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Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Fourth Storm
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There's nothing there that I disagree with, but I still think 50 million units is quite achievable (as long as Nintendo don't throw us any curve balls in regards to price, etc. I really think it's got to start at $299). I don't think all Wii owners will be quick to upgrade, but having all the controllers and peripherals work on Wii U is a definite motivator. With a new Wii Fit (which has big brand recognition), browser functionality, and video chat, Nintendo can market the console as a unique lifestyle device. They're keeping the whole Wii look, and I think with the right marketing it will do very well with not only kids, but female gamers, and really the whole 80s kid generation now in their 20s and 30s.
AceBandage
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Yeah, especially considering how horrible both are at keeping secrets.
ShockingAlberto
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Wind Waker's unfinished dungeons went in to Twilight Princess.
No arguments there.
Nintendo should hire more developers in general. It's going to take them longer to finish HD games because of all the high-def assets and complexity is going to take even more time. They should find some additional studios to relieve EAD from work. This should result in new IP and new takes on existing Nintendo franchises.
Foremost, I think Nintendo should invest in creating another Retro Studios-like studio, maybe in Europe. Hire people from former Rare or Crytek UK to run it. Or maybe Silicon Knights and Factor 5 people from overseas.
Secondly they should outright buy Mistwalker, and invest in Retro, Monster Games (put them on F-Zero), Camelot, Next Level Games and AlphaDream (these guys would probably be amazing on Earthbound).
Foremost, I think Nintendo should invest in creating another Retro Studios-like studio, maybe in Europe. Hire people from former Rare or Crytek UK to run it. Or maybe Silicon Knights and Factor 5 people from overseas.
Secondly they should outright buy Mistwalker, and invest in Retro, Monster Games (put them on F-Zero), Camelot, Next Level Games and AlphaDream (these guys would probably be amazing on Earthbound).
Wait, what?
Shin Johnpv
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It really depends. Graphics aren't the only way a game can be better/worse. If you had a game on all 3 systems and the Wii-U tablet offered something the other 2 didn't, even if it was visually less than the other 2, I would grab the Wii-U version. That would be on a game by game basis though. I don't deal in absolutes of I'll always buy multiplatform on X. It depends on a lot of things.
Add Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Trilogy. I bought the first and third entries on Wii, and the second on Ps3. I'd buy them again if they came out on Wii U, on one disc, with full HD graphics i.e. 1080p at 60 fps, and included all the downloadable content that we missed out on with the Wii versions. And of course Wii never received Modern Warfare 2 at all.
-Pyromaniac-
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I just feel bad for Sakaguchi, I really do hope Nintendo nabs em to create a new IP or 2 for the wii-u.
AceBandage
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454187
They're just opening another fairly large Japan office.
They're investing heavily in helping third/second parties make games.
They do need more Western Studios, though.
I wish they'd buy Shin'en, but it'll never happen simply because of Shin'en's size.
Grampa Simpson
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Source?
Common sense.
Also, they went into Skyward Sword.
Fourth Storm
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True, lots of people still bought PS2 and Genesis versions of multiplatform titles, despite better looking versions being available. Graphics are always an advantage, but they're not everything. This really should be a common gamer proverb at this point for people who don't realize it.
ShockingAlberto
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I'm finding it hard to google for the exact quote, but I am 100% positive they acknowledged that the content that was not finished for Wind Waker was being used for TP in the roll-up to release.
Why would you need a source for something like that, seems pretty obvious to me.
Fourth Storm
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I feel like my favorite rock band has broken up when it comes the "The Guch." He and Square Enix need to put their egos aside and make a glorious return to form with Chrono Trigger 2. It really seems he's lost his way since, and his blogs leading up to The Last Story were strange and somewhat depressed sounding.
bgassassin
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I'm expecting more than 50M also. Like I agreed with Forsaken I'm expecting 70-80M, but I don't expect it to hit 100M like Wii will.
I can't wait to see what the tablet controller has to offer.
Even just on the fly menus that you would otherwise have to open up on other systems would be great.
I hope to see fully interactive maps in the next Zelda.
As, mentioned above, I also expect to see trilogies and enhanced ports of older 360 and PS3 games.
Even just on the fly menus that you would otherwise have to open up on other systems would be great.
I hope to see fully interactive maps in the next Zelda.
As, mentioned above, I also expect to see trilogies and enhanced ports of older 360 and PS3 games.
AceBandage
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Jorok Goldblade
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And the disc drive. Making it accept discs of two different sizes was a big deal for the wii.
Crystal Chronicles and 4 Swords Adventures, yeah I dont believe that 1 controller per system crap
Edit: I can't read.
neutralgamer02
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Wait, some people in the thread think the distance between Wii U to PS4/Xbox720 will be comparable to the ps2 to xbox? Based on what? Do you think there won't be a significant jump between the Ps3/xbox360 to Ps4/xbox720 or something?
But the Wii gained success for, arguably, all the wrong reasons - low price due to graphical shortcomings, a game library that grew to cater the casual audience over the hard-core market, and the attraction in ease-of-use, which again, drew in the inexperienced users.
What we want now is a solid 3rd party support that delivers on the content we missed out on last time (whilst retaining the type of games that caught the attention of the newer markets), a decent online service/infrastructure so as to simplify multiplayer and deliver an experience that rivals XBL etc. and the right price/launch date that keeps the cost of the console (and hopefully controllers) down and gathers enough attention and sales, respectively.
AceBandage
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No.
But based on everything we know, there's nothing to suggest that the jump between the Wii U and the PS4/NextBox will be all that significant.
That's not at all what they think. They're proposing the same thing you are. They're saying there's no concrete information to speculate whether there will be a large gap or not. Those people who are saying there won't be a large gap are simply giving a counter example to those who say there will be.
DC -> PS2 is probably a best case scenario in my opinion.
But really, the main problem with making assumptions about a future gap in power is that when know very little about the Wii U and we know nothing about the other consoles. I'm expected a higher bump in capabilities than the Wii U, just like everyone else is, but it's impossible to say with certainty what Sony and MS might do. They very well might tone down the specs a bit in order to try lose a bit less on hardware or make a more mass market affordable console. Who knows though? We sure don't
Lots of people expect the jump to PS4/Xbox3 to be relatively small compared to last gen. Based on insider information of the devkit and official information, the Wii U is quite potent. It's in fact so potent, that the tech to create a console that's in a completely different league compared to the Wii U will probably not be available for MS and Sony for use in a 2012 or 2013 console. Nothing is certain here, but Nintendo doesn't seem to be screwing this up.
AceBandage
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DC -> PS2 is probably a best case scenario in my opinion.
But really, the main problem with making assumptions about a future gap in power is that when know very little about the Wii U and we know nothing about the other consoles. I'm expected a higher bump in capabilities than the Wii U, just like everyone else is, but it's impossible to say with certainty what Sony and MS might do. They very well might tone down the specs a bit in order to try lose a bit less on hardware or make a more mass market affordable console. Who knows though? We sure don't
Well, YOU sure don't.
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Grampa Simpson
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It all comes down to killer app theory. Can we get another Wii Sports or Wii Fit out of them?
hardcastlemccormick
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If WiiU has the tablet controller and doesn't have an Advance Wars game I'm quitting gaming.
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Tech question, if the WiiU supports backwards compatibility for Wii games, we're likely to not see anything that upgrades the resolution beyond a nice scaler. But could it possibly remove the 16-bit color and dithering of Wii games? This is a matter regarding console GPU architecture I don't know much about so I'm looking for some education.
EDIT:
Tech question, if the WiiU supports backwards compatibility for Wii games, we're likely to not see anything that upgrades the resolution beyond a nice scaler. But could it possibly remove the 16-bit color and dithering of Wii games? This is a matter regarding console GPU architecture I don't know much about so I'm looking for some education.
DC -> PS2 is probably a best case scenario in my opinion.
But really, the main problem with making assumptions about a future gap in power is that when know very little about the Wii U and we know nothing about the other consoles. I'm expected a higher bump in capabilities than the Wii U, just like everyone else is, but it's impossible to say with certainty what Sony and MS might do. They very well might tone down the specs a bit in order to try lose a bit less on hardware or make a more mass market affordable console. Who knows though? We sure don't
Eh...
I'd say XBox/Wii -> Vita is the best case.
AceBandage
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Depends on how exactly BC is achieved, really.
That's just nonsense...
The Wii/Xbox couldn't handle the shading techniques the Vita can.
The Wii U will be able to handle the shading techniques the PS4/720 can.
Do you realise how much more powerful XBox was in comparison to PS2?
The more I think about it, I'd love to see a SEGA/RETRO collaboration n an F-zero Wii U game.
The team behind GX nailed the racing mechanics and approach, but I feel the franchise could benefit a little from retro's graphical experience and metroid-esque style, whilst offering a little more of a 'western' touch to the game.
The team behind GX nailed the racing mechanics and approach, but I feel the franchise could benefit a little from retro's graphical experience and metroid-esque style, whilst offering a little more of a 'western' touch to the game.
hardcastlemccormick
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That's what I thought actually, just as I posted that, but I edit too much already.
I'm not going to get all hyped up like the people in the Dolphin threads saying "Ahh I'll just wait until the WiiU makes my Wii games look like that" (which is pretty unrealistic considering they're looking at supersampled monstrosities) but I'm just curious to know if it would be possible. If the BC is using actual Wii parts, probably not, but if it is emulating the Wii entirely or using the WiiU's GPU to do some of the rendering work, maybe we could get a reduction of the dithering.
I obviously mean raw power....
Oh! I know! It would be like Apple A4 -> Vita. Yeah, that probably paints a better picture. If not, then just say PSP -> Wii
Speculating on the Wii U <> PS4/X720 gap by comparing them to previous console gaps is nonsensical because this time the graphics will differ only in raw power, and not in capabilities. Every piece of graphics the PS4/X720 can do will be doable on the Wii U, albeit more slowly or less of it.
I expect the PS4/X720 will be less than twice as powerful in the CPU department, about twice as powerful in the GPU department, and have twice the memory the Wii U has, maybe slightly more.
I expect the PS4/X720 will be less than twice as powerful in the CPU department, about twice as powerful in the GPU department, and have twice the memory the Wii U has, maybe slightly more.
Features, that won't be the case.
AceBandage
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No no no.
People, stop relegating Retro to making a Racing game!
They need to work on a grandiose adventure!
Star Tropics ahoy!
BC like we see in Dolphin is pretty much impossible on a console.
Every game would needs its own unique emulator with its own unique settings.
And no company is going to do that for an entire library.
We'll see it for select titles, maybe, that are remade and re-released.
Well, here's the deal. We know a lot of developers that have already committed to using Unreal Engine 3 or CryEngine 3 for the forseeable future, and we know those engines both run on the Wii U. So regardless of how much power the next-gen systems have, the games will still be running on the same engines, thus, worst case scenario, the Wii U will just have uglier versions of said games.
hardcastlemccormick
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That's what I just said. There's no way we'll get a jump in resolution. I'm talking about dithering and 16 bit color.
AceBandage
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Well, theoretically, yes. It could help to clean up some things. If it's running natively on the Wii U's GPU.
Quit living in a dream, maaan! Star Tropics won't see the light of day again, sorry
I just really want to see a RETRO inspired F-Zero... but that said, I'd be ecstatic (and probably more pleased) if they revealed a new 'Prime.
*EDIT* When I think of when they said they were working on a project that "everyone wants them to do", I cant think of anything else apart from Metroid... instead, maybe, Eternal Darkness.
AceBandage
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To be fair, you also had a gut feeling that the 3DS would be discontinued soon and that Nintendo would be forced out of the console business...
Quit living in a dream, maaan! Star Tropics won't see the light of day again, sorry
I just really want to see a RETRO inspired F-Zero... but that said, I'd be ecstatic (and probably more pleased) if they revealed a new 'Prime.
I just think that Nintendo could get better studios working on F-Zero. Like Monster Games. I mean, Excite Trucks was such an amazing game.
Tangential: I really need to start using mutli-quote... Old habits die hard.
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