Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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nice!.DaSorcerer7 said:
don't forget AA though!!!!!!!!
I own /owned an Atari 2600, NES, Genesis, Saturn, N64, Gamecube, Ps2, Wii, 360, and Ps3, but the only ones that broke are the Atari (caught on fire), Ps2 (laser died), Wii (overheated GPU), Ps3 (overheating and freezing during cutscenes). I hope to god that the WiiU is more reliable.
specialguy
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From my research a picture of Wii U technically is beginning to emerge...
-It has (G?)DDR3 as the main pool of RAM. More than 512 MB. (my guess is 768 or 1GB)
-It has 3 CPU cores
-Those cores are likely descended from the Wii CPU cores
-It has EDRAM for rendering, likely 4 or 5 MB.
The main ram being DDR3 is going to be pretty slow, so the EDRAM will help out. But transparencies and other alpha effects cause the system problems as noted in Wii U software that was playable at E3, where those effects would cause frame dips.
The GPU is less clear, but it's a certainty imo it's either a RV730 (320 SP's) or RV740 (640 SP's). My own belief is a RV730. But I have heard it is a 500 mhz RV740 as well.
-It has (G?)DDR3 as the main pool of RAM. More than 512 MB. (my guess is 768 or 1GB)
-It has 3 CPU cores
-Those cores are likely descended from the Wii CPU cores
-It has EDRAM for rendering, likely 4 or 5 MB.
The main ram being DDR3 is going to be pretty slow, so the EDRAM will help out. But transparencies and other alpha effects cause the system problems as noted in Wii U software that was playable at E3, where those effects would cause frame dips.
The GPU is less clear, but it's a certainty imo it's either a RV730 (320 SP's) or RV740 (640 SP's). My own belief is a RV730. But I have heard it is a 500 mhz RV740 as well.
specialguy said:
IBMs press release for the Wii U has already stated its going to have a ton of built in EDRAM. Its using what was until recently a restricted memory IBM was hoarding for itself. Each chip can hold triple the normal amount of EDRAM in the same amount of space as prior tech.
phosphor112
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Thunder Monkey said:
It's funny because it's true.
When my friends PS3/360 breaks, my "Nintendo" friends rant on about how they should get their money back for such a shoddy piece of hardware, but when their DS or Wii or something screws up, it's 100% ok and they'll just buy a newer version because it's better.
smh.
lherre said:It's fun to see all the speculative work here
TheExplodingHead
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Forsaken82 said:
You misunderstood, I don't think that's a bad thing at all. As far as the Samaritan, it's possible the next Xbox or PS4 could run games that look close to that, we don't know where the tech hardware and costs will be in 2013-2014.
fly high ~ayunite~
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phosphor112 said:It's funny because it's true.
When my friends PS3/360 breaks, my "Nintendo" friends rant on about how they should get their money back for such a shoddy piece of hardware, but when their DS or Wii or something screws up, it's 100% ok and they'll just buy a newer version because it's better.
smh.
They know 8 times of 10 Nintendo will repair it free, right?
lherre said:It's fun to see all the speculative work here
Yeah, but it's also boring. I mean, imagine if we were in the 80's or the early 90's, our imagination would have run so wilder:
Will it work with a tape ?
I heard it will have a gun bundled! I know, right? Dope!
Wow...is it a modem or what?
Boy, this is so the future. '96 cannot come soon enough!
Thunder Monkey
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I don't know if you know about shame in Japanese culture, but I'm an expert...fly high ~ayunite~ said:
herzogzwei1989
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File this under the WTF category
http://www.conceivablytech.com/8684/business/is-nintendo-reconsidering-the-wii-u
http://www.conceivablytech.com/8684/business/is-nintendo-reconsidering-the-wii-u
DaSorcerer7
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herzogzwei1989 said:
Yeah, saw that, was there ever a doubt that nintendo would not be showing the Wii U at gamescom?
Well after E3 they went ahead and showed the 3DS to the European press too. In any case it's not unthinkable that Nintendo will come up with a new name and some cosmetic changes but they won't overhaul the entire system like this guy suggests. There's simply no time if they want to make a fall 2012 launch. But yeah security concerns is the most weak ass excuse ever.DaSorcerer7 said:
TheExplodingHead
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herzogzwei1989 said:
Very interesting article. I think at this point it's impossible to know/speculate on where the Wii U can/will change. But it's not out of the question for Nintendo to release a more powerful console, with a traditional gamepad, and a upgraded Wii remote, and make the Wii U tablet a optional peripheral that's supported for lots of games. E3 2012 will be very interesting for the Nintendo conference.
Some people thought that Nintendo would show more WiiU stuff at GamesCon, 'cause GamesCon is like European E3.
Nintendo must go all out with 3DS this autumn and winter in Europe, due to PS Vita delay. So they will focus on 3DS and we will have to wait some more time for new WiiU infos.
Nintendo must go all out with 3DS this autumn and winter in Europe, due to PS Vita delay. So they will focus on 3DS and we will have to wait some more time for new WiiU infos.
Lord Ghirahim
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I can think of one.
bgassassin
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^ I don't know about those other changes, but everything we've heard always indicated they are still making changes to the hardware. Now if that ended up affecting the final size of the console, I could see that subsequently happening.
With all the earlier talk about consoles I never had one die on me until I got my original NES back (my mother had a bad habit of giving my stuff away to my cousins). Once I got it back, it was murdered a few weeks later by a power surge. ;_;
It lived for about 17 years and still died too soon.
To add to this from what I found it seems the process allows up to 125MB of eDRAM to be added.
LOL. Well considering everything we keep hearing from other devs I would assume what you know is more tangible than what we know, yet not a complete picture either.
I doubt that had anything to do with it. I don't see a leak making them go, "Oh crap! We need to show this thing ASAP!" The process is too similar with the first Wii for me to believe that. Nintendo just screwed up the delivery at E3 this time.
With all the earlier talk about consoles I never had one die on me until I got my original NES back (my mother had a bad habit of giving my stuff away to my cousins). Once I got it back, it was murdered a few weeks later by a power surge. ;_;
It lived for about 17 years and still died too soon.
antonz said:
To add to this from what I found it seems the process allows up to 125MB of eDRAM to be added.
lherre said:It's fun to see all the speculative work here
LOL. Well considering everything we keep hearing from other devs I would assume what you know is more tangible than what we know, yet not a complete picture either.
BurntPork said:
I doubt that had anything to do with it. I don't see a leak making them go, "Oh crap! We need to show this thing ASAP!" The process is too similar with the first Wii for me to believe that. Nintendo just screwed up the delivery at E3 this time.
Even so, waiting a whole 12 months for info is ridiculous! They need to throw us bone this year, even if it's only a small one, especially since practically nothing is in the way for Wii. I've already seen quite a few Wii owners say that they're not interested in Wii U due to Nintendo's poor handling of Wii this year. I think it's foolish for anyone to assume that 3DS is the only Nintendo platform facing issues.bgassassin said:
Thunder Monkey
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It's kind of funny honestly.lherre said:
I stayed away from the PS3 because of it's high price and my negative history with Sony consoles. (My PS2 died about a month or so before Silent Hill 3 came out. Still sore about that) And it seems overall Sony has a better track record this generation.
My Wii has been messed up badly once, and two 360's have kicked it.
bgassassin
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BurntPork said:
I agree that a wait that long would be rough, but I wouldn't be shocked by it. I said a little while back I believe to another poster that if they don't say anything about the console at their conference that we more than likely wouldn't hear anything till next year. Now we already have confirmation that we won't know price and release date till then, but I always felt that would be mentioned at the next E3 anyway.
I don't think there is anything available to say Wii U is facing problems like the 3DS. Nintendo's presentation at E3 was the only problem and that to me does not directly reflect any issues with Wii U.
I prefer to look at the positives with Wii U after what Nintendo has gone through with the 3DS. It will be priced reasonably right from the start to avoid having people think there will be an immediate price drop (some will still believe it will though). And I expect it to be powerful enough to give us eye candy with the 1st party titles, yet be capable to handle 3rd party down ports from the other consoles once they mature. I feel that those are solid, reasonable expectations to have and something I wouldn't be disappointed with.
I got this feeling that soon we'll know more about the next Xbox than we do about the Wii U. Microsoft is known to take advantage of situations like these and the 'next-gen' TimeSplitters 4 rumors are already adding more fuel to the fire. There also aren't many third party games announced for 2012.
I could see MS take Halo 4 put it on the next Xbox along with Forza Worlds(open world Forza in development in the UK directed by ex-codemasters people) and hit that next-gen switch.
I could see MS take Halo 4 put it on the next Xbox along with Forza Worlds(open world Forza in development in the UK directed by ex-codemasters people) and hit that next-gen switch.
I do wonder what they will do with the Wii U to keep it's price down. After what happen with the 3DS I dont' see how they can launch this system about $300. I know some were hoping that the screen on the controller would be changed to a capacitive from from a resistive but I don't see that happening now at all. That's just an added cost. It's not just what consumers will personally accept price wise but also what they can simply afford due to how the world economy is. That has to be taken into consideration. What people might have paid for at another time, several years ago, simply isn't the case now. I think that is what calculation Nintendo didn't make when it came to the 3DS when they looked back at the money they lost out on with the Wii and DS.
Different time and the prices have to reflect that. They need to come out of the gate running though with a first party game that will appeal to the masses and the hardcore. Something that is easy to get into but hard to master and is rewarding when done so. Pikmin I think will be the IP they decided to use but can it do the job? Having never played one before I don't really know. Anyone who has played it care to share thoughts on it?
Strange as it sounds I feel better about the Wii U after the 3DS price drop and the Ambassador program announcement. Nintendo on the defensive I feel is a good thing. It shows and means to me that they are taking thing seriously. That their problems are known to them and simply are addressing them (compared to just talking about them and not showing any action).
Different time and the prices have to reflect that. They need to come out of the gate running though with a first party game that will appeal to the masses and the hardcore. Something that is easy to get into but hard to master and is rewarding when done so. Pikmin I think will be the IP they decided to use but can it do the job? Having never played one before I don't really know. Anyone who has played it care to share thoughts on it?
Strange as it sounds I feel better about the Wii U after the 3DS price drop and the Ambassador program announcement. Nintendo on the defensive I feel is a good thing. It shows and means to me that they are taking thing seriously. That their problems are known to them and simply are addressing them (compared to just talking about them and not showing any action).
AdventureRacing
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If nintendo can get the wii U working with 4 screen controllers it will be one of my most anticipated consoles ever. If it sticks with just the one screen then, well that kinda deflates the whole thing.
bgassassin said:
Yes, i have official info about it but nintendo has given a base picture of the system, no clock speeds or specific models (only codenames). This is why is funny to read this thread. But they said you have a cpu or gpu with this features (amount of cores, cache size, type, edram, resolutions supported, etc). With this you can at least have a general idea of the things you can do or not.
That's the other thing I'm worried about. Nintendo NEEDS to give some type of info before GDC next year, or else they'll be completely overshadowed. Nintendo needs to learn to spread out giving info. This year and early next year, we should be getting details about power, online, features, and a few games. Then, at E3, we should get the launch line-up, date, and price. Now, it's looking like we won't get any more info until after the new XBox or PlayStation get huge blow-outs. if this launches in November and the next XBox launches at the same time or, worse, sooner, Nintendo can't even remotely hope for this thing to get off its feet. I really hope that the situation with 3DS isn't sending them into panic mode with Wii U and doesn't cause them to get over-cautious.[Nintex] said:
*sigh* But it's looking that way. Perhaps this thread should be locked. A year of speculation is no fun.
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[Nintex] said:
Isn't it common place for specs for dev kits to change before the launch of a new system?
They send a frame of the actual hardware, final developments kits are out not yet, I think the first party studios are working under the same circunstances, it's possible that Nintendo is considering PS4/720 in the equation now, so final specs are bond to change.[Nintex] said:
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TunaLover said:
They would do well to do so.
bgassassin
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[Nintex] said:
I can definitely see MS doing something like that, but are they in a position to attempt it is the question I have.
Effect said:
To me $299 will be the target price now that they've dropped the 3DS price. That has become an acceptable price point to the consumer. And I see them minimizing, if not eliminating the profit margin on the hardware to achieve that.
I agree about the better feeling for Wii U after what the 3DS unfortunately went through. I see them doing everything they can not to repeat that situation and should include stronger 1st party support out of the gate. That could make something like Pikmin 3 a launch title.
AdventureRacing said:
I'd be happy with two and then let EA demonstrate that at the next E3 with Madden to drive the point home. But we have confirmation that four can work, but that it's a cost concern to them to sell the controller separately. For a situation like this I say let the consumer determine that the cost is inappropriate.
lherre said:
Figured as much. I hope you can answer this since I'm looking for your opinion instead of concrete fact, but did what they give you give enough information for some devs to conclude that the final design is comparable to an RV770 GPU or is that a guesstimate based on early dev kits? And what is the likelyhood to you of more revisions/improvements to the target specs considering the holes in the information you have now and other recent events?
DaSorcerer7 said:
What TunaLover said. Once we got wind of how certain people at Nintendo weren't even familiar with the situation, it's not surprising to see the same for 3rd parties.
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Thunder Monkey said:
They did have the YLOD issue (solder points melting, which you could fix by reheating and fixing the points), and my blu-ray laser died in my 40GB phat model as well. I think they've probably avoided mass problems simply by virtue of changing up the hardware and components so often... some systems have different drives and cooling, the slim systems are obviously set out very differently etc.
I fried my launch Wii GPU on a 14 hour marathon of Resident Evil 4 too, got the green specs. Other than that its been good to me though. The 360 in our house is still trucking - thats a launch model. Its noisy, but apart from that, its a-ok.
Smiles and Cries
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unless we are getting this thing May 2012, I don't really want to see anything from it until late December, January blah gamecom
Nintendo need to focus on the 3DS resurrection
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Nintendo need to focus on the 3DS resurrection
TunaLover said:
fixed
?bgassassin said:
Difficult to say now to be honest because until they don't fix the problems-bugs, no one can measure with accuracy the performance of the system (well you can, until it hangs). But I think the kits won't change too much internally between revisions (at least the components there). But is too soon to say one thing or another or to be sure about it.
So we will see in the next revisions if the info changes or not. Now is the same in all the devkits launched.
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