Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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Annoying Old Party Man said:
The idea of going home, jumping on the couch and just grabbing this Nintendo tablet device and playing with all the console's future without opening the TV sounds very exciting to me.
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I dont know how many times I had to shut off my console to give my GF a chance to watch some TV. I kept thinking, "if I only had a WiiU". Nintendo is solving a critical issue. A solution to keep everyone in the same room, entertained.
 
guek said:
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edit: now that I actually see the source though, I wonder if it's complete baloney...
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It is of course best to take with a grain of salty but even if Nintendo only manages to double this gens power I could easily see them still achieving 1080P and such on PS3/360 games if devs put the effort in.
 
MDX said:
I dont know how many times I had to shut off my console to give my GF a chance to watch some TV. I kept thinking, "if I only had a WiiU". Nintendo is solving a critical issue. A solution to keep everyone in the same room, entertained.
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I'm in the same boat. It's obviously less of a draw for people that live alone or don't have to worry about hogging the TV for whatever reason, but as someone with roommates the Wii U will be perfect. My girlfriend is a TV junkie and it's turned me into a handheld gamer. To be able to play console games on the Wii U while watching Netflix on the PS3 is going to be too good.
 
guek said:
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edit: now that I actually see the source though, I wonder if it's complete bologna...
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He said "framrates", probably a 12 years old making shit up
 
MDX said:
I dont know how many times I had to shut off my console to give my GF a chance to watch some TV. I kept thinking, "if I only had a WiiU". Nintendo is solving a critical issue. A solution to keep everyone in the same room, entertained.
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This is Nintendo's business philosophy and essentially what drives every single decision they make. Nintendo sees video games as a completely separate entertainment medium worthy of a dedicated focus. Their interest isn't in taking the smart phone or multimedia entertainment console rout, where 'playing video games' is one part of a Jack Of All Trades package, but instead creating devices that are exclusively built for playing games, and having these devices penetrate homes.

The Wii (and to a certain extent the DS) built on this philosophy with the blue ocean strategy. The idea was to get more people gaming, and so they did, with a dedicated gaming system. The Wii U's philosophy is to break down the barriers that stand in the way of home console gaming, notably wrestling over screen time and, potentially, having to gaming exclusively on the TV in the first place. They want gaming to be a part of your life, and a part of your household. Something accessible by anyone and everyone regardless of who is using the TV or where you are (to a limit).

I can see exactly what their train of thinking is, and in theory it is a great idea. But, like most everything Nintendo does, it's a very Japanese idea, and will be far more applicable and relevant to the Japanese market and culture than it will to the Western world.

I'm talking specifically about playing games on the controller screen while the TV is in use, mind you, and not the touch pad as a controller interface.

Daschysta said:
Or a typo?
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He also discussed their "PC framerate", which any PR person with a lick of sense wouldn't bother doing, as it is a meaningless statement.
 
As more devs have more recent dev kits rumours should start coming in. Alot of what mr. thq said corroborates what has been hinted by developers such as gearbox, stating wii-u is capable of higher resolutions, and greater texture detail among other things.
 
On a completely random note, one of the things I'm excited about in regards to the Wii U controller is how quickly homebrewers tinker with it on PC, and the crazy shit they'll whip up. If they can get the video feed working they could theoretical emulate anything being streamed to the controller, which would be bitchin'.
 
EatChildren said:
I can see exactly what their train of thinking is, and in theory it is a great idea. But, like most everything Nintendo does, it's a very Japanese idea, and will be far more applicable and relevant to the Japanese market and culture than it will to the Western world.

I'm talking specifically about playing games on the controller screen while the TV is in use, mind you, and not the touch pad as a controller interface.
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I'm not sure about that. I mean, sure, western families share more than one TV at each home, but still, I think too many gamers have to wrestle for some exclusive TV time. Plus, I think Nintendo is also fighting with the "tablet movement", where people will go home after work and pick up their tablet and do some light browsing/play with some cheap apps instead of picking up a game controller.
 
Annoying Old Party Man said:
I'm not sure about that. I mean, sure, western families share more than one TV at each home, but still, I think too many gamers have to wrestle for some exclusive TV time. Plus, I think Nintendo is also fighting with the "tablet movement", where people will go home after work and pick up their tablet and do some light browsing/play with some cheap apps instead of picking up a game controller.
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They are, but it's still more relevant to the Japanese market, where homes have fewer TVs and less space in general, than the West where TVs are more common and homes are larger. It will still be useful and, hopefully, appreciated in the West, but there's no doubt in my mind that the Wii U was mostly a product of Japanese thinking.

Which isn't surprising, as most hardware/software developers are influenced on a cultural level.
 
It all depends on how nintendo markets this thing. If they have wii sports-esque killer app and they market it correctly, they could ride on all the present hype around tablets. Tablets are "in" at the moment. If they present something new and exciting and fun to the expanded market and emphasize the tablet, they could really be on to something.

Of course some people will buy the thing thinking it's actually something like a ipad, but that misconception might help nintendo a lot.
 
If the wii-u takes off in japan it should eat a good deal of the japanese exclusives, especially if they are as willing to money hat as they seem to be lately. Japan desperately needs at least one healthy console that can sell both software and hardware domestically. I want to see beautiful japanese console software!, but at the rate its going most of the east will focus handheld, hopefully this is the compromise that saves console gaming over there.
 
Excuse my ignorance but if offscree playing is so important to some, why not get a PSVita. Totally portable, better screen... Except the Nintendo exclusives.
 
Des0lar said:
Excuse my ignorance but if offscree playing is so important to some, why not get a PSVita. Totally portable, better screen... Except the Nintendo exclusives.
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Because the Vita isn't guaranteed or necessarily likely to get the same home console games as the Wii U. Vita is a portable system, while the Wii U is aiming to be a home console with quasi-portable options. Plus, the Nintendo exclusives.
 
Des0lar said:
Excuse my ignorance but if offscree playing is so important to some, why not get a PSVita. Totally portable, better screen... Except the Nintendo exclusives.
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Meh. Not exactly, this thing is huge. That's one of the two only things that bother me with Vita. The other being that the WiiU controller will be playing games in 2018 as well. Vita should also be compatible with PS4 to ensure such a long lifespan.
 
Des0lar said:
Excuse my ignorance but if offscree playing is so important to some, why not get a PSVita. Totally portable, better screen... Except the Nintendo exclusives.
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Far Better visuals, nintendo games, option to play in glorious bigscreen in addition to on the tablet, dual screen gaming, Motion control and pointer support, actual console games instead console imitators made by secondary teams, Dragon Quest, precedent set by the psp lacking software in the long run, battery life concerns...
 
Des0lar said:
Excuse my ignorance but if offscree playing is so important to some, why not get a PSVita. Totally portable, better screen... Except the Nintendo exclusives.
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yeah, not the same thing.

plus, wouldn't you have to buy games twice if you wanted to play all the ps3/vita ports?
 
Des0lar said:
Excuse my ignorance but if offscree playing is so important to some, why not get a PSVita. Totally portable, better screen... Except the Nintendo exclusives.
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It's not the same thing at all. Well, both are portable, but...one is a part of a home system, the other is not. It's like you are asking why one would buy a GC pad over a GBA. Yes, I'm exaggerating. Sue me.
 
Des0lar said:
Excuse my ignorance but if offscree playing is so important to some, why not get a PSVita. Totally portable, better screen... Except the Nintendo exclusives.
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What differentiates this controller from Vita is it will offer games built around it: Wii U games will all be designed around 2 screens, not one. This is the game changer.

Offscreen playing is a nice thing to have, but you are missing the more important Wii U feature.
 
Sorry for my last post.

I was playing some Wind Waker earlier, and then started playing SMB3, and then switched to Metroid Prime.

God I'm addicted to this company like some really powerful drug.
 
guek said:
It all depends on how nintendo markets this thing. If they have wii sports-esque killer app and they market it correctly, they could ride on all the present hype around tablets. Tablets are "in" at the moment. If they present something new and exciting and fun to the expanded market and emphasize the tablet, they could really be on to something.
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it's definitely possible. udraw was extremely successful for what it was.
 
StevieP said:
If Sony was "PS3" Sony still, they would be bringing the 2011 version of the PowerVR GPU (Series 6/Rogue) instead of the 2009 version (Series 5/543). They would also be bringing the latest 2011 version of the ARM Cortex CPU (A15) instead of the 2008 model (A9).

Instead, they're leveraging products that have been heavily invested into and already "ready for market" thanks to the massive upward swing in smartphone/tablet tech advancement.

This is similar to the constant rumours and near-confirmation on GAF (BBoyDubC) and HardOCP that Microsoft (and even Sony) are looking at Bulldozer-based APUs or similar for their next consoles. There have been a lot of advancements in APUs and integrated graphics chips in the past couple years, mostly thanks to AMD, because of the need for better netbooks/laptop graphics chips. These bulldozer-based rumours would not be a "powerhouse" like a 6970-based GPU would - not even close. You can have a look at current AMD Fusion benchmarks for an idea of the kind of performance they offer. But they would be "sufficient" in providing a decent experience at the resolutions being displayed on our TVs, and they could be customized to allow for more than their current 4-500SPUs as well I'd assume.

How would it compare to the rumours about the WiiU? Nobody knows at this point. But it certainly wouldn't be a massive generational leap.

I would contend that with all the speculation about Windows 8 being out in mid-2012, the shared libraries/OS/UI between the "nextbox" and Windows 8, Xbox Live being integrated into Windows 8 itself, and all of the rumours pointing to an E3'12 reveal and fall launch of the nextbox... and even user BBoyDubC stating (originally in a Microsoft thread) that the company that he's an engineer in (AMD) is in overdrive to finish the chip for 2012... it's a very believable rumour. A bulldozer-based APU-style x86 nextbox. The WiiU wouldn't be in a bad position if this ends up being the case.
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The PS3 wasn't built with the most powerful tech available either. RSX falls in line nicely with the point he was making. It wasn't new and was already weaker than the one in the year old competitors hardware. Vita is high-end Sony hardware that isn't trying to win a format war. Anything more powerful would have destroyed battery life and lead to major losses with no hope of dropping the price. They simply don't have anywhere near as much wiggle room on portables. Make it too big and it suffers-make it too power hungry and it suffers.
 
Sardello said:
Given the fact that this piece of rumor could be have been written by my 12 years old sister, the true question is... for how long could the Wii U garuantee the "best version" of multiplatform games?

5 month? 1 year? 1 year and half?
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better question is, how long until it becomes apparent wii u games can't run the majority of mutliplatform titles?

2 years at minimum, says I
 
guek said:
better question is, how long until it becomes apparent wii u games can't run the majority of mutliplatform titles?

2 years at minimum, says I
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There is no way the Wii U ever gets left in the dust like the Wii. Tech just hasn't progressed to make that possible.
 
antonz said:
There is no way the Wii U ever gets left in the dust like the Wii. Tech just hasn't progressed to make that possible.
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eh, we'll see. At worst, I think we might see games that don't run well on wii U. I don't think it'll ever happen for the ovewhelming majority of games though.
 
guek said:
better question is, how long until it becomes apparent wii u games can't run the majority of mutliplatform titles?

2 years at minimum, says I
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Nah.

Unless Sony and MS go for a paradigm shifting hardware design... I can't see how the engines won't scale. I could only see a severe issue if they go with really advanced tessellation capable hardware. Even then OpenGL(CL?) has an extension for that. Badly optimized by comparison yes.

I mean devs could very well not even try.

They do have a good history of that.
 
Sardello said:
Given the fact that this piece of rumor could be have been written by my 12 years old sister, the true question is... for how long could the Wii U garuantee the "best version" of multiplatform games?

5 month? 1 year? 1 year and half?
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Don't know, but then how long will other consoles regain the power crown: 2, 3 years? Nintendo will likely release a more powerful console after Wii U, probably earlier than Sony and Microsoft again.
 
antonz said:
There is no way the Wii U ever gets left in the dust like the Wii. Tech just hasn't progressed to make that possible.
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I wish this was in the thread title, because its needed to be said so many times.

Also, even if there is some amazing technological showpiece multiplatform game, if the Wii U install base is big enough, a publisher will ask for a Wii U version. They will make it work. Engines this gen are scalable. Wii versions of games where basically whole new games, usually developed by a different company if there even was a release across all 3 platforms. This situation will be different. Getting out first and being in the same tech ball park is going to be big deal for multiplat games.
 
Nintendo will never be in a position where its hardware is the best for multiplatform games

You buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo games or be disappointed waiting for 3rd Parties

I don't even see the WiiU having a window of 6 month advantage here due to the fact most 3rd Parties will do straight 360/PS3 ---> to WiiU ports with very little extra shine added.

Get in it for the first party games or forget it (Unless you are a crazy Dragon Quest fan)
 
defferoo said:
The Vita next to the PSP begs to differ. It shows that Sony still pushes the envelope in terms of horsepower
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I have a feeling that the Vita's been specifically designed to be receptive to cross-platform development between it and consoles; taking a hit on the hardware in order to make software development for it cheaper and easier. That's a factor that wouldn't necessarily apply to the PS4/720.
 
IceDoesntHelp said:
ONM asked if any thought had been put into creating a Star Fox game for Wii U, the man in charge of bringing Star Fox 64 to 3DS said:

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And now I've got a game I want in my head. Space combat on the screen, fleet deployment strategy on the pad. Not *necessarily* a Star Fox (although it could be moulded into that universe), but still could be awesome.
 
Gamer @ Heart said:
What you just described is an irrational fanboy, not a regular fan.
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maybe in lesser degrees but all who like Nintendo still have to burn a little sometimes

"man, it sure would be nice to get a sweet screen for that controller... I guess I'll get that new WiiU+ Plus Plus Bundle with the OLED screen... and maybe that new 3DS with the 2 slider pads that I can use with the WiiU" /me in a year :|
 
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