Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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EricDiesel said:
I think that's just Geoff Keighley's hopes, honestly. Either that or Reggie will announce a specific timeframe of when to expect concrete info. No matter what, we're probably not getting much from this, in my opinion.

Except maybe Reggie getting flustered and raising his voice at Geoff like during that E3 interview haha.
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I liked Geoffs interview with Reggie at E3. You could tell he was annoyed with Reggie's constant dodging and wasn't scared to push it a bit. Man I can't wait until Reggie leaves; noone could be worse.
 
AzaK said:
I liked Geoffs interview with Reggie at E3. You could tell he was annoyed with Reggie's constant dodging and wasn't scared to push it a bit. Man I can't wait until Reggie leaves; noone could be worse.
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The importance of Reggie in Nintendo's resurgence cannot be understated IMO, but I'm also getting sick and tired of Reggie's PR-jedi mind tricks. "1080p graphics, check that box" ps3 checks that box as well, but that doesn't mean every game is full hd. More details can't come soon enough. Geoff, I beg you, give him a hard time. He deserves it!
 
guek said:
heat is the main issue from what I understand. While I don't subscribe to the notion that the size of the console completely determines it's graphical output, it makes a difference.
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Not much of a difference at all, considering how small I can build a high end PC these days, especially if I could use an external power brick. And the Wii-U is quite a bit bigger than a standard Wii.
 
bgassassin said:
Everything I've seen in the past indicated the 4-core version of a POWER7 was around 100W. And unless something changes at the last minute (which probably would be 32nm), we know the CPU will be using the 45nm process. Same with it being a multi-core processor. That was all in IBM's press release.
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Judging by some power-efficiency publications discussing power7 tech, it appears a single core from a 8-core power7 tops at ~23W@3.6GHz, including the pertinent 1/8 of the 32MB edram (i.e. 4MB). I would not be surprised if that figure dropped to ~18W@3GHz/core at the same 'old' 45nm and untouched feature set (including VSX and the fabled decimal fp).

So basically an unmodified tri-core@3GHz could be 54W and would run circles around any previous-gen power cpu ala 360's. Something's telling me that whatever nitnendo might have asked IBM to customize, it must have included removing irrelevant units and optimising power draw (unless nintendo had some late decimal fp fetish ; ). Bottomline being, a supposed WiiU power7 customization could hardly exceed 50W at full load, and still be within the (high) performance expectations commonly expressed in this thread, i.e. monstrous general-code performance, 4SMT, hefty edram-based L3.

Apropos, I expect nintendo to be aiming for a 100W-ish power envelope (read: not much exceeding that, if at all).
 
MDX said:
Because Power7 comes in 4, 6, 8 cores
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That's (a) because IBM decided that's what made sense for their sever markets, and (b) power7 features a plethora of power-management features, the most uninteresting of which is disabling entire cores.

Not only can physical cores be disabled, but things like SMT can be switched between 2-way and 4-way per core, memory can be repartitioned between cores, and all that jazz allowing for whatever logical core configurations you might desire.
 
AzaK said:
I liked Geoffs interview with Reggie at E3. You could tell he was annoyed with Reggie's constant dodging and wasn't scared to push it a bit.
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Oh, I agree. Nintendo was far too evasive and I'm glad somebody took them to task. But that's exactly why I don't expect much on Thursday. Reggie will almost certainly be evasive again and not commit to anything.
 
Well, what do you guys expect?
His hands are completely tied.
There are tons of things he either can't say or doesn't know.
That's part of his job.
 
AceBandage said:
Well, what do you guys expect?
His hands are completely tied.
There are tons of things he either can't say or doesn't know.
That's part of his job.
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True, but sometimes I really wish Nintendo wasn't so secretive about these things. Are you done with Fire Emblem on the west? Because I'd rather know now than to keep clinging on false hope.
 
Javier said:
True, but sometimes I really wish Nintendo wasn't so secretive about these things. Are you done with Fire Emblem on the west? Because I'd rather know now than to keep clinging on false hope.
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Questions like that are completely impossible to know, though.
Nintendo may be done with it from now, but who knows about next year? Or five years from now?
Nintendo never completely moves on from a franchise, they simply let it rest for a while.
 
I predict the CPU to be at least the new 9870 model, with 16 gigs Ram and 1 Petabyte of GSram, possibly around 160 hertz. I'm not saying this is a fact, but we'll see.

F-ZERO PLZ!
 
IceDoesntHelp said:
:lol
So if Reggie does give us a hint at something Wii U related this Thursday, what do you guys think it will be?
Lets be rational people.
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He'll give us some more boxes to check:

Established Nintendo franchises will release on it at some point
Third parties will probably release games for it
It runs on electricity
 
TunaLover said:
can you submit your own questions?
i´d wish ask about xenoblade, last story, or if they plan support japanese games with wii u.
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What about just making the console region free...
 
comedy bomb said:
He'll give us some more boxes to check:

Established Nintendo franchises will release on it at some point
Third parties will probably release games for it
It runs on electricity
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Needs to be said...he'll also ask what's wrong with you.
 
All this hardware speculation reminds me of the time when nobody knew what the Revolution (Wii) was capable of.

At the Xbox360 launch event Mark Rein (23:40) said Epic hadn't received the Rev dev kits yet, but that they hoped to bring Unreal Tournament 3 to the Wii. In fact, everybody assumed (read: hoped) the power of the Wii would be somewhat next-gen. How wrong we were...To say the Wii's power is almost equal to the original Xbox, can't be considered as trolling IMO. Thankfully, rumours point to a more significant power increase in the WiiU.
 
bgassassin said:
Everything I've seen in the past indicated the 4-core version of a POWER7 was around 100W. And unless something changes at the last minute (which probably would be 32nm), we know the CPU will be using the 45nm process. Same with it being a multi-core processor. That was all in IBM's press release.

I don't think most are expecting an actual POWER7 (or its cores) being used, but a CPU that borrows from it.
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Maybe the Wii U version would have 2 way SMT instead of 4 way SMT, which would both drop some silicon and be more similar to Xenon.

Just to temper people's expectations, unless Nintendo totally scrap the current Wii-U form factor, we're looking at a 100W TDP tops for the whole system, which is still more than 5x the Wii.
 
Grampa Simpson said:
It's been a turbulent few months. I sort of expect that I'll only really show up when Nintendo makes announcements and such for a while. Am very happy to have a new job though.

I'm mostly just happy that you're keeping it to a guesstimated sub-150w level. That's kind of the litmus test for me on whether or not a build is at all reasonable.

I'm also a supporter of the split memory pool idea. I don't think the benefit on a unified pool is as great as it once was, but I'm very amenable to argument on that one.
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I understand and have been there myself. I had cut myself off from posting for what it sounds like similar reasons, was doing fine, and then the Cafe news just had to leak. I may very well disappear again after all this has been finally announced.

Yeah I think it's possible be under that considering what the case leaves out. I'm of the belief that PS360s could be smaller if it weren't for how they're designed.

I opened up more to the split pool idea as well once I learned about IBM's memory controllers and quad channel (thanks to wsippel). But if they stick with unified I see them going with GDDR5.

blu said:
Judging by some power-efficiency publications discussing power7 tech, it appears a single core from a 8-core power7 tops at ~23W@3.6GHz, including the pertinent 1/8 of the 32MB edram (i.e. 4MB). I would not be surprised if that figure dropped to ~18W@3GHz/core at the same 'old' 45nm and untouched feature set (including VSX and the fabled decimal fp).

So basically an unmodified tri-core@3GHz could be 54W and would run circles around any previous-gen power cpu ala 360's. Something's telling me that whatever nitnendo might have asked IBM to customize, it must have included removing irrelevant units and optimising power draw (unless nintendo had some late decimal fp fetish ; ). Bottomline being, a supposed WiiU power7 customization could hardly exceed 50W at full load, and still be within the (high) performance expectations commonly expressed in this thread, i.e. monstrous general-code performance, 4SMT, hefty edram-based L3.

Apropos, I expect nintendo to be aiming for a 100W-ish power envelope (read: not much exceeding that, if at all).
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100W PE was the same thing I said on B3D. Thanks for the link. Everything I read wasn't that exact, but still indicated the same thing. I think once things are all said and done and the Silicon-on-Nintendium has finished the CPU will be at or under 40W. I think Nintendo's focus on the CPU will at worst help alleviate the "problem" of not having a 1000+ ALU GPU.

TunaLover said:
can you submit your own questions?
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Considering the time, I would assume they've already recorded it.

Proelite said:
Maybe the Wii U version would have 2 way SMT instead of 4 way SMT, which would both drop some silicon and be more similar to Xenon.

Just to temper people's expectations, unless Nintendo totally scrap the current Wii-U form factor, we're looking at a 100W TDP tops for the whole system, which is still more than 5x the Wii.
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And then there were three, lol. 100W is my expectation also and what blu said as well. I think Nintendo will focus on a beefier CPU due in part to the heat a GPU can put out. I don't think going to 2-way SMT would be necessary so to speak. However without knowing the core sizes, I wouldn't be able to say more than that much.
 
bgassassin said:
Considering the time, I would assume they've already recorded it.
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Then Geoff must have gotten something out of Reggie related to Wii U, otherwise they'd be lying to their audience, and just doing it for hits. Why would any site do that?
(;
 
He still could have asked questions that Reggie dodged and checked boxes on, so we'll see.

And I'm sorry I do not believe any site writes things just for hits. I believe all gaming journalists are hone... I couldn't even finish the sarcasm on this because of how bad some are.
 
bgassassin said:
He still could have asked questions that Reggie dodged and checked boxes on, so we'll see.

And I'm sorry I do not believe any site writes things just for hits. I believe all gaming journalists are hone... I couldn't even finish the sarcasm on this because of how bad some are.
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I hope Reggie at least spouts something on the Wii U. Even a day for a conference thats for the Wii U would be fine by me.
I almost believed you for a second d:
 
You're not going to hear shit about the Wii U from Reggie, unless there's a formal NoA event. He, like the rest of Nintendo's branches, play second fiddle to NoJ. I know its nice to hope for news, but if it ain't coming from Iwata/Miyamoto's gob, it ain't coming at all. At this stage, anyway.
 
EatChildren said:
You're not going to hear shit about the Wii U from Reggie, unless there's a formal NoA event. He, like the rest of Nintendo's branches, play second fiddle to NoJ. I know its nice to hope for news, but if it ain't coming from Iwata/Miyamoto's gob, it ain't coming at all. At this stage, anyway.
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It's NCL, not NoJ
BTW what happen with AceBandage D=
 
EatChildren said:
You're not going to hear shit about the Wii U from Reggie, unless there's a formal NoA event. He, like the rest of Nintendo's branches, play second fiddle to NoJ. I know its nice to hope for news, but if it ain't coming from Iwata/Miyamoto's gob, it ain't coming at all. At this stage, anyway.
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-3DS bundles announced for NA
-Kid Icarus release date for January
-Power analog-named-thingy priced and release day given in NA.



Hear it here first.


-PR speak damage control, recycled Kirby/Zelda hype
 
StreetsAhead said:
Like Mario, Kirby, Wii Fit or Smash Bros.? Sure, they will. :P
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I was thinking in more niche franchises like: Fatal Frame 4, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Tackt of Magic, Another Code, Captain Rainbow, etc...
 
IceDoesntHelp said:
Why such precise dates?
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Two main reasons:
bgassassins stating that his "source" is still claiming something before year's end, and Vita launch. From now until the end of the year, its the best time to announce it. An announcement won't so much hurt sales as much as it will distract attention away from other things. In Japan, the big holiday shopping season lasts into the new year, so if they were going to do by year's end, it can't be helped. But by that date, Nintendo's big 3 would have all out been for 2-5 weeks, so it won't be cutting into the hype they're building for those games... even MH3G will be out. Vita launches on the 17th and its Nintendo's biggest threat in Japan. Again, the purpose is to distract media attention away from Vita, not to effect sales, but it could be enough to overshadow Vita articles or possibly change the tones surrounding it.

I might walk back my previous statement a little, in that, "If they say anything this year, I see it being December 16 or 17..." I certainly won't be from Reggie this Thursday/Friday.
 
EatChildren said:
You're not going to hear shit about the Wii U from Reggie, unless there's a formal NoA event. He, like the rest of Nintendo's branches, play second fiddle to NoJ. I know its nice to hope for news, but if it ain't coming from Iwata/Miyamoto's gob, it ain't coming at all. At this stage, anyway.
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I know you're right but I hope you're wrong. Still, I think there is an OUTSIDE chance of a minor announcement. For example, something about their partner for developing their online infrastructure.
 
Gaborn said:
I know you're right but I hope you're wrong. Still, I think there is an OUTSIDE chance of a minor announcement. For example, something about their partner for developing their online infrastructure.
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Given the deafening silence, that would be a megaton announcement.
 
Gaborn said:
I know you're right but I hope you're wrong. Still, I think there is an OUTSIDE chance of a minor announcement. For example, something about their partner for developing their online infrastructure.
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I was hoping for that at E3, but still nothing. I'm pretty convinced the wild west online format is what they're going to go for, which is going to be fairly terrible.
 
Ace got banned too?! Seems like pre-TGS drama control, but what's this for this time?!

I do believe Wii U announcements are possible to be made this year if Nintendo enjoys a considerable success for 3DS, but not if they don't.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Reggie teases something before the end of the year. Probably just be another pre recorded thing, but at least that's something.
 
Since I saw you peeps talking about it here earlier, does anyone know if the gttv episode thing is on tonight or tomorrow night? That always confuses me :S
 
walking fiend said:
Ace got banned too?! Seems like pre-TGS drama control, but what's this for this time?!
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Nintendo announces their quarterly results today in Japan, I believe? Maybe it was preempting that?

And if Reggie announces anything more than a time frame for the release of more Wii U info, I'll eat my hat...both of them.
 
My prediction:

Nintendo will have a special christmas show on December 25th that will be aired world wide. Shigeru, Iwata, Aunoma and Koji Kondo will be sitting by the christmas tree. Reggie will then enter dressed up as Santa Claus. With him he has a big bag of presents. Out of the bag he takes out Xenoblade, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower for North America. Then he takes out a large package and gives it to Nintendo 64 kid. Nintendo 64 kid will then open it and find a Wii U and scream in excitement. Wiiiiiiiiiiiuuuuuuuuuu wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiuuuuuuuuuuuu wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiuuuuuuuuuuuu! The Reggie will take out Pikmin 3 which will cause Nintendo 64 kid to faint. Iwata will then announce all the details about the console and it's launch. Shigeru will then showcase Pikmin 3 for us followed by a short presentation of the next Zelda concept by Aunoma. Finally Shigeru will be playing the banjo, singing a christmas carol made by Koji Kondo with everyone else.
 
AAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCEEEEEEE!!!!!

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