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[ShockingAlberto]

As they do for ANY console released.

Except the 360.

 

[Kermit The Frog]

That is under the assumption Nintendo would remove tessellation capabilities from their rumored GPU, correct?

I think they will assuming they're using non 6900 series tesselation which are terrible and not really worth the transistor cost which would be better spent on more stream processors or something else which would increase performance. The tesselation unit in R700 isn't a lot better than the one in the 360 and that one is borderline useless and has only been used on a few titles very sparingly.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

EatChildren may have a face only a mother could love, but he wouldn't shit on Nintendo just to be a dick. He'd shit on Nintendo because they have a habit of making decisions that... make no damn sense.

I can see where he's coming from, I just don't see it as being likely.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

That is not my stance nor intention and I'd appreciate it if you didn't pigeon hole me, thanks.

If that's not your stance or intentions then I apologize. I was just going by how these read.

Tessellation will be a deal breaker, I think. I expect the PS4/Xbox3 GPUs to be fully equipped for heavy tessellation, whereas I'm not so sure about the Wii U. Tessellation can be hit and miss when half arsed, but when done right it adds a tremendous amount of detail a scene. It would be a fairly affordable addition to a next generation console GPUs with significant graphical advantages.

I agree with this, but I do think early on tessellation will be one of the graphical show pieces for next generation consoles. It will be a great way to make your game's geometry look a hundred fold more detailed at a minimal cost, which will really stand out against Wii U releases (assuming they're lacking tessellation).

It comes off as some one whose next post is going to be why bother porting these games if you don't have a tessellater included. So again I apologize if that isn't where you were going with it.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Honestly, I'm just happy that you guys think my talk of tessellation is pertinent to next gen.

*feels the warm fuzzies*

 

[phosphor112]

Except the 360.

Shots fired. :lol

 

[Daschysta]

Oh yeah, definitely. In this day, there is no reason NOT to have a GPU with Tessellation. Not to mention that would allow some complex cloth physics as well. It's not just that though, Sony and MS will show off their power in new ways. Not just graphics, but engines that do things we haven't seen before on consoles, and maybe even PC's. That's the great thing about consoles. Heavy optimization allows you to take complete advantage of the hw, and I think they will brag as much as they can about it.

And like I said.. connectivity. I think PS4 will also support Vita remote play for all PS3 games, Maybe even PS4. MS will up the stakes with XBL, and Sony will push new PSN features that Nintendo can't touch. As I said before, even with EA helping them, the infrastructure is new for them and they have A LOT to catch up with. Hell, they can't even do a basic game online.

Vita isn't capable of playing all ps3 games via remote paly (the ones that push ps3 hardware) It won't be capable of playing ps4 games.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Why would anyone expect tessellation from WiiU when Nintendo is who we are talking about here?

I'll be glad to have it but expect it? no

 

[Daschysta]

Because nintendo isn't retarded and there is no reason to remove it, almost any graphics card they could possibly use would support it, and devs seem to be happy with the specs. It's far, far more likely that they support tesselation than the other way around. It's not like the wii, where they made a concious decision to not go HD, the wii-u uses modern hardware, and to remove the tessellation would be neither cost saving, nor beneficial.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Because nintendo isn't retarded and there is no reason to remove it, almost any graphics card they could possibly use would support it, and devs seem to be happy with the specs. It's far, far more likely that they support tesselation than the other way around. It's not like the wii, where they made a concious decision to not go HD, the wii-u uses modern hardware, and to remove the tessellation would be neither cost saving, nor beneficial.

are we talking about a PC or WiiU here?
We have rumors that devs are happy but just months before we had rumors that the WiiU devkits are a mess. We can hope for the best but to expect such a thing without a word of it is setting yourself up for a meltdown

Nintendo isn't retarded is a hard thing to prove -_-

where is my Xenoblade NOA?

 

[EloquentM]

are we talking about a PC or WiiU here?
We have rumors that devs are happy but just months before we had rumors that the WiiU devkits are a mess. We can hope for the best but to expect such a thing without a word of it is setting yourself up for a meltdown

Nintendo isn't retarded is a hard thing to prove -_-

where is my Xenoblade NOA?

most initial devkits are a mess...sometimes final devkits are a mess as well (360 lol).

 

[Shin Johnpv]

We have rumors that devs are happy but just months before we had rumors that the WiiU devkits are a mess.

Every first gen devkit is a mess. This isn't anything new or different.

 

[StevieP]

GT5 and any other racing sim. Not only do the physics calculations take a crap ton of processing. iRacing lets you turn down the graphics to look like poop just to make sure you can run their physics engine. This is a sim that has NO AI and still needs a lot of power.

I specified that AI was based more on coding than physics was in my original post. Regardless, most modern GPU hardware can offload a lot of the physics processing to their cores.

You seem so sure about this...

That's because I am. You cannot replicate many of the things the UPad does via wifi. Lag-free streaming being the biggest one.

I've always had lag issues. Though Ad-hoc mode for Mario Kart DS runs perfectly, even on game share.

I have my Wii on wifi and lag issues are not extremely prevailent on MK Wii for me, so... I dunno? Regardless, feature-wise Nintendo sucks donkey nuts at online. Netcode wise? Aside from the glaring example of Smash Bros (to be fair, it's a twitch fighter) I've never had major issues.

The cell blade =/= CBE for PS3. Not to mention pretty much all CPU manufacturers are looking into symmetrical processing.

We're not talking about symmetrical processing here, just the Cell in itself (i.e. Power-lite + SPEs). IBM's pretty much done with that.

As they do for ANY console released. It's not like costs will be much higher to look at something newer.

Something new*er*, no. Something new*est* absolutely it would. Due to the constant delays, the odds of a brand new 28nm AMD GPU in any of these consoles is low.

 

[snesfreak]

Every first gen devkit is a mess. This isn't anything new or different.

But because it's Nintendo we're talking about it's "OMG FUCKING NINTENDO'S FUCKING UP!"

 

[Übermatik]

http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/30781/skyrim-studio-wii-u-is-a-possibility/

Skyrim studio: Wii U is 'a possibility'

"It's definitely a possibility for the future. We'll look at any platform that will support that games we're trying to make, but that's the key thing - the console has to support the game as it is designed.

"The more changes we have to make to a game the less and less palatable it becomes because making a game is an enormous process. Just doing 360, PS3 and PC - I don't think people understand the amount of work that goes into that. All of the localisation you have to do... all of the testing you have to do... on every platform in every language... It's a pretty huge undertaking.

So you aren't just supporting the Wii U; You're supporting it in English, French, Italian, German and Spanish.

"We'll see. It's definitely a possibility."

I think the thing to note here is actually the lack of interest - they mark no particular interest in the machine, it's capabilities or it's controller, and all their only comment is that it's a "possibility"... everything's a possibility, right?
It basically seems to me like they have no plans.

My point here is that hopefully E3 will change all this - games showing the potential of the controller/system power will hopefully get other major devs involved and interested, though albeit a bit late.

 

[Daschysta]

are we talking about a PC or WiiU here?
We have rumors that devs are happy but just months before we had rumors that the WiiU devkits are a mess. We can hope for the best but to expect such a thing without a word of it is setting yourself up for a meltdown

Nintendo isn't retarded is a hard thing to prove -_-

where is my Xenoblade NOA?

Not remotely the same thing, and has nothing to do with hardware, furthermore NOA has nothing to do with decisions regarding hardware, their incompetence is irrelevant. Why would there have to be a word of it? Rumoured GPU uses it, which may actually be more powerful than we initially thought, even 360 supports very basic tessellation. Nintendo would have to conciously remove it, which would not save any costs, and do nothing but irritate 3rd parties, who they are by all accounts listening to during design decisions more than ever.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I'm excited but I don't want to dream people

I wanted a few things.
I want an exclusive racing series on WiiU that is not F-Zero or Mario Kart /this is not a dream

expecting heavy tessellation on WiiU /this is a dream

ps... someone needs to leak impressions of newer devkits asap

 

[manueldelalas]

What is the technology of the Wii U streaming?

 

[donny2112]

Nintendo isn't retarded is a hard thing to prove -_-

where is my Xenoblade NOA?

In Japan with the same Nintendo that commissioned its creation.

Also, N64, GameCube. Nintendo will make large decisions that could cut themselves off at the knees (carts, 1.5GB discs; both for loading times/control of releases), but expecting them to make stupid decisions for no reason is just paranoia/FUD.

 

[Lonely1]

Crystal Chronicles 2 (on Wii U, with multiple tablet controllers) will be infinitely better than 13-5 or whatever the main series is crapping out nowadays. Mark my words.

If by CC2 you mean CC1 with online MP and new dungeons.

 

[Gravijah]

excite

I want an exclusive racing series on WiiU that is not F-Zero or Mario Kart /this is not a dream

huh.

 

[Azure J]

If by CC2 you mean CC1 with online MP and new dugeons.

And art by Yoshida.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

If by CC2 you mean CC1 with online MP and new dugeons.

And completely redone HD graphics, yes. Edit- Also what Jer said.

Yes, yes I do.

Damn it, now reality is cold and bleak. Happy thoughts... it could happen... one day...

 

[StevieP]

What is the technology of the Wii U streaming?

We don't know, but it's certainly not Wifi. It probably shares more similarities to WiDi than it does Wifi.

 

[phosphor112]

Vita isn't capable of playing all ps3 games via remote paly (the ones that push ps3 hardware) It won't be capable of playing ps4 games.

...do you even know how Remote play works? Sony can easily enforce a mandatory memory/proc allocation for the PSV remote play on all games. Obviously you can't play all PS3 games remote play on Vita, but if KZ3 can do it, I'm sure most other games can do it as well, it's just a matter of people going back to optimize the software.

Hell, the PSP can run GTA4 (though with lag) just by clicking a checkbox.

 

[manueldelalas]

We don't know, but it's certainly not Wifi. It probably shares more similarities to WiDi than it does Wifi.

Is something known about this technology?

I'm interested in knowing the distance the controller needs to be from the console, if the console can be in another room, that sort of stuff...

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Nintendo Defense Force is deep in here, making me sound like Drinky Crow vs Ninthings

dammit forgot about the excite series... no do not want that one.

I want something to go against Forza and GT - don't make me settle for 3rd party Dirt game or EA racing

oh no Crusin' series keep it dead

 

[Übermatik]

Nintendo Defense Force is deep in here, making me sound like Drinky Crow vs Ninthings

dammit forgot about the excite series... no do not want that one.

I want something to go against Forza and GT - don't make me settle for 3rd party Dirt game or EA racing

oh no Crusin' series keep it dead

Yeah man, I hear you. We need WiiU exclusives - GOOD Wii U exclusives. A solid FPS/Racing/Adventure title is what the system needs.

*EDIT*

Didn't realise you meant Nintendo - you kerazy. I'm talking about a 3rd party exclusive.

 

[Daschysta]

...do you even know how Remote play works? Sony can easily enforce a mandatory memory/proc allocation for the PSV remote play on all games. Obviously you can't play all PS3 games remote play on Vita, but if KZ3 can do it, I'm sure most other games can do it as well, it's just a matter of people going back to optimize the software.

Hell, the PSP can run GTA4 (though with lag) just by clicking a checkbox.

I never said it wasn't capable of play "most" ps3 games, but if all games aren't optimized to work it isn't a viable competitor to the wii-u tablet in it's own space, ps4 games wouldn't run properly, if its incredibly laggy and unoptimized then its a moot point.

 

[BurntPork]

Correct.

Forgive me, but when it comes to video games I live in a bleak, cynical world of bitterness . Especially when it comes to console hardware, and especially when it comes to Nintendo. I don't like applying 'out of the box' hardware features to devkits. Things can change, people make decisions, sometimes right sometimes wrong. No matter how probable or what the devkit cards are based on, I wont be convinced (nor unconvinced, for that matter) that the Wii U has decent tessellation support until I hear it. Neutral I remain.

It will support tessellation. If you think Nintendo will be dumb enough to completely remove an essential feature, that is beyond cynical. There's not even a precedence for them doing such a thing. AFAIK, they didn't remove any features from the 3DS GPU, so why would they do so for Wii U? What would be the point? There's no logic behind that level of cynicism.

That said, the R700 tessellator sucks. Therefore, it would be reasonable to believe that Wii U would have poor tesselation capabilities. That said, Nintendo loves efficiency and might replace it with a more efficient tesselator.

 

[fabricated backlash]

Nintendo Defense Force is deep in here, making me sound like Drinky Crow vs Ninthings

dammit forgot about the excite series... no do not want that one.

I want something to go against Forza and GT - don't make me settle for 3rd party Dirt game or EA racing

oh no Crusin' series keep it dead

So you want Nintendo to stomp out a Racing Game out of thin air, to compete with the 4th and 5th iteration (probably 5th and 6th generation at that point) of two series that have put up to 3 generations of hardware and experience into their products, allready sitting on top of an immense investment and connections to manufacturers and IPs...

yeah, I guess it's more likely to hope for the Wii U having 2 Terbyte Ram and a 40 GHz CPU.

At this point, Nintendo is 10 to 15 years behind in this genre. The amount of money they would have to spend to even compete in this genre would probably bankrupt them.

 

[manueldelalas]

Nintendo Defense Force is deep in here, making me sound like Drinky Crow vs Ninthings

dammit forgot about the excite series... no do not want that one.

I want something to go against Forza and GT - don't make me settle for 3rd party Dirt game or EA racing

oh no Crusin' series keep it dead

Nintendo is not going to do that game, why? because they don't know how to make them, because even if their close third party developers know, those games are EXTREMELY expensive to make if they want to do something like Forza or GT, and it won't sell.

The most realistic racing game Nintendo game ever is, was and will be RR64.

You could as well wait for an Uncharted killer or a FF killer from Nintendo.

TLDR: not gonna happen.

 

[rpmurphy]

I forget what Sony showed for KZ3 Remote Play. Did they say you play online with it as well?

 

[shadyspace]

Nintendo said third parties'll be able to do 3D, right?

 

[Ushojax]

You could as well wait for an Uncharted killer or a FF killer from Nintendo.

That already happened. Xenoblade, baby.

 

[Gravijah]

Nintendo Defense Force is deep in here, making me sound like Drinky Crow vs Ninthings

dammit forgot about the excite series... no do not want that one.

I want something to go against Forza and GT - don't make me settle for 3rd party Dirt game or EA racing

oh no Crusin' series keep it dead

so you want nintendo... nintendo. to make a sim racer. a sim racer.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Yeah man, I hear you. We need WiiU exclusives - GOOD Wii U exclusives. A solid FPS/Racing/Adventure title is what the system needs.

I've got ideas, but no funding.

 

[manueldelalas]

That already happened. Xenoblade, baby.

Lol, playing it right now; but it isn't a FF killer, let me explain.

Although the game is better than any single FF game released, it CLEARLY doesn't have the production values of any FF since VII. I was speaking of production values... as in expensive to make.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

damn guys they have to start some where

MS had to start its racing somewhere.

The only reason Nintendo never made a serious racer is because you guys wont stop buying Mario Kart

cannot wait for Mario Kart 8! yay :|

so you want nintendo... nintendo. to make a sim racer. a sim racer.

I'm looking at what they are missing and I want them to expand to all genre for WiiU

Nintendo can create some really great gems so why not expand and try new ways of doing a racer

RAD RACER HD (wait that was Rare)

 

[Übermatik]

damn guys they have to start some where

MS had to start its racing somewhere.

The only reason Nintendo never made a serious racer is because you guys wont stop buying Mario Kart

cannot wait for Mario Kart 8! yay :|

I actually can't.

 

[manueldelalas]

damn guys they have to start some where

MS had to start its racing somewhere.

The only reason Nintendo never made a serious racer is because you guys wont stop buying Mario Kart

cannot wait for Mario Kart 8! yay :|

Was MK announced? EXCIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE!

 

[Gravijah]

it's not like the world is drowning in arcade racers these days, especially kart racers.

 

[lordfroakie]

damn guys they have to start some where

MS had to start its racing somewhere.

The only reason Nintendo never made a serious racer is because you guys wont stop buying Mario Kart

cannot wait for Mario Kart 8! yay :|

You have some serious issues...

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I actually can't.

day 1 for me too

 

[Daschysta]

damn guys they have to start some where

MS had to start its racing somewhere.

The only reason Nintendo never made a serious racer is because you guys wont stop buying Mario Kart

cannot wait for Mario Kart 8! yay :|

Yet you're completely amped for gran turismo 6.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Arcade Racers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sim Racers

FACT

 

[donny2112]

I actually can't.

Saw that Mario Kart 7 has a WuHu Island track, and since I've been running around the Island lately in Wii Fit Plus, that has me way stoked. Maybe Mario Kart 8 will include Wave Race type racing around the Island going out to the golf course and back.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Okay Arcade not Sims = Beetle Adventure Racing!

 

[StevieP]

Yeah man, I hear you. We need WiiU exclusives - GOOD Wii U exclusives. A solid FPS/Racing/Adventure title is what the system needs.

*EDIT*

Didn't realise you meant Nintendo - you kerazy. I'm talking about a 3rd party exclusive.

The third party exclusive is pretty much dead. Thank dev costs.

Lol, playing it right now; but it isn't a FF killer, let me explain.

Although the game is better than any single FF game released, it CLEARLY doesn't have the production values of any FF since VII. I was speaking of production values... as in expensive to make.

Xenoblade is more important where it matters: as a game. FF, for all its cut scenes, has been pretty shit in its latest couple games. It also has a metric shitton of content that would not be possible had it been an "HD" game.

Nintendo said third parties'll be able to do 3D, right?

Yes.

 

[Übermatik]

The third party exclusive is pretty much dead. Thank dev costs.
.

I'm confident that I can list quite a few console exclusives from the past 2 years. So many in fact, that I can't be bothered to list them unless you really want me to.