to email a link to the Nintendo Direct and say "Hey, aren't you surprised???"

 

[DECK'ARD]

Hahahaha, their teasing truly knows no bounds.

Nintendo Indirect

 

[HylianTom]

Hahahaha, their teasing truly knows no bounds.

They are the best (read: cruelest) in the business at what they do. I mean, MS and Sony tend not to tease.. they just say, "hey dudes! Like, we got, like, some stuff for y'alls broskis to enjoy and stuff! Totally radical awesome! Check it out!"

Spoiler

(it's a parody. I have a Nintendorks version as well.)

 

[Fourth Storm]

They are the best (read: cruelest) in the business at what they do. I mean, MS and Sony tend not to tease.. they just say, "hey dudes! Like, we got, like, some stuff for y'alls broskis to enjoy and stuff! Totally radical awesome! Check it out!"

Yet their cruelty only stokes the flames of hype. Already, I've got in the back of my mind, "What if they really do have something to announce?"

Btw, love the new avatar.

Nintendo Indirect

Haha, spot on.

 

[Roo]

So.. NoA is tweeting for us to stay tuned tonight.. very interesting. I wonder what it could be..

So.. how much time left till this Nintendo Direct?
I'm afraid I won't be here cuz my girl wants to see Titanic 3D and I'm being dragged

 

[GameplayWhore]

Yet their cruelty only stokes the flames of hype. Already, I've got in the back of my mind, "What if they really do have something to announce?"

That's just natural selection. We've evolved to survive the soul-crushing attacks of NoA. Nintendo fans who couldn't cope are now… I dunno, they're probably bronies or something.

 

[Father_Brain]

I hope Nintendo of America proves more competent at Wii U third-party relations than they are at PR.

 

[Fourth Storm]

So.. how much time left till this Nintendo Direct?
I'm afraid I won't be here cuz my girl wants to see Titanic 3D and I'm being dragged

Bring your 3DS just in case. Anyone ever tried viewing the 3DS while wearing 3D glasses? Does that make it 6D or something?

 

[GameplayWhore]

So.. how much time left till this Nintendo Direct?
I'm afraid I won't be here cuz my girl wants to see Titanic 3D and I'm being dragged

About eight and a half hours. noon Japan Time, 11pm EST, 8pm PST.

 

[ColdBlooder]

So.. how much time left till this Nintendo Direct?
I'm afraid I won't be here cuz my girl wants to see Titanic 3D and I'm being dragged

Oh my god! You get the FOUR HOUR torture? What did you do to to your girl to get this hellish punishment?

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Kate Winslets boobs are more interesting than the whole flick

 

[GameplayWhore]

Bring your 3DS just in case. Anyone ever tried viewing the 3DS while wearing 3D glasses? Does that make it 6D or something?

Only using Sony math.

Spoiler

Damnit, Kaz, PS3 is two dimensional, PS3 on 3D TVs is three dimensional, 3 accelerometers plus 3 gyros is three dimensional, 3 accelerometers plus 3 gyros plus 3 magnetometers is three dimensional, not -- respectively -- 4D, 4D, 6D, and 9D!

 

[ColdBlooder]

Bring your 3DS just in case. Anyone ever tried viewing the 3DS while wearing 3D glasses? Does that make it 6D or something?

*ZOMG* Call the press! 3DS iz way more powerful than PS3!!! 3DS CAN HAZ 6D!!

 

[Fourth Storm]

Oh my god! You get the FOUR HOUR torture? What did you do to to your girl to get this hellish punishment?

Spoiler

Kate Winslets boobs are more interesting than the whole flick

If she thinks anything like my gf, this thread could very well have something to do w/ it.

Only using Sony math.

Spoiler

Damnit, Kaz, PS3 is two dimensional, PS3 on 3D TVs is three dimensional, 3 accelerometers plus 3 gyros is three dimensional, 3 accelerometers plus 3 gyros plus 3 magnetometers is three dimensional, not -- respectively -- 4D, 4D, 6D, and 9D!

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out the whole 6-axis thing. Does it really hold an advantage over the Wii Remote +?

 

[GameplayWhore]

Oh my god! You get the FOUR HOUR torture? What did you do to to your girl to get this hellish punishment?

Spoiler

Kate Winslets boobs are more interesting than the whole flick

Yes, definitely sneak to the back of the theater and strategize your sexytime to coincide with the hot sweaty action in the movie.

 

[Roo]

Bring your 3DS just in case. Anyone ever tried viewing the 3DS while wearing 3D glasses? Does that make it 6D or something?

lol
I will be like... I'm going to the bathroom, babe, brb
*watches conference and post on GAF from the toilet eating popcorns*

About eight and a half hours. noon Japan Time, 11pm EST, 8pm PST.

Oh shit!!!
you guys have fun for me =/

Oh my god! You get the FOUR HOUR torture? What did you do to to your girl to get this hellish punishment?

Spoiler

Kate Winslets boobs are more interesting than the whole flick

She still believes the guy will make it... you never know lol

Spoiler

boobs in 3D...that's the best I can hope for

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

Yes, definitely sneak to the back of the theater and strategize your sexytime to coincide with the hot sweaty action in the movie.

err, what the hell is going on in here, and why was I not invited?

 

[ColdBlooder]

lol
I will be like... I'm going to the bathroom, babe, brb
*watches conference and post on GAF from the toilet eating popcorns*

If you can perform this stunt without being caught, then you are a real MAN

 

[GameplayWhore]

Hmm. A "proper" RPG on Wii U.

Person with the DRC is the dungeon master, draws up locales and battle areas, writes up character bios, flicks previously-created characters onto the main screen. Up to 4 (8?) players use remote/nunchuk (or sixth-gen controller) to control their individual player, though some of the game play involves direct interaction with the DM, who still decides their fates with the DRC.

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bonus would be haptic dice rolling, damnit!

edit: I just realized that this would probably be the first RPG ever released for a home console. All the other titles using this term have just been action adventures with stats and no actual role playing!

 

[HylianTom]

Man.. I have to see about getting out of work early. That's too close to quitting time. I might be in traffic.

 

[GameplayWhore]

lOh shit!!!
you guys have fun for me =/

We will be all disappointed at Nintendo while you have sex in a movie theatre. Oh, poor you.

boobs in 3D...that's the best I can hope for

You have a girlfriend. This means boobs in 4D!

 

[HylianTom]

err, what the hell is going on in here, and why was I not invited?

They're apparently plotting sexytime/boringtime management intertwined with Nintendo PR consumption. I applaud their efforts!

 

[Rösti]

Yes, definitely sneak to the back of the theater and strategize your sexytime to coincide with the hot sweaty action in the movie.

Copulation in greasy movie theater seats together with sticky floor and popcorn flinging teenagers isn't as nice as it sounds. Besides, bringing video recording equipment to a film screening and using it isn't a very good idea. I don't know what legislation for such is in other countries, but here in Sweden you have to pay heavy fines and authorities may even confiscate the equipment. There's also imprisonment if the crime is found too severe.

 

[GameplayWhore]

They're apparently plotting sexytime/boringtime management intertwined with Nintendo PR consumption. I applaud their efforts!

Hopefully, he isn't following live-tweets on his cell phone during the wrong parts of the movie.

"I'll never let go!"
*lets go...dude dies*
WOOHOO, NEW MARIO KART!!!!

 

[HylianTom]

Copulation in greasy movie theater seats together with sticky floor and popcorn flinging teenagers isn't as nice as it sounds. Besides, bringing video recording equipment to a film screening and using it isn't a very good idea. I don't know what legislation for such is in other countries, but here in Sweden you have to pay heavy fines and authorities may even confiscate the equipment. There's also imprisonment if the crime is found too severe.

And unfortunately, it's Titanic. The men will be paying attention to anything but the movie, be it the women, or anything else going-on..

 

[Roo]

We will be all disappointed at Nintendo while you have sex in a movie theatre. Oh, poor you.

She owe me big time... she knows how much I hate movies like that one

You have a girlfriend. This means boobs in 4D!

4D
Haptic technology
Full HD
Improved physics

*gamer happy* :O

 

[GameplayWhore]

And unfortunately, it's Titanic. The men will be paying attention to anything but the movie, be it the women, or anything else going-on..

Pfff, I liked Titanic. It was technically brilliant and had just the right level of emotional manipulation of the audience. Plus the scene with the mother reading to her children was all BUHHHHHHH D: D: D:

4D
Haptic technology
Full HD
Improved physics

*gamer happy* :O

Not just HD. Retinal display! That's next gen, baby!

Still, they need to port to real life that code snippet that involves easy duplication of character models with different hairstyles.

Spoiler

(I'm going to try to lean more on-topic after this post)

 

[Fourth Storm]

She owe me big time... she knows how much I hate movies like that one



4D
Haptic technology
Full HD
Improved physics

*gamer happy* :O

Don't forget 3x-4x higher quality moans.

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Yes, this has gone far enough

 

[Roo]

Pfff, I liked Titanic. It was technically brilliant and had just the right level of emotional manipulation of the audience. Plus the scene with the mother reading to her children was all BUHHHHHHH D: D: D:




Not just HD. Retinal display! That's next gen, baby!

Still, they need to port to real life that code snippet that involves easy duplication of character models with different hairstyles.

Spoiler

(I'm going to try to lean more on-topic after this post)

Don't forget 3x-4x higher quality moans.

Spoiler

Yes, this has gone far enough

You guys are sick...
I just noticed how flawless my English was on my previous posts... meh =/

 

[guek]

4D
Haptic technology
Full HD
Improved physics

*gamer happy* :O

Just don't load up any untested firmware or the whole system might crash.

 

[HylianTom]

She owe me big time... she knows how much I hate movies like that one

I've never seen it, haha!

 

[ColdBlooder]

Titanic 3D THE GAME for 3DS to be announced on Nintendo direct in a few hours. Comes with the 3D Movie on a second cartridge and an firmwareupgrade that makes the 3DS play "My Heart Will Go On" throughout the whole OS

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

Are you guys that lonely ):

















Maybe I can help

 

[HylianTom]

Titanic 3D THE GAME for 3DS to be announced on Nintendo direct in a few hours. Comes with the 3D Movie on a second cartridge and an firmwareupgrade that makes the 3DS play "My Heart Will Go On" throughout the whole OS

I'd rather Endless Ocean 3, where I can explore the ruins.. if it weren't for the pressure.

 

[ColdBlooder]

Maybe I can help

This is propably the official bootup screen for the WiiU.

This Image... in Full HD... on 50"

 

[Fourth Storm]

I'd rather Endless Ocean 3, where I can explore the ruins.. if it weren't for the pressure.

Endless Ocean 3 needs to happen. If they can get the Vitality Sensor functional in time, all the better. Your state of relaxation could affect your oxygen supply, etc. Would be great before bedtime.

This is propably the official bootup screen for the WiiU.

This Image... in Full HD... on 50"

You sonofa, I was gonna post this exact thing! Great minds, etc etc.

 

[Roo]

Just don't load up any untested firmware or the whole system might crash.

I already have my cloud-heaven backup service
I can reboot it anytime ;D

I've never seen it, haha!

don't do it unless you want to die

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of boredom