abstract alien
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Lmao, naw, it was right before.Lord Ghirahim said:
Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Its kinda strange, even though I do take part in this thread I don't really care about the wii u one way or the other right now. Even if its a good story or a bad story its just way to early to form any impression of the console and the things we are hearing about might have no bearing on the final product at all. Until Nintendo starts talking about the wii u again I'm pretty much ambivalent towards it. The 3ds and the Vita are much more interesting at the moment.
But one thing I am curious about are 3rd party devs who have wii u dev kits and theoretical PS4 dev kits and what they think of the two.
But one thing I am curious about are 3rd party devs who have wii u dev kits and theoretical PS4 dev kits and what they think of the two.
Pie and Beans
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ShockingAlberto said:
pretty sure this is actually happening. another of those weird "hey look at all these old games!" part of the lineup :/
ShockingAlberto
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I think I'll be hyped when I see a first party Nintendo game with effectively modern graphics.
At least they are recent games. It seems like the other consoles are in their look at these old games stage too except even older games and done half ass. Crysis 2 on Wii U could be much closer to the PC version than the console versions. If crytek is smart thy will just do a compilation pack with Crysis 1 and 2 to establish the series on the system. Of course Timesplitter from the nottingham guys would be nice as wellPie and Beans said:
herzogzwei1989
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I hope they use alot of embedded MoSys 1T-SRAM this time. Going from 3MB with Flipper/Hollywood, to something like 16 MB is what I had in mind.
Cmd. Pishad'aç
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People don't realize that we've arrived the point of diminishinf returns in terms of graphics.
The Wii U will run the same games as the Ps4 and X720. The thing that will set this systems apart is social connectivy. And in that regards I think microsoft will do a great job.
I even think the next number 1 console, will be the next xbox.
The Wii U will run the same games as the Ps4 and X720. The thing that will set this systems apart is social connectivy. And in that regards I think microsoft will do a great job.
I even think the next number 1 console, will be the next xbox.
Gamer @ Heart
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Cmd. Pishad'aç said:
WW? Because i doubt very heavily it will be able to penetrate Japan like 360 failed to. Micorsofts millions in marketing cant change the fact that they are not japanese, and the culture there is increasingly handheld. Japan alone is why i dont see it being #1
Zoramon089
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Cmd. Pishad'aç said:
Lol, it doesn't just cycle through the 1st parties...
That'd still be impressive, and pose a significant leap over the current gen. I'd love for Nintendo to go for a number like that, but the bigger question is how it will compare to it's rivals... Will Sony bust their balls to secure 3GB(or more)? They'd be stupid to do so, though it all depends on release dates.bgassassin said:
Maybe Sony won't go for such a powerhouse as people think, and thus maybe the WiiU won't be so underpowered as people are predicting...
Ubermatik said:
Honestly I think that might be influenced by how well the Vita does.
The Vita seems to be Sony's one last stab at creating a super powerful high end piece of hardware. If they can be profitable with that, then perhaps that will embolden their subsequent console strategy.
bgassassin
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lherre still hasn't responded. I guess Nintendo got him.
Don't forget the real eye candy ... Super Smash Bros.
Not enough for a 1080p image. I forgot what was calculated and if the number was 24MB or 27MB. My guess/hope has been 32MB to give some overhead. In 1T-SRAM-Q, the Q stands for quad-density. Based on what I read I would understand that to mean Q is 1/4 the size of the original while maintaining the same density. I can see them copying the same daughter-die process that was in the 360. As main memory the GC had 1T-SRAM chips with a 96Mb density (12MB) and that was 10+ years ago. With shrinks over that amount of time (and using Q) achieving a decent amount on a separate die shouldn't be an issue I would assume.
It essentially makes it easier for the system to make the games pretty. It could/would be used for things like AA, buffering, rendering, etc. to take that burden from the main memory that has a smaller bandwidth. The problem the Xbox 360 ran into was that their eDRAM was not enough to handle a 720p image. 1T-SRAM is also supposed to be faster than eDRAM, but easily gets confused as eDRAM when it's embedded.
We'll see. I can easily see Sony and MS implementing large amounts of eDRAM for their GPUs. That's another reason why the 4+GB demands are unnecessary. But those that do that are looking strictly at a PC perspective IMO and don't consider that option. I know MS has learned their lesson from not using enough eDRAM.
And blu. This is where I was talking about that I know you can contribute on and be on topic since that was your concern. So quit lurking and start teaching.
AzureJericho said:
Don't forget the real eye candy ... Super Smash Bros.
herzogzwei1989 said:
Not enough for a 1080p image. I forgot what was calculated and if the number was 24MB or 27MB. My guess/hope has been 32MB to give some overhead. In 1T-SRAM-Q, the Q stands for quad-density. Based on what I read I would understand that to mean Q is 1/4 the size of the original while maintaining the same density. I can see them copying the same daughter-die process that was in the 360. As main memory the GC had 1T-SRAM chips with a 96Mb density (12MB) and that was 10+ years ago. With shrinks over that amount of time (and using Q) achieving a decent amount on a separate die shouldn't be an issue I would assume.
AzureJericho said:
It essentially makes it easier for the system to make the games pretty. It could/would be used for things like AA, buffering, rendering, etc. to take that burden from the main memory that has a smaller bandwidth. The problem the Xbox 360 ran into was that their eDRAM was not enough to handle a 720p image. 1T-SRAM is also supposed to be faster than eDRAM, but easily gets confused as eDRAM when it's embedded.
Ubermatik said:
We'll see. I can easily see Sony and MS implementing large amounts of eDRAM for their GPUs. That's another reason why the 4+GB demands are unnecessary. But those that do that are looking strictly at a PC perspective IMO and don't consider that option. I know MS has learned their lesson from not using enough eDRAM.
And blu. This is where I was talking about that I know you can contribute on and be on topic since that was your concern. So quit lurking and start teaching.
Nessus said:
I'm not so sure of that. I think vita signifies Sony's continued adherence a bleeding edge product model. I think they feel like the PSP, with its moderate success, proves that a cutting edge, high priced model can succeed as long as it's not priced too high. The Vita is their attempt at a PSP 2.0 where it's more or less the exact same type of product as the PSP but with additional social and media capabilities. They seem pretty confident that the Vita fixes any problems the PSP had, something I don't completely agree with.
They don't really seemed to have learned much from the PSP and the PS3. I'd hope that they now know that $599 USD is just a smidge too high of a price. I wouldn't be surprised though if the PS4 debuts at $499, is a monster, and continues to bury sony into a bigger financial hole.
Vita was actually the start of a new strategy Sony outlined of no more exotic architecture. They will use high powered off the shelf components within reason. The advance of cell phones is what made Vita possible and even then Sony cut alot of corners to reach a set price.Nessus said:
I see them doing the same thing with the PS3. Setting a price range for the console and building around that
Cmd. Pishad'aç
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guek said:
The worst of it. A 500 hundred dollar machine wouldn't graphically stand much out of the capacity of a Wii U despite an hipothetical huge difference in specs.
But even then people didn't appreciate the GameCube, and thought PS2 was technically superior with its Emotion Engine, despite the bottlenecks. People kept citing SotC and GoW and saying that no GameCube game has ever reached that level of graphic prowess. Of course, obviously all of that was already shown by German devs at Factor 5...(heck, even 5.1 sound from standard RCA audio inputs). But people in the internet are stupid.weepy said:
It's a matter of of who is willing to jump in and utilize this new architecture. The rest is just Nintendo willing to do the same thing they did with Capcom/S-E: fund development for their system, either through license contracts and whatnot. Now if only they moneyhatted Id Tech &/or Epic...
So yeah...Damned if they do damned if they don't. But fuck the damners. I really want to see how this system differenciates itself from the rest. I love how their systems are not all just about tech.
tl;dr version: It's a PR game...and GAF loves HYPE!
-Pyromaniac-
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The few posts above got me thinking at how much I <3'd my Gamecube. I miss the days where I owned a Nintendo console as my first, and my main console of each generation. I did it for every single one up until the Wii, where I couldn't do it anymore, for obvious reasons. I'd instantly do it again if Nintendo offered the infrastructure (hardware/online/etc...) to give me the same experiences I enjoy now, but to a much higher degree. I regretfully think the Wii-U won't be that, but I don't stop hoping. This is just a random former nintendo fanboy ranting/writing in his GAF-diary here 
With that said, I hope they are learning their lessons from the 3DS. Those lessons being:
1) Future proof the hardware, that includes the internals, and especially includes the controller. Also present-proof the software, good god get your online infrastructure intact and running well.
2) Fire on all cylinders from the beginning. Momentum is everything in gaming these days.
With that said, I hope they are learning their lessons from the 3DS. Those lessons being:
1) Future proof the hardware, that includes the internals, and especially includes the controller. Also present-proof the software, good god get your online infrastructure intact and running well.
2) Fire on all cylinders from the beginning. Momentum is everything in gaming these days.
man, everyone talks about how the 3DS is so underpowered, but I don't get it. Yeah, it's not an HD device, but I think a lot of the games look pretty damn good. DoA and SFIV run great on it, OoT and Starfox look awesome, KH and MH run damn nice, and RE:R and Kid Icarus already look like they're pushing the system beyond stuff we've seen on the wii.
Looking at Vita games, I realize they look fantastic, but I also think they could have gotten away with it being a lot less powerful. I also haven't heard of a single developer complaining about the 3DS's power. When it first debuted, that was one if its strong selling points!
Looking at Vita games, I realize they look fantastic, but I also think they could have gotten away with it being a lot less powerful. I also haven't heard of a single developer complaining about the 3DS's power. When it first debuted, that was one if its strong selling points!
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well when I say future proof the wii-u, I didn't mean learn from the 3DS because the 3DS was weak, because in handhelds it doesn't matter as much, I meant control schemes and whatnot, look at them adding a second analog now, I'm glad to get it but all this revision stuff is stupid. Goes back to what I said before, they better get this controller 100% right from the beginning, don't be nintendo and fucking skimp.guek said:
But they SHOULD future proof the Wii-Us graphics hardware, it makes a difference in consoles more so than on handhelds. You don't want to have a visibly shittier version of every popular third party game on your console. It's up to Nintendo to anticipate what MS and Sony will include in their consoles, and include similar offerings. They still won't equal it since they are coming much sooner, but it's important to get as close as possible.
ShockingAlberto
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Sakurai said his goal is 60FPS, so it should look great.bgassassin said:
Straightballin
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guek said:
People are talking about it being under powered because its only slightly more powerful then a portable device released 6 years ago. They could have and should have added more power to the system.
Thunder Monkey
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Didn't hurt the PS2.-Pyromaniac- said:
Straightballin
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jbueno said:
late night, fixed
-Pyromaniac-
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yeah if there is anything we learn in gaming is to never use history as a starting point for the future. Just because something worked then doesn't mean it could work now. It was the perfect storm back then.Thunder Monkey said:
Nintendo just needs as many aces in one hole as possible to ensure they get everything out of the wii-u that their ambitious goals suggest. And I'm just saying hardware is an important thing. It's not just "some box" like Reggie would have you think. Not saying it's absolutely 100% required in order to be successful, but why risk it.
Thunder Monkey
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Yeah the WiiU would have severe advantages over the PS2 in that regard.-Pyromaniac- said:
No matter how powerful Sony and MS consoles are, I can't see the engines not running on the WiiU. They'd literally have to generationally surpass what's looking like a half-generational leap before I could see that being a reality.
-Pyromaniac- said:
I agree with your first comments, and while I agree that they shouldn't skimp on the Wii U, I'm not sure how much future proofing they're really going to have to do. Realistically speaking, most cross platform games are probably going to look and run fine on the Wii U. The same couldn't have been said for the Wii and it's competition.
A lot of people talk about diminishing visual returns and all, but there's also the problem of development costs. The industry can barely handle current costs. In fact, much of the industry can't handle it and studios are closing left and right. I don't think too many development teams are going to be willing to ramp up the costs even further next gen.
Straightballin said:
Yeah, that portable device that was overpriced at launch and took years and years to finally become successful towards the end of its life cycle? Nintendo's biggest mistake with the 3DS was pricing, not hardware (though yeah, a second analog would have been good too). The PSP is a horrible device to compare stuff like this too because it's overwhelmingly clear that it was too far ahead of its time. It's like saying the DS should have been more powerful when in hindsight, it did fantastically with what it had.
My main point though is that high profile 3DS games don't look visually unappealing. A lot of them look damn good, so why does it really matter that Vita games look better? Is vita really going to look $80-130 more better to the market when it finally comes out? In this day and age of handheld, mobile phone gaming, I really doubt it.
TheExplodingHead
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I'm personally just expecting a modest jump over the 360 to be honest, power-wise that'll make me happy as it pertains to "Nintendo 1st party".
As far as all the worries/concerns/dissatisfaction so far with the Wii U itself. The first real trailers of Smash/DKCR2/Pikmin/Metroid etc (that show real potential for the tablet) and everybody will be doing a Zelda SS-style hype waltz around GAF...mark my words. And so will I!
As far as all the worries/concerns/dissatisfaction so far with the Wii U itself. The first real trailers of Smash/DKCR2/Pikmin/Metroid etc (that show real potential for the tablet) and everybody will be doing a Zelda SS-style hype waltz around GAF...mark my words. And so will I!
IsntChrisL
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If Nintendo plays their cards right, the Wii U could be my go-to system for 3rd party games. After seeing the Ghost Recon Online demonstration, I'm really excited about what the controller can bring to ports.
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No matter what happens though, I learned a lesson. Nobody buy the wii-u when it launches, let it flounder a bit and then we can all get it for 100 bucks cheaper a month or two later.
InsaneZero
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Unlike the 3DS, the Wii-U actually seems designed to attack a very decent mass market, so you're have to wait a lot longer than that.-Pyromaniac- said:
And then as soon as you do get it Nintendo will drop the price the next day just to spite you.
Gamer @ Heart
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-Pyromaniac- said:
Very unlikely. It will be first out the gate next gen for at least a year if the summer rumors are true. I would also imagine Nintendo has learned to price it competitively and to move. They need that sales momentum if they want the level of publisher support that the 360 cruised on for years with the definitive version.
ShockingAlberto
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I think I'll take the twenty gamecube games instead.-Pyromaniac- said:
-Pyromaniac-
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Cute. More like n64.ShockingAlberto said:
Black-Wind
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This ...-Pyromaniac- said:
Plus you will avoid a design-fail that fucks something up and should have been a simple fix (Glares at the thin slice of foam closed-up in my 3DS to keep the screens apart).
Hell, you might even get a few new colors if you wait the better part of a year.
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But in the end we all know what's going to happen. Nintendo will show HD Zelda, Mario, donkey kong, pikmin, smash bros, metroid, animal crossing, etc... And you'll all fold!
InsaneZero
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I've been waiting for five years and I still don't have a Blue Wii.Black-Wind said:Hell, you might even get a few new colors if you wait the better part of a year.
Don't get people's hopes up like that man. It still hurts.
Gamer @ Heart
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-Pyromaniac- said:
That's what GAF does for everything. All those DMC reboot haters? 80% of them will get it day one. Just like many of the DA2 haters still played the game.
Gamer @ Heart
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I hope and pray that the Wii U design is not final because i will really miss the illuminated slot drive. That pulsing blue was really cool and wasted with the almost non existent Wii Connect 24.
Black-Wind
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Thats the moral of the 3DS release story for me ... fold when that shit comes out, not on the promise of it. Or you will run into another Kid Icarus wait.-Pyromaniac- said:
InsaneZero said:
Who knows ... this time Nintendo is whoring out the colors. If way more Women buy the Wii U than men then maybe you can get a blue one :]
ShockingAlberto
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DA2 is a terrible example because it turned out all the haters were right.Gamer @ Heart said:
ShockingAlberto
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Then how are they going to sell them on the 3DS?-Pyromaniac- said:
You're not thinking.
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