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[TheExplodingHead]

That's not interesting, that's just blatant trolling. How would a triple core Broadway variant (@ approximately the same clock speed) even close to the Xenon in power?

Even with all types of efficiency, it still wouldn't be close to the Xenon for actual in-game performance. But let's do the math, the Broadway CPU is clocked at 729mhz, that's quite a derivative leap to clock at 1.5GHz for a custom triple core. And still it won't outperform the Xenon clock for clock. It's either a Power 7 derivative (based on IBM's own words), or it's a MUCH FASTER triple core derivative of Wii's CPU to be competitive with Xenon.

My money is still on a very low clocked 2.1GHz-2.3GHz Quad Core P7 derivative.

 

[antonz]

People need to just get over beyond3D. Its a mere shadow of its former self. Majority of any of the tech minded people ran off long ago and morons fill the forums now.

The Broadway CPU technology is so old they probably couldn't even break 1 Ghz if they wanted too and while clock speed isnt everything as ancient as Broadway is there is no way even a tri core broadway is going to be enough to do anything.

Im not sure why anyone is wasting their time on blatant bullshit. IBM already said the CPU has a ton of EDRAM and is based on Watson Technology.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I need a damn time machine, so tired of bs rumors

 

[Xun]

People need to just get over beyond3D. Its a mere shadow of its former self. Majority of any of the tech minded people ran off long ago and morons fill the forums now.

The Broadway CPU technology is so old they probably couldn't even break 1 Ghz if they wanted too and while clock speed isnt everything as ancient as Broadway is there is no way even a tri core broadway is going to be enough to do anything.

Im not sure why anyone is wasting their time on blatant bullshit. IBM already said the CPU has a ton of EDRAM and is based on Watson Technology.

Exactly.

 

[wsippel]

That the Power7 rumors are bullshit and so is the 16MB eDRAM speculation.
Processor will be a multicore revision of the Wii processor with clockrates much closer to Wii than XBox360.

Wild guesses of estimated clock rate of ~1,5 GHz and clarification that despite of this the CPU could be perfectly competitve with Xenon.

That does't make much sense. According to IBM, the PPC750 line is highly unsuited for SMP, even with tons of modifications. And absolutely every rumor so far was pointing at a clock speed between 3 and 3.5GHz.

 

[klier]

It's because I like Nintendo so much that I keep coming back to this damned thread almost every day....damn.....

Don't want to read all the bullshit that's being posted here every single day

 

[BurntPork]

Interesting post on Beyond3D Forums regarding WiiU's CPU.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1571368&postcount=43

Was the first post of this user on Beyond3D, could there be something about it?

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[AceBandage]

Haha, using the same CPU as the Wii/GC.
What an idiot.

 

[Easy_D]

I honestly have no idea how he pulled that out of his ass, that it would be a "step in the wrong direction". I mean isn't it the only natural and obvious step for Nintendo to take?

Maybe his company can only make Wii-level games. Where are they gonna dump their shovelware now?

 

[lherre]

My money is still on a very low clocked 2.1GHz-2.3GHz Quad Core P7 derivative.

You will lose your money easily ...

Is a triple core

 

[BurntPork]

Maybe his company can only make Wii-level games. Where are they gonna dump their shovelware now?

They're going to be yet another casualty of the HD era, and nothing of value will be lost.

 

[disap.ed]

Haha, using the same CPU as the Wii/GC.
What an idiot.

To be fair he didn't write it's the same, but " It's directly descended from the CPU core in the Wii" which could mean everything (you could say Intel Core Architecture is directly descended from Pentium Pro).

I really don't know what to think, on the one side this would be 100% Nintendo (low power, robust design), on the other side I can't believe that the customizations and optimizations could make up twice the clock rate of Xenon or even outperform it.

 

[McHuj]

They say it's this CPU:
https://www-01.ibm.com/chips/techli...525763200547AED/$file/476fp_wp_04_07_2011.pdf

IMO, that's a lot more probable CPU than any other. A 4 core version would likely around 1.6 GHz would like be somewhere in between the Cell PPE and Xenon in terms of performance. I'm sure Nintendo would get a slightly customized version. It seems very power efficient as well.

Some of the early rumors suggested that the WiiU would be slightly weaker on the CPU side, but much stronger on the GPU side than then current consoles. This processor would probably fit that bill.

 

[BurntPork]

Am I the only one concerned by third-parties being wary of putting 2012 games on Wii U? Tomb Raider and Far Cry 3 haven't been announced for it, and now it looks like Borderlands 2 won't be announced for it either. Meanwhile, it's getting 2011 games like Batman: AC and Ghost Recon Online (but not Future Soldier). I know that Rome wasn't built in a day, but this is worrying.

 

[cajunator]

I just really want to buy this thing as soon as possible.

 

[[Nintex]]

Am I the only one concerned by third-parties being wary of putting 2012 games on Wii U? Tomb Raider and Far Cry 2 haven't been announced for it, and now it looks like Borderlands 2 won't be announced for it either. Meanwhile, it's getting 2011 games like Batman: AC and Ghost Recon Online (but not Future Soldier). I know that Rome wasn't built in a day, but this is worrying.

Like always Nintendo will release any and all announcements at their own pace at their own events. They could still move the release to a later date which may cause games like Batman to be scrapped because there's no interest anymore.

Interestingly enough some Dutch retailers are listing Wii U with a vague 'May 2012' release now. It could've been made up but it was just '2012' before.

 

[Mithos]

Am I the only one concerned by third-parties being wary of putting 2012 games on Wii U? Tomb Raider and Far Cry 2 haven't been announced for it, and now it looks like Borderlands 2 won't be announced for it either. Meanwhile, it's getting 2011 games like Batman: AC and Ghost Recon Online (but not Future Soldier). I know that Rome wasn't built in a day, but this is worrying.

NO, I want to know the same, CURSE YOU NDA!!!!

 

[Chû Totoro]

NO, I want to know the same, CURSE YOU NDA!!!!

And when does that NDA ends? ;

 

[BurntPork]

Like always Nintendo will release any and all announcements at their own pace at their own events. They could still move the release to a later date which may cause games like Batman to be scrapped because there's no interest anymore.

Interestingly enough some Dutch retailers are listing Wii U with a vague 'May 2012' release now. It could've been made up but it was just '2012' before.

Yeah, I know that it could be an NDA, but at the same time, an NDA like that is more harmful than anything. Besides that, Tomb Raider and FC3 (lol I messed up *goes to edit*) could have been announced at E3, so those probably aren't coming at all. Also, some Wii U games have been announced since E3.

 

[Übermatik]

On the topic of graphics capabilities, but off at a tangent regarding this particular thread, this just came through on my Twitter feed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gAbgBu8R4&feature=player_embedded

It's an update from a small australian technology company called Euclideon, and I think it's really important in assessing the progress and scale of graphics performance in the gaming industry. using cloud point 'molecules' instead of polygons really opens up a world of possibilities to developers, and gives us a possible glimpse into the future of games production. With this technology, enormous scale and detail can be achieved in the modelling of objects - take a look at the real life rock scan for an example, and the individual grains of dirt.

Although undoubtedly impossible with today's hardware, Euclideon seem to be committed to making this technology available for games developers in the near future. With more optimisation and development, this could be a real breakthrough - one which is being associated with the jump from 2D to 3D.

What do you guys think?

 

[Plinko]

Like always Nintendo will release any and all announcements at their own pace at their own events. They could still move the release to a later date which may cause games like Batman to be scrapped because there's no interest anymore.

Interestingly enough some Dutch retailers are listing Wii U with a vague 'May 2012' release now. It could've been made up but it was just '2012' before.

Would be nice. I was predicting right after E3 so they could showcase more games.

 

[Mithos]

Besides that, Tomb Raider and FC3 (lol I messed up *goes to edit*) could have been announced at E3, so those probably aren't coming at all. Also, some Wii U games have been announced since E3.

BAD THINGS will happen if Tomb Raider won't come out on Wii U!!! REALLY BAD THINGS!!!!

 

[bgassassin]

Interesting post on Beyond3D Forums regarding WiiU's CPU.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1571368&postcount=43

Was the first post of this user on Beyond3D, could there be something about it?

Must be Grampa Simpson. ;P

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27915357#post27915357

He and Thraktor had a nice little debate about it back during the Cafe days.

It's funny looking back at the posts in that thread.

 

[TunaLover]

Am I the only one concerned by third-parties being wary of putting 2012 games on Wii U? Tomb Raider and Far Cry 3 haven't been announced for it, and now it looks like Borderlands 2 won't be announced for it either. Meanwhile, it's getting 2011 games like Batman: AC and Ghost Recon Online (but not Future Soldier). I know that Rome wasn't built in a day, but this is worrying.

I'm more worried about just 2 (two) announcements from japanese 3rd parties.

 

[radioheadrule83]

It's not really had *any* announcements. The only reason we know about Darksiders et al, is that they were shown during the E3 unveil or talked about in the interviews that followed -- we've mostly had tech demos. There is sure to be a proper event / venue for game announcements. At some point they'll have to start talking about launch titles, and if it really is going to be May/June sort of time, they can't really wait for E3 to do that... I'm betting we'll start to hear more towards the end of the year.

 

[lednerg]

Am I the only one concerned by third-parties being wary of putting 2012 games on Wii U? Tomb Raider and Far Cry 2 haven't been announced for it, and now it looks like Borderlands 2 won't be announced for it either. Meanwhile, it's getting 2011 games like Batman: AC and Ghost Recon Online (but not Future Soldier). I know that Rome wasn't built in a day, but this is worrying.

We haven't heard about all the games in development for Wii U at this point. For example, on GT's live show right after the Nintendo E3 conference, Michael Pachter said “I walked out with the guy who runs Guitar Hero. And I said, ‘I can’t believe that that’s not on Wii U, and he goes ‘It’ll be on Wii U, but we’re not gonna announce that yet.’ And so there you go.” (He then sheepishly apologized to the man in question for spilling the beans.) Just because games haven't been announced doesn't mean they aren't already in production.

 

[TheExplodingHead]

You will loose your money easily ...

Is a triple core

We'll see then I guess, it'll be either a tri or quad for sure. I'm pretty confident on my clockspeeds though if Nintendo is honestly looking for ports that perform better. But my hunch is that it'll be a quad in the final design. Whether or not a core is reserved for other tasks, is another story. There's quite a lot you can do multi-function wise (tablet and features) with a core specifically reserved than not.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

Casey Hudson believes new Nintendo console is 'very exciting.


Mass Effect 3 executive producer Casey Hudson believes the Wii U is very exciting, but needs to spend more time with the console.

"It's an interesting system. One of the challenges and opportunities with that kind of device is that it takes a while to really figure out what the amazing forms of gameplay will be - but it also has enough flexibility to potentially do things that are totally unprecedented in games," Hudson told Nowgamer. "It's very exciting, but I definitely need to think more about it and spend more time with the actual hardware."

Many Unreal Engine 3 titles have been announced for the Wii U, but Mass Effect isn't one of them. Epic has even stated that the Unreal Engine is a natural fit for the Wii U.

While EA is yet to officially announce any titles for Wii U, EA Sports has hinted that FIFA could launch with the console in 2012.

VideoGamer.com Analysis

Do you think we'll see any of the Mass Effect trilogy on the Wii U? Could the games benefit from the console's touchscreen tablet controller?

Videogamer.com

 

[Lonely1]

You will loose your money easily ...

Is a triple core

one core disabled for higher yields...

 

[BurntPork]

Mass Effect seems like a good fit for Nintendo's core audience, so I won't be shocked if it's announced.

 

[Mithos]

Mass Effect seems like a good fit for Nintendo's core audience, so I won't be shocked if it's announced.

Bioware should have allowed for crossplatform savegame import, and I could do the switch......

 

[Lonely1]

Well, this third party multypats are bound to sell a lot less on the Wii U than Ps3/360 given the much lower instal base for the first couple of years. Less see if Nintendo can leverage this.

 

[BurntPork]

Well, this third party multypats are bound to sell a lot less on the Wii U than Ps3/360 given the much lower instal base for the first couple of years. Less see if Nintendo can leverage this.

Thousands of them.

 

[TunaLover]

Thousands of them.

Nintendo doesn't have that money to spread, and they probably only money hat really big IPs.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

I'm more worried about just 2 (two) announcements from japanese 3rd parties.

Capcom said around TGS that Japanese companies will be announcing their first titles. From Capcom at least we'll probably see Dragon's Dogma and some fighter ports.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Nintendo doesn't have that money to spread, and they probably only money hat really big IPs.

???
Didn't they make 15 billion in profits this gen? They've got the money but they seem to hate moneyhatting other publishers so...

 

[BurntPork]

Nintendo doesn't have that money to spread, and they probably only money hat really big IPs.

They only really have to cover the costs of porting. They have more than enough for that, especially for IPs like Mass Effect, Tomb Raider, and Far Cry.

 

[lherre]

Nintendo doesn't have that money to spread, and they probably only money hat really big IPs.

What??

 

[Stumpokapow]

Nintendo doesn't have that money to spread

they have a 15 billion dollar bucket of cash

 

[TunaLover]

I though it only was 6 billion, woah, they really grow some money, I had no idea =P

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Thousands of them.

That's for Monster Hunter 4 and Dragon Quest XII. :3

 

[Saint Gregory]

they have a 15 billion dollar bucket of cash

Is that really all they have total? Like I said in my earlier post I thought that cash was just since 2006 and they still had their money stash from earlier generations of profit.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

That's for Monster Hunter 4 and Dragon Quest XII. :3

don't you mean DQ XI?

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

don't you mean DQ XI?

That's coming out of the 3DS-hat.

 

[KageMaru]

People need to just get over beyond3D. Its a mere shadow of its former self. Majority of any of the tech minded people ran off long ago and morons fill the forums now.

The Broadway CPU technology is so old they probably couldn't even break 1 Ghz if they wanted too and while clock speed isnt everything as ancient as Broadway is there is no way even a tri core broadway is going to be enough to do anything.

Im not sure why anyone is wasting their time on blatant bullshit. IBM already said the CPU has a ton of EDRAM and is based on Watson Technology.

lol I take it you don't visit the forum often if you really think this. There are plenty of people there who have a good idea about what they are talking about. Not defending this Expresso guy, but you can't judge the whole forum based on one random post.

Also, you have a link specifically stating the Wii-U CPU is based on Watson?

Am I the only one concerned by third-parties being wary of putting 2012 games on Wii U? Tomb Raider and Far Cry 3 haven't been announced for it, and now it looks like Borderlands 2 won't be announced for it either. Meanwhile, it's getting 2011 games like Batman: AC and Ghost Recon Online (but not Future Soldier). I know that Rome wasn't built in a day, but this is worrying.

I'd be more concerned about the lack of 3rd party exclusives and the Wii-U becoming a "port box" for games that you can get on a $200 console. If not exclusive, then it would be great to see 3rd party games developed for the Wii-U's strengths (both controller and tech-wise) then ported down to the PS3/360.

Unfortunately either scenario (exclusive support or dev-lead support) seems unlikely when you consider the massive install base gap between the ps360 and Wii-U.

That's my biggest concern with the Wii-U. That it'll be the port box this and next gen, with only Ninty and rare 3rd party exclusives pushing the system based on it's unique strengths.

Nintendo doesn't have that money to spread, and they probably only money hat really big IPs.

lol Nintendo has money. The question is, do they want to spend it on 3rd parties?

 

[Father_Brain]

I expect no remotely substantive Wii U news before Nintendo's next press event, regardless of what Capcom said about TGS.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

lol I take it you don't visit the forum often if you really think this. There are plenty of people there who have a good idea about what they are talking about. Not defending this Expresso guy, but you can't judge the whole forum based on one random post.

Also, you have a link specifically stating the Wii-U CPU is based on Watson?



I'd be more concerned about the lack of 3rd party exclusives and the Wii-U becoming a "port box" for games that you can get on a $200 console. If not exclusive, then it would be great to see 3rd party games developed for the Wii-U's strengths (both controller and tech-wise) then ported down to the PS3/360.

Unfortunately either scenario (exclusive support or dev-lead support) seems unlikely when you consider the massive install base gap between the ps360 and Wii-U.

That's my biggest concern with the Wii-U. That it'll be the port box this and next gen, with only Ninty and rare 3rd party exclusives pushing the system based on it's unique strengths.



lol Nintendo has money. The question is, do they want to spend it on 3rd parties?

Iwata: Nintendo willing to invest to get 3rd party support.

 

[BurntPork]

I'd be more concerned about the lack of 3rd party exclusives and the Wii-U becoming a "port box" for games that you can get on a $200 console. If not exclusive, then it would be great to see 3rd party games developed for the Wii-U's strengths (both controller and tech-wise) then ported down to the PS3/360.

Unfortunately either scenario (exclusive support or dev-lead support) seems unlikely when you consider the massive install base gap between the ps360 and Wii-U.

That's my biggest concern with the Wii-U. That it'll be the port box this and next gen, with only Ninty and rare 3rd party exclusives pushing the system based on it's unique strengths.

Sadly, Nintendo would need to dominate next-gen to get a lot of good exclusives. Honestly, I think Nintendo is most likely looking at second or even third-place next-gen unless they do something BIG that knocks everyone's socks off.

I expect no remotely substantive Wii U news before Nintendo's next press event, regardless of what Capcom said about TGS.

I agree. I think the Capcom guy was speculating. However, I also think that he knows that Japanese companies have some games in development that are ready to be announced.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

I expect no remotely substantive Wii U news before Nintendo's next press event, regardless of what Capcom said about TGS.

Not at TGS, around TGS. Nintendo will no doubt have their own event near TGS, like with 3DS last year.

 

[TunaLover]

I expect no remotely substantive Wii U news before Nintendo's next press event, regardless of what Capcom said about TGS.

I agree, Nintendo doesn't have any presence there, it couldn't be a good place to showcase Wii U 3rd paty titles.