Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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-Pyromaniac- said:
well when I say future proof the wii-u, I didn't mean learn from the 3DS because the 3DS was weak, because in handhelds it doesn't matter as much, I meant control schemes and whatnot, look at them adding a second analog now, I'm glad to get it but all this revision stuff is stupid.
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Its not a revision its an option. They wanted to get games like Monster Hunter on their system, so they had to offer extra control options to secure the deal. If that 01net article didnt hit the web, people would not be looking at it as an omen for a future revision.

Its like saying Wii should have come with the balance board. Or Kinect and Move should have launched with their respective systems.

I recall even an article where Nintendo said they were looking into detachable inputs so you could configure your controls the way you like. Obviously, they have been thinking long and hard about striking the balance between too many input choices and not enough.

In this case they went for the, 'we can offer extra input options for games that need it' as an accessory. So we can keep our console small and portable.'
 
MDX said:
Its not a revision its an option. They wanted to get games like Monster Hunter on their system, so they had to offer extra control options to secure the deal. If that 01net article didnt hit the web, people would not be looking at it as an omen for a future revision.

Its like saying Wii should have come with the balance board. Or Kinect and Move should have launched with their respective systems.

I recall even an article where Nintendo said they were looking into detachable inputs so you could configure your controls the way you like. Obviously, they have been thinking long and hard about striking the balance between too many input choices and not enough.

In this case they went for the, 'we can offer extra input options for games that need it' as an accessory. So we can keep our console small and portable.'
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LOL , now you are pushin it
 
MDX said:
Its not a revision its an option. They wanted to get games like Monster Hunter on their system, so they had to offer extra control options to secure the deal. If that 01net article didnt hit the web, people would not be looking at it as an omen for a future revision.

Its like saying Wii should have come with the balance board. Or Kinect and Move should have launched with their respective systems.

I recall even an article where Nintendo said they were looking into detachable inputs so you could configure your controls the way you like. Obviously, they have been thinking long and hard about striking the balance between too many input choices and not enough.

In this case they went for the, 'we can offer extra input options for games that need it' as an accessory. So we can keep our console small and portable.'
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is you seriousssss, you think the company was trying to restrain the amount of input options? They put a goddamn touch screen on the controller, a huge one, lol. Not only that, all the changes I've suggested don't ADD anything to the controller, they just change what's already there. Analogs instead of slide pads, triggers instead of weak ass shoulder back shoulder buttons, and things of the like.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Sakurai said his goal is 60FPS, so it should look great.
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Yeah, a 60fps 1080p SSBB would be great... but hows about a 1080p 60fps F-Zero instead? Godamnit, I'm getting carried away. It won't be 1080p AND 60fps right? Still, F-Zero in HD would be ace.

On the same note, just to echo what a lot of people have already said in this thread, I just can't wait to see Nintendo's franchises in HD. We've waited too long, and the difference will be massive to us Wii owners.
 
weepy said:
I appreciate the optimism in this thread. I really do. This thing might just pull through and be Nintendo's true gamer's system since the Gamecube.
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Naw man. Cube was weak compared to Wii. Killer 7 is the only advantage. Wii has Way better variety of games too. Best Nintendo since the Super.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
E3 2012 is gonna be an interesting one, especially with MS likely announcing their next console.
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I'm curious to see whether their controller is also tablet or not.

Of course, if it is, its been planned all along.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I put the odds of a tablet controller on the 720/ps4 at 1%.
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I put the odds of a tablet controller either at the launch or as a later addition for the 720/ps4 at 65%. Even if they don't have it out of the gate if it has ANY success (which I suspect it will) Sony and MS will join the party.
 
Shin Johnpv said:
I don't think we're going to see anything again until E3 2012.
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If they delay until fall, then yeah. If it's still summer though they'll need to do a Japanese roll out pre-E3, since it's releasing there first. Capcom's Dave Reeves sort of implied that JP devs would be announcing games around TGS, but that was befire Nintendo switched to refocus on 3DS this year (Wii U's Gamescom presence was also scuttled).
 
Cmd. Pishad'aç said:
I'm curious to see whether their controller is also tablet or not.

Of course, if it is, its been planned all along.
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They should go for a tablet/console which is hook able to any tv any time!
That would be awesome!
Think of iPad 2 with tv output and much better hardware!
 
lunchwithyuzo said:
If they delay until fall, then yeah. If it's still summer though they'll need to do a Japanese roll out pre-E3, since it's releasing there first. Capcom's Dave Reeves sort of implied that JP devs would be announcing games around TGS, but that was befire Nintendo switched to refocus on 3DS this year (Wii U's Gamescom presence was also scuttled).
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They DEFINITELY have to do something before E3. Maybe hold a Spaceworld event. I THINK (I'm probably wrong though) that Nintendo if they hold them traditionally do it in the summer but I think if they did it in, say, February or a March it'd be a great build up to get the hype train moving in the right direction.

Edit: ah, Wiki says they did one January of this year. would be great if they did another this coming January.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I'm betting Sony puts their bets on Vita as a WiiU competitor, while Microsoft puts their eggs in the controller/kinect-combo basket.
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I too bet the same. Sony's shtick will be how compatible the Vita and the PS4 are. Microsoft's shtick will be their tie in with windows 8, and kinect.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
No matter what happens though, I learned a lesson. Nobody buy the wii-u when it launches, let it flounder a bit and then we can all get it for 100 bucks cheaper a month or two later.
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... Or they'll discontinue it.
 
I still can't believe what a leadtime Nintendo gave to the competition to copy their tablet, given that unlike with the Wii, there is nothing* hard to replicate in it, and a similar product could be done from scratch to manufacturing, API and SDK in less than a year.


* no, the wireless streaming is not unique or hard to do. Asus and many others offer off the shelf consumer solutions for 1080P lag free streaming across the house today at fairly low pricepoints
 
Gaborn said:
They DEFINITELY have to do something before E3. Maybe hold a Spaceworld event. I THINK (I'm probably wrong though) that Nintendo if they hold them traditionally do it in the summer but I think if they did it in, say, February or a March it'd be a great build up to get the hype train moving in the right direction.

Edit: ah, Wiki says they did one January of this year. would be great if they did another this coming January.
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I think they'll do something like this, but closer to launch (so spring conference, summer launch). Maybe in March though, so the can preceed their fiscal results with Wii U launch info and game announcements.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
E3 2012 is gonna be an interesting one, especially with MS likely announcing their next console.
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Which is why it would be suicide to wait that long. We need a conference like the 3DS one in January. If Wii U hype isn't at critical mass before Sony and Microsoft show what they have, this console will have a very rough start.
 
lunchwithyuzo said:
If they delay until fall, then yeah. If it's still summer though they'll need to do a Japanese roll out pre-E3, since it's releasing there first. Capcom's Dave Reeves sort of implied that JP devs would be announcing games around TGS, but that was befire Nintendo switched to refocus on 3DS this year (Wii U's Gamescom presence was also scuttled).
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I personally think they've delayed it till fall. A lot of the original rumors stated they wanted to start mass production of final units around September/October of this year. Which sounds like it's not going to happen. I think if it was, we'd be hearing tidbits about devs getting final dev kits.

I do wonder if after E3 they decided to bump up some specs, and make some other changes, and that's what has it delayed.

I would be REALLY surprised if we saw anything from Nintendo about Wii U before E3 2012.
 
Shin Johnpv said:
I would be REALLY surprised if we saw anything from Nintendo about Wii U before E3 2012.
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I think that is too late, even if it is a Fall launch.

I know you don't want to reveal software too early, but only giving your entire launch a hype period of 4 months seems like way too little time.


I'm betting on a Spring event in Japan.
 
Shin Johnpv said:
I personally think they've delayed it till fall. A lot of the original rumors stated they wanted to start mass production of final units around September/October of this year. Which sounds like it's not going to happen. I think if it was, we'd be hearing tidbits about devs getting final dev kits.

I do wonder if after E3 they decided to bump up some specs, and make some other changes, and that's what has it delayed.

I would be REALLY surprised if we saw anything from Nintendo about Wii U before E3 2012.
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It doesn't matter when they launch it; if the next time it's shown is after the next XBox is revealed, it WILL flop. They have to show it before then or deal with another GCN or N64 in terms of sales.

They're probably aiming for September.
 
schuelma said:
I think that is too late, even if it is a Fall launch.

I know you don't want to reveal software too early, but only giving your entire launch a hype period of 4 months seems like way too little time.


I'm betting on a Spring event in Japan.
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I suppose. Was there any kind of event between E3 2005 and E3 2006 that showed off Wii stuff? Because that launched in November of 2006 and I could just be remembering wrong but I thought it's big here's everything was E3 2006.

I'm gonna give a big launch window here as just a really rough guesstimate and say some time between August and November of 2012.
 
BurntPork said:
It doesn't matter when they launch it; if the next time it's shown is after the next XBox is revealed, it WILL flop. They have to show it before then or deal with another GCN or N64 in terms of sales.

They're probably aiming for September.
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The age old power correlates to success angle again.
 
DaSorcerer7 said:
The age old power correlates to success angle again.
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Actually, this is a hype issue. Graphics far above anything we've ever seen creates hype, and Wii U probably won't have that. Microsoft's tech demos, however, will. It'll get people talking, while Nintendo's controller has already failed to do that. Unless they have one of the best lineups in history, they need to get people talking about Wii U before they start talking about XB3.

Shin Johnpv said:
I suppose. Was there any kind of event between E3 2005 and E3 2006 that showed off Wii stuff? Because that launched in November of 2006 and I could just be remembering wrong but I thought it's big here's everything was E3 2006.

I'm gonna give a big launch window here as just a really rough guesstimate and say some time between August and November of 2012.
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How about showing the controller at TGS? :/

They can't go that long without saying something unless they have something big. They've already gone too long, and no one cares about the Wii U. There's nothing worse than no one caring about your product. They have to say something before E3. They really don't have a choice.
 
BurntPork said:
Actually, this is a hype issue. Graphics far above anything we've ever seen creates hype, and Wii U probably won't have that. Microsoft's tech demos, however, will. It'll get people talking, while Nintendo's controller has already failed to do that. Unless they have one of the best lineups in history, they need to get people talking about Wii U before they start talking about XB3.
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The Wii U controller was in the news at E3 when it was unveiled. No one's going to talk about it again until it's shown to the press again in such a manner.
 
Gravijah said:
They can't discontinue both the 3DS and the Wii U.
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Hah. They can discontinue both, re-launch them, then discontinue them again.
 
BurntPork said:
Actually, this is a hype issue. Graphics far above anything we've ever seen creates hype, and Wii U probably won't have that. Microsoft's tech demos, however, will. It'll get people talking, while Nintendo's controller has already failed to do that. Unless they have one of the best lineups in history, they need to get people talking about Wii U before they start talking about XB3.
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I'm guessing you slept through E3...no wait, you were there. So, selective memory?
 
scitek said:
The Wii U controller was in the news at E3 when it was unveiled. No one's going to talk about it again until it's shown to the press again in such a manner.
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People were talking about the possibilities of the Wii's controls for months after the controller reveal. Wii U died in about a week.
 
Nintendo will be ready to counter an inevitable XBOX720 announcement at E3 2012. They'll treat the conference by showing off the WiiU like it's a new console -
more details on power, networking, multiplayer, interactivity, first party nintendo games (of which a good few is enough to steal the show at E3) and third party support - something I hope they've built up enough by then.
A killer line up of exclusive and superior cross-platform titles will do a good job of stealing Microsoft's thunder.

New XBOX announced? Try HD Zelda, Mario, Metroid and Pikmin, on top of a major third party exclusive and superior versions of future release titles.

Of course, this is all very optimistic... but it could happen.
Here's hoping.

I honestly don't see the NextBox being much of a significant leap over the 360 - save for graphical capability.
imagine it will just be like an updated 360, with a Kinect/controller setup as standard and a few new IP's.
 
BurntPork said:
Actually, this is a hype issue. Graphics far above anything we've ever seen creates hype, and Wii U probably won't have that. Microsoft's tech demos, however, will. It'll get people talking, while Nintendo's controller has already failed to do that. Unless they have one of the best lineups in history, they need to get people talking about Wii U before they start talking about XB3.
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Do you really believe your own words?
 
Ubermatik said:
Nintendo will be ready to counter an inevitable XBOX720 announcement at E3 2012. They'll treat the conference by showing off the WiiU like it's a new console -
more details on power, networking, multiplayer, interactivity, first party nintendo games (of which a good few is enough to steal the show at E3) and third party support - something I hope they've built up enough by then.
A killer line up of exclusive and superior cross-platform titles will do a good job of stealing Microsoft's thunder.

New XBOX announced? Try HD Zelda, Mario, Metroid and Pikmin, on top of a major third party exclusive and superior versions of future release titles.

Of course, this is all very optimistic... but it could happen.
Here's hoping.

I honestly don't see the NextBox being much of a significant leap over the 360 - save for graphical capability.
imagine it will just be like an updated 360, with a Kinect/controller setup as standard and a few new IP's.
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I think that's the key for Nintendo at E3 2012. While the other company(or companies) are announcing their next hardware, you already announce actual games coming out for your new console in the near (or semi-near) future. Like I said, fire at all cylinders from the very start, don't even let the others gain momentum. When you're first out of the gate that's what you gotta do.

MS did it with 360. As soon as they came out of the gate they were money hatting left and right for games, had their hands in every pie, every genre, something for everyone. Once you capture the momentum it's smooth sailing (assume you don't fuck up).
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I think that's the key for Nintendo at E3 2012. While the other company(or companies) are announcing their next hardware, you already announce actual games coming out for your new console in the near (or semi-near) future. Like I said, fire at all cylinders from the very start, don't even let the others gain momentum. When you're first out of the game that's what you gotta do.

MS did it with 360. As soon as they came out of the gate they were money hatting left and right for games, had their hands in every pie, every genre, something for everyone. Once you capture the momentum it's smooth sailing (assume you don't fuck up).
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Precisely - They need to start well and run with it. If they can secure some great third party support for launch (and I don't mean launch-time, remade cash ins - I mean new IP's and offering the best choice for a cross-platform game)
and top it off with HD iterations of their already popular franchises, they could really come out of the gate with all guns blazing, and hopefully knock any new console revealed at E3 off it's media perch.
This is providing they have some juicy details for the online and connectivity side of things. That's the main factor that has me worrying. They need to focus on getting internet multiplayer right this time.
 
BurntPork said:
People were talking about the possibilities of the Wii's controls for months after the controller reveal. Wii U died in about a week.
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That's because Wii's control setup was so unique and strange. But everyone knows what kind of things can be done with touchscreens, they aren't mysteries at all.
 
Ubermatik said:
Nintendo will be ready to counter an inevitable XBOX720 announcement at E3 2012. They'll treat the conference by showing off the WiiU like it's a new console -
more details on power, networking, multiplayer, interactivity, first party nintendo games (of which a good few is enough to steal the show at E3) and third party support - something I hope they've built up enough by then.
A killer line up of exclusive and superior cross-platform titles will do a good job of stealing Microsoft's thunder.

New XBOX announced? Try HD Zelda, Mario, Metroid and Pikmin, on top of a major third party exclusive and superior versions of future release titles.

Of course, this is all very optimistic... but it could happen.
Here's hoping.

I honestly don't see the NextBox being much of a significant leap over the 360 - save for graphical capability.
imagine it will just be like an updated 360, with a Kinect/controller setup as standard and a few new IP's.
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We're not getting Zelda or 3D Mario for obvious reasons, Pikmin is a B-level franchise, and XB3 might end up releasing next year.

Dreamwriter said:
That's because Wii's control setup was so unique and strange. But everyone knows what kind of things can be done with touchscreens, they aren't mysteries at all.
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And that's the problem. It's boring. No one cares what it can do.
 
BurntPork said:
And that's the problem. It's boring. No one cares what it can do.
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Until Nintendo shows us why it's not. Which they will do. At E3.
Currently under appreciated, people will soon realise the potential of the controls come June 9th 2012.
 
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