Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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IceDoesntHelp said:
When DKCR began to fall into the hands of GAF I noticed even many Yamamoto fans were lamenting the music, with the consensus being that while he did a great job with the Prime games he was out of his element with DKCR.
In a (shorter) sentence, the music of DKCR sucks, seemingly objectively so.
walking fiend
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where did you arrive at those numbers?BurntPork said:
The only comments we have on Wii U price are 'it is not going to launch at the current price of Wii [in Japan]' and that 'limiting controller support to one was based on reducing the cost of the system and increasing the equal opportunity'.
What system has dropped by 33% in just one year that you expect PS3 to become 200$ by the next year? Especially now that it is the best selling console overall and that in the past 5 years it has dropped in price by at most 50% and that the new model introduced in Japan was released at the same price.
Cmd. Pishad'aç
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Some people are really claiming that a PS3 + PSV + Move + Move Nunchuk (don't know the name) + PSeye Camera will be sold as a complete pack?
And that pack will be a easier sale than the Wii U ? x_x
Note: All those items listed are needed in order to provide the same experience as Wii U, since the console relies on asymmetric design for multiplayer, I believe that some Elite bundle will be sold including both a wiimote+ and nunchuk, along with the new fancy tablet.
And that pack will be a easier sale than the Wii U ? x_x
Note: All those items listed are needed in order to provide the same experience as Wii U, since the console relies on asymmetric design for multiplayer, I believe that some Elite bundle will be sold including both a wiimote+ and nunchuk, along with the new fancy tablet.
abstract alien
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Yeah, I really don't get the complaint about DK:R having bad graphics/textures. I guess if you just stood still and looked at some stuff rather than actually moving around and playing it then maybe. If you were anal about its screen shot quality and all.
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Cmd. Pishad'aç said:
I don't even think it will be a second sku. It will be standard- and I'm guessing those tablet-plus-remote Wii Sports games shown in the concept video will come pre-loaded on the hard drive. This is Nintendo's chance to make motion+ a standard and not an ignored peripheral.
LestradeTGQ
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Curious question: A lot of Nintendo's North American customers are (rightfully) upset that in the Wii's twilight years we aren't seeing many games worth looking forward to. How were we all feeling about our original Xboxes in those 12 months leading up to the 360's release?
I ask because the Xbox had a prematurely short lifespanonly four and a half years or so, I thinkand when Microsoft pulled the plug and moved on, they did so pretty quickly. Obviously the Xbox 360 was a marked improvement over the original and has performed much, much better. Could the Wii U be in a similar situation?
I ask because the Xbox had a prematurely short lifespanonly four and a half years or so, I thinkand when Microsoft pulled the plug and moved on, they did so pretty quickly. Obviously the Xbox 360 was a marked improvement over the original and has performed much, much better. Could the Wii U be in a similar situation?
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BurntPork said:
The fact that there's a slew of releases and Live has become so dominant when anyone wants an exclusive, or even non exclusive games, they're going to get a 360 because all the people who own a 360. Oh, I'm sure Kinect is selling in bundle value packs pretty well, but it's shown to be nothing more than a neat tech gadget no one is actually ever going to buy anything for. Microsoft can release 'Kinect Fit' next month and no one would care.
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hatchx said:
Not if you live in Europe.
walking fiend
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360 was beaten badly in 2006 by PS2 in US.
You forgot Bit Trip Complete. It also got FAST.
It is also getting all important 3rd parties that helped it sell (Just Dance 3, etc.)
only thing it is not getting, is core multiplat ports.
I could be wrong about PS3 and the drop might only be $50 this year. However, I definitely see Sony dropping another $50 for the 2012 holiday to compete with Wii U even better.walking fiend said:
As for Wii U's price, looking at 3DS and the fact that will be more powerful than PS3, $350 definitely seems like the most probable pricepoint. I strongly believe that Wii U's GPU is a 640-shader part and approximately 3x current-gen machines.
boyshine
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BurntPork said:
People have made that choice every generation. Add-ons or connectivity features never work. And as has been said the PS3&Vita combo does not "do the exact same thing".. no such feature is announced, and are you suggesting that Vita somehow is more ergonomic than the Wii U controller? Have you held both? If anything previews suggest that the Wii U controller is (to paraphrase almost every preview) "surprisingly light and comfortable".
Also, the Vita library will be just as "tiny" at this point in time, and the library of PS3 games that support dual screen gameplay would surely be 0, or 1 at the most.
And how do you come to the conclusion that Wii U is "already a tough sell!"? Are you suggesting that buying a PS3 and Vita because of a theoretical possibility of similar-to-Wii U game experiences is somehow a easier sell? If a clerk would pitch that idea to me I would drop down laughing on the spot! Or just walk away. Probably the latter.
Lastly you're suggesting that every PS3-user is a rabbid fanboy unable of enjoying games on other platforms. As a PS3-user (and every other console, including portables) myself I'm really interested in any new gaming hardware that can offer new and/or better ways of playing games, be it controls, graphics or just because of the games. You don't know the launch list of Wii U titles, so you can't say who will and who won't be interested in it.
walking fiend
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gamecube was more powerful than PS2 and it launched at 199$, while PS2 was still 299$. In september 2003 it was 99$, while PS2 was 179$. I'll be really surprised as in happy, but I won't be suprised as in unbelievable, if Wii U launches even at 249$.BurntPork said:
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Sadist said:
Even better, why haven't known releases gotten release dates yet? We're already 16 days into Q3 and still have no idea what day or months games are coming. I think they're probably rethinking things a little bit with the way 3DS sales have gone and probably how the E3 reception was with their stocks and confusion over the new system. They really need to make some adjustments I think.
Definitely not, that's absurd. For me, it's just inconsistent and midi instrumentation is less acceptable today. Some of his remixes are better than their originals and he did a good job in the jungle and factory levels imo.JaseC said:
walking fiend
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No.
Anoop said:
He was talking about the current price of Wii and he was talking with Nikkei website (which is why Anoop has concluded the 20,000 price). It launched in Japan at 25,000.
I was arguing with the ones who told me that they can do everything that Wii U does. (Look at the last page or two.) Someone did bring up the good point that both consoles co-existing means that we'll see the dual-screen functionality used on both platforms in multiplatform games if it's possible, and that is a double-edged sword for Nintendo unless they can get a compelling exclusive beyond their own first-party efforts to attract PS3 owners and show that Vita is inferior to Wii U's controller as a... controller.... Sorry, That just seemed like such an od thing to type.boyshine said:
On the ergonomics part, that was my bad. I meant that Wii U's controller looks uncomfortable to many people. Most of the "dudebro" crowd probably won't even give it a try, honestly, simply because they fear change and it's made by Nintendo. (Granted, Nintendo will most likely screw up online, so I guess they were screwed there either way.)
From the sound of things, you'll probably end up buying it regardless of what else is in the market because you like Nintendo's games and you buy every platform. The issue is that people like you are the exception, rather than the rule. I'm talking about the people who didn't buy/felt burned by the Wii.
lunchwithyuzo
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Wii U's going to launch at $299 most likely. If PS3 gets down to $199 by that time though, I think Nintendo could go for $249. They're definitely not going to pull another 3DS though.
walking fiend
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not your fault, gaming tabloids made the mistake (almost all of them), the error was so widespread that no one noticed.Sadist said:
1UP said:
Currency conversion ratio has changed at the moment. When Wii launched, it was actually < $220 if I remember currently, and accidentally at the moment ratio is so that 20,000 equals to $250. (launch price info @Wiki)
walking fiend
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by 2012, 360 slim price could drop to 149$ (Whether they do this or not is not relevant), so for them to launch at 299$ should mean an overhead of 149$ just for the controller extras. This is NEVER going to happen.Sennorin said:
I really don't want it to launch at $250. That would most likely mean that the GPU is an RV730-based chip and that there's not much RAM. Nintendo's probably aiming for at last a $50 profit on each console. Hell, some people here think it'll be more than a $100 profit. They're probably going to wait until the last minute to announce price, and if the 3DS does well this holiday season at $250, Nintendo will not hesitate for a second to price Wii U at $350 or even $400. Nintendo doesn't care about being cheapest anymore, unfortunately.walking fiend said:
I really hope that it's $300 with Nintendo settling for Vita-like margin, but something tells me that Nintendo hasn't learned from the mistakes they made with Wii.
walking fiend
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Analyst said Wii was selling with a profit of 6$ in 2008. We don't know how much money they are making out of a 3DS at the moment either.BurntPork said:
And as I said, they launched Gamecube which was more powerful than PS2 at a 33% lower price; if I want to make an analogy, it would have been similar to PS3 launching at 300$ while 360 was 479$.
lunchwithyuzo
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It doesn't matter how much more powerful it is, it's going to have largely the same games so Nintendo's going to push to keep price disparity as close as possible. The public reaction to Wii U's roll out wasn't overwhelmingly positive either, and after the soft launch they had with 3DS (despite arguably the most positive pre-launch reaction to any system since the PS2) I don't think Nintendo is going to take anything for granted this time. They can't afford to, they have to build that base asap.Sennorin said:
boiled goose
good with gravy
BurntPork said:
the mistake of the wii pricing early on was that it was way too cheap.
it was sold out for 2+ years...
IceDoesntHelp
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I liked some of the tunes, even if some of them just sounded like they were ripped out of the Metroid Prime series.JaseC said:
We know that each 3DS unit (including everything in the box) costs $103 to make, so they must be making at least $100 per unit. And the Nintendo of 2001 is long gone. If it costs less, it's because we're getting less.walking fiend said:
I'm aware of this, and sadly I think that's the only thing they'll learn. That's also largely why I think that they'll feel it can sell at $350. Based on 3DS, they clearlydon't understand how much the market has changed this gen.amtentori said:
AceBandage
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BurntPork said:
We know that the 3DS costs $103 for parts. That means nothing, though.
Shin Johnpv
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BurntPork said:
No you DON'T know that. That crappy iSupply image, and break down is not accurate, nor do they have any insight or clue as to what chips/parts etc are going into the 3DS.
People need to stop quoting that bullshit.
ShockingAlberto
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This is faulty logic based on unverified information.BurntPork said:
Must be a BurntPork post!
I'm not sure... They were right with Wii and DS, while there was a lot of criticism.BurntPork said:
I don't find surprising that 3DS is "too" expensive. It's pretty obvious that they wanted to continue selling DS, and a lower-cost 3DS would have mean they had to reduce further the DS prices. I think that their objective is to slowly replace DS with 3DS (be it a good idea or a bad one). They haven't currently anything to reproduce the DS success, and DS success wasn't built the first year anyway.
Wii U is a complete different matter, and I'm pretty sure that Wii U will completely replace Wii on the shelves. There won't be much Wii support after the Wii U launch, most probably.
walking fiend
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First, I mentioned that as a reply to you when you said:BurntPork said:Penguins fly south for the winter.
Anyway, couldn't the same be said of the $6 figure for the Wii in 2008?
Seriously, that hurt.
Second, $6 spread by Forbes, not a no name site listing bill of material or some people who think Nintendo is cheap.
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but I for one, don't trust either, it is best if we don't draw conlusions based on them. We neither know how much 3DS actually costs (bill of material, assembly, shipment, R&D, etc, all considered), nor do we know how much PSV costs.
I don't like how people treat your posts
lunchwithyuzo
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I think 3DS was probably put together with the intention of pricing at $199 originally. I don't think Iwata was being untruthful when he said the overwhelmingly positive press response was what helped them decide to go higher. If they could go back and change things too, I've no doubt Nintendo would price at $199.
There's pretty much no way Wii U is going to be $349 though. 3DS sales have killed any possibility of that.
There's pretty much no way Wii U is going to be $349 though. 3DS sales have killed any possibility of that.
It really depends on what the Wii U is finally going to be. Even though the system has been revealed at E3, we know about nothing about it. We don´t know its specs, which controllers it comes with, what software-features it´ll have, what online will look like, etc.. Anything from 249 to 349 is possible.
The one thing I hope for is that Nintendo doesn´t think a 360 with a screen-controller is enough for their next 5 year-cycle.
The one thing I hope for is that Nintendo doesn´t think a 360 with a screen-controller is enough for their next 5 year-cycle.
DefectiveReject
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$100 a unit profit........ Lol
Advertising, development, distribution, network, spot pass, e.t.c. E.t.c all cost nothing I suppose.
As for 360 selling well.
Maybe with what HD penetration now being very high, people want a HD machine and therefore buying a 360 due to it being the cheapest? With a good bunch of games.
As for your speculation on Wii U........ Just no.
Ps3 and Vita as per iPad and Apple TV are just a big no. It's not a standardised set up as WiiU and controller will be. Plus WiiU does all the processing and sends it over to the dummy terminal that is the controller.
Plus ou can play the game on the WiiU switch to controller and then back to the WiiU, whereas with the iPad you defo can't do that , and With the PS3 / Vita you'd need two copies of the game, a vita and a PS3. That's a (even going with a $200 ps3) $550 buy in. Compared to what $300+ with WiiU. So no the WiiU is not a tough sell in comparison.
Advertising, development, distribution, network, spot pass, e.t.c. E.t.c all cost nothing I suppose.
As for 360 selling well.
Maybe with what HD penetration now being very high, people want a HD machine and therefore buying a 360 due to it being the cheapest? With a good bunch of games.
As for your speculation on Wii U........ Just no.
Ps3 and Vita as per iPad and Apple TV are just a big no. It's not a standardised set up as WiiU and controller will be. Plus WiiU does all the processing and sends it over to the dummy terminal that is the controller.
Plus ou can play the game on the WiiU switch to controller and then back to the WiiU, whereas with the iPad you defo can't do that , and With the PS3 / Vita you'd need two copies of the game, a vita and a PS3. That's a (even going with a $200 ps3) $550 buy in. Compared to what $300+ with WiiU. So no the WiiU is not a tough sell in comparison.
Reggie has already stated that their plan with Wii U is the same as 3DS, with Wii U intended for early adopters who will pay more. That said, the situation is a bit different in that Wii's price will be $150 or lower when Wii U launches, so it would be next to impossible the two to compete, and Wii is so dead now that Nintendo is probably really wishing that they could launch Wii U this year.Koren said:
walking fiend said:
I guess it's my fault for being such a pessimist...
I don't think they blame 3DS bombing on price as much as they do on games and the lack of the eShop for the launch window.lunchwithyuzo said:
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How well do you think they pay those Chinese factory workers?ShockingAlberto said:
Nintendo knew the DS will sell a lot in 2011 and there is no way they would lower their profit on it. So, we got the 3DS price as a premium. Nothing in the 3DS would push for higher sales right now, the online is not there, the games are not here, the competition in Japan is strong, christmas is far. For the Wii, Nintendo will monitor the sales of the Wii after christmas and depending on the outcome will replace (or not) the Wii by thr WiiU or downgrade significantly the price of the Wii for late buyers.
I am more worried on the capacity of Nintendo to handle to next gen platforms at the same time.
I am more worried on the capacity of Nintendo to handle to next gen platforms at the same time.
walking fiend
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they expect to do gangbuster wiht Wii for the fall/holiday again, we can't be sure that they can't manage that. I am SHOCKED at how much DS is selling, I may be shocked again. Their holiday line up for Wii is pretty strong for the demographic that contributes the most to november/december sales as well.
pessimist you are for sure!
who isn't really? they have 4000 employees, they can't even manage their current consoles, both needing much less resources to develop games for compared to Wii U or 3DS.
They really need to either expand RAPIDLY, or lure 3rd parties. If I were them, I'd go for the former option, I don't know why they haven't yet.
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