Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012

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AceBandage said:
Negative copies?
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Nintendo gives you $300 to take a console instead of you paying $300.

OrangeGrayBlue said:
I agree. For all the people saying that the amount of time and money willing to be spent adding detail will be more of a visual ceiling than how much detail the power of the systems actually allow, so few people seem to believe it.
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My current view is that with all the assumptions out there, PS4/Xbox3 are going to lose sells because of some of the expectations people have for them that have a strong possibly of not coming true at all (e.g. 8GB of memory).
 
Here's an anonymous THQ employee saying good thing about the Wii U. Who know about the validity of this article.

http://www.fedwars.net/wrestling_article.php?article_id=6

Question: In what ways would the Wii U version be superior over the 360/PS3 versions?

Anonymous THQ Employee: Well the Wii U is full of potential as far as specs go. I know that Metro: Last Light is running at a good 50-60 fps on the PC, so I'm not sure how the Wii U version will compare to that. But the Wii U version of games from ALL developers and publishers, have potential for much smoother framerates, improved textures, and additional bonus content that the 360/PS3 version's won't have. In a way, buying the Wii U version over the 360/PS3 versions, will be like buying the Blu-ray version of a movie instead of the standard dvd version. You get better visuals, and more additional content with the Wii U version of any game compared to the other console version. But this will only happen as long as a developer or publisher puts in the time and effort instead of doing a straight port.

Question: I noticed a lot of games for 360 and PS3 don't take advantage of TRUE 1080p. Could we see more games on Wii U taking advantage of true 1080p resolution?

Anonymous THQ Employee: The Wii U is much more powerful than the other HD consoles, so Wii U doesn't have a huge problem doing 1080p for the majority of its games. Will Darksiders 2 and Metro: Last Light be in 1080p on Wii U? I can't speak for the teams behind those games. I don't work on those specific teams so I can't say what they plan to do with the Wii U versions of their games as far as graphics or content go. I do know based on the specs I've seen, the console is more than capable of graphics that surpass current consoles. It's like I said before. Expect majority of third party Wii U games from most publishers to have true 1080p, additional content, and smoother framrates than what the PS3/360 versions offer. If you want the DEFINITIVE version of any game in your library, I would suggest either the PC version or the Wii U version...at least for now. This is not a knock agains the 360/PS3 versions of any games either. Fans of the 360 and PS3 are the majority of the gamers who games...period. So publishers have to give them the best product we can.
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Wii-U should launch at 249.99, that's a milkshake that will bring all the boys to the yard. I feel that it's necessary for Nintendo to do that because it is required to penetrate the market with such a force that momentum comes naturally out of the gate and increases the sales in an upward trajectory and affords me the opportunity to engage in the activity, and affords you all the opportunity to shove it up ya butt.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Wii-U should launch at 249.99, that's a milkshake that will bring all the boys to the yard. I feel that it's necessary for Nintendo to do that because it is required to penetrate the market with such a force that momentum comes naturally out of the gate and increases the sales in an upward trajectory and affords me the opportunity to engage in the activity, and affords you all the opportunity to shove it up ya butt.
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I doubt Nintendo would price it just $80 above the 3DS. I'm sure it'll be at least $269.99, with $299.99 being the most likely.
 
Presumably the 3DS taught them that they can't launch too high out of the gate.

But I get the feeling if Sony and Microsoft start making motions that they'll be pricing in the absurd range again ($350+), then Nintendo is going to feel unfortunately comfortable going higher.

Really it might be smart of them to fake Nintendo out like Sony did with the Vita.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Presumably the 3DS taught them that they can't launch too high out of the gate.

But I get the feeling if Sony and Microsoft start making motions that they'll be pricing in the absurd range again ($350+), then Nintendo is going to feel unfortunately comfortable going higher.

Really it might be smart of them to fake Nintendo out like Sony did with the Vita.
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Nintendo announced the 3DS price before the Vita was first shown...
 
BurntPork said:
Nintendo announced the 3DS price before the Vita was first shown...
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But they knew it was going to be a bleeding edge system, which is all Sony or Microsoft need to say. Nintendo assumed they wouldn't price it low enough to compete.
 
BurntPork said:
I doubt Nintendo would price it just $80 above the 3DS. I'm sure it'll be at least $269.99, with $299.99 being the most likely.
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If not higher. 350/400 isn't out of the question imo.

Heck the 360 is still 299 and PS3 249. Wii U will be packing much more cost than them if only for the tablet screen alone...

Just another reason this whole Wii U thing is a real headshaker for me. That controller alone will be a cost albatross forever.
 
I'm expecting $349 with something packed in based on iwata's comments on the price earlier. Still it wouldn't surprise me if it went lower(because of the 3DS launch) or higher(because the specs are better than expected).
 
ShockingAlberto said:
But they knew it was going to be a bleeding edge system, which is all Sony or Microsoft need to say. Nintendo assumed they wouldn't price it low enough to compete.
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Sony hardly said anything about a "PSP2" beforehand, so Nintendo wasn't faked out. They made an assumption. You're giving Sony more credit than they deserve.

That said, Nintendo knows that MS and Sony are very dependent on the console market and won't cross the $400 mark for the low-end SKU after the PS3 disaster, so even with a fake out Nintendo probably knows that exceeding $300 would be dangerous. (And if they actually go for $349 or higher, I HOPE it flops hard enough for Iwata to be shot out of a canon through the door. Nothing they would do would make it successful at that price.)
 
IceDoesntHelp said:
Just by looking at what Nintendo has priced their consoles at before, I'm gonna say 250/300. Though after the price of the 3DS anything can happen.
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I wouldn't use the 3DS as any kind of barometer.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Presumably the 3DS taught them that they can't launch too high out of the gate.

But I get the feeling if Sony and Microsoft start making motions that they'll be pricing in the absurd range again ($350+), then Nintendo is going to feel unfortunately comfortable going higher.

Really it might be smart of them to fake Nintendo out like Sony did with the Vita.
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You know what's sad about these arbitrary price points and targets? You could take a small sampling of the ridiculous DLC people buy up by the millions ($50+ in map packs for a single title, $40 weapon skins, etc), put that money into the console's hardware, and enjoy enormous gains in performance for the life time of the console. But you're right, these same people would be calling for the CEO's heads at a $399 (or God forbid $499) price announcement. Many would undoubtedly be posting their outrage via their $150/month iPhone plan bloated with a bunch of worthless paid apps.
 
If we can use the Wii as a barometer for the price (not saying we can, but if we do), then we might expect a $50 increase from the previous console, so $300.

Faulty math, but for other reasons I'm also saying $300 is most likely. Nintendo loves the price gap.
 
Yeah, I think a $300 price tag seems the most likely choice. I'm calling it will include the tablet controller and one wiimote, but no disc game bundle. Although it'll likely have a couple of games installed like a WiiU version of Face Raiders.
 
Andrex said:
If we can use the Wii as a barometer for the price (not saying we can, but if we do), then we might expect a $50 increase from the previous console, so $300.

Faulty math, but for other reasons I'm also saying $300 is most likely. Nintendo loves the price gap.
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I was fully expecting $349 till the mishandling of the 3DS. They have no choice but to be aggressive so I'm expecting $299 as well.

EDIT: With a max of $329.
 
I still stand by my theory that the 3DS's launch price was entirely intentional...

Iwata said before they announced the price that only certain kinds of people would be early adopters, and that those people would pay a higher price.

I think the whole ambassador thing with the price cut was just to keep us quiet, because it would look REALLY bad in hindsight once people dug those quotes up. Im looking for it now.


Idk how this went unnoticed by GAF though.
 
Gravijah said:
given that the 3DS should have been $200, $299 is a safe bet.
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299 for supposedly significantly better than PS3 and 360 hardware, PLUS a added essentially, smartphone or the like as a second controller? I'm not so sure...

On the savings side, no mandatory hard drive cost like PS3.
 
specialguy said:
299 for supposedly significantly better than PS3 and 360 hardware, PLUS a added essentially, smartphone or the like as a second controller? I'm not so sure...

On the savings side, no mandatory hard drive cost like PS3.
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PS3 & 360 are half a decade old. you can build things faster than them for the same price these days. plus, the controller isn't going to be like a smartphone. it doesn't have a gpu or anything iirc.
 
They'll launch it at a high price, and they'll also include NO first party games. Launch games will include some ports, some shovelware, and some middlingly decent games.

/3ds repeat
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
They'll launch it at a high price, and they'll also include NO first party games. Launch games will include some ports, some shovelware, and some middlingly decent games.

/3ds repeat
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I would rather have a 3DS style launch window than a Wii style launch.
 
Kyzer said:
I still stand by my theory that the 3DS's launch price was entirely intentional...

Iwata said before they announced the price that only certain kinds of people would be early adopters, and that those people would pay a higher price.

I think the whole ambassador thing with the price cut was just to keep us quiet, because it would look REALLY bad in hindsight once people dug those quotes up. Im looking for it now.


Idk how this went unnoticed by GAF though.
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You're looking too far into it. Every system drops in price eventually; that's why Iwata said that. There is NO CHANCE IN HELL that the price dropping this much or this early was planned. That is beyond stupid.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I am fully prepared for Nintendo to have learned nothing and price it high.
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That is a good possibility, but at the same time, they may also have learned a great deal.
They saw how drastically the 3DS had to be dealt with.
 
AceBandage said:
That is a good possibility, but at the same time, they may also have learned a great deal.
They saw how drastically the 3DS had to be dealt with.
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No games....no games

My 3ds has been collecting dust for a very very long time
 
Kyzer said:
I still stand by my theory that the 3DS's launch price was entirely intentional...

Iwata said before they announced the price that only certain kinds of people would be early adopters, and that those people would pay a higher price.

I think the whole ambassador thing with the price cut was just to keep us quiet, because it would look REALLY bad in hindsight once people dug those quotes up. Im looking for it now.


Idk how this went unnoticed by GAF though.
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I think a lot of people around here know that Nintendo said they thought they could sell it at that price.
 
BurntPork said:
You're looking too far into it. Every system drops in price eventually; that's why Iwata said that. There is NO CHANCE IN HELL that the price dropping this much or this early was planned. That is beyond stupid.
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Yeah okay, I understand your argument, "Thats dumb" and all, but I'm talking about a real thing here.

Before the 3DS price was announced, Iwata was questioned on it and he said something along the lines of [We've come to learn that the only people that buy hardware early are willing to pay a premium to do so.]

I think they released early in the year, and damn fucking straight they planned on dropping the price by the holidays. They just didnt realize until the sales were literally terrible that they were about to publically screw some loyal fans.

There was a whole thread on it, but ironically enough its impossible to search any kind of key terms without just being lead to one of many articles or threads on the price cut. -_-

Idk man maybe im just imagining it all.
 
Lovely Salsa said:
No games....no games

My 3ds has been collecting dust for a very very long time
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You expect games to suddenly pop up out of nowhere? If there weren't enough games for you to be satisfied, you should have waited.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
I am fully prepared for Nintendo to have learned nothing and price it high.
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I don't know.

Seeing how people freaked out at the 360's price reveal (which in hindsight was extremely funny if you look at Sony) and the flatout outrage with the PS3 I don't believe Nintendo is that shortsighted. Looking back at the past few months and seeing how they repeatedly punched the panic button with 3DS must have had some influence on their upcoming Wii U pricing/strategy.
 
BurntPork said:
You expect games to suddenly pop up out of nowhere? If there weren't enough games for you to be satisfied, you should have waited.
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Yep, I should.....I should've badly. Not only that, I had to suffer even more with the pricedrop
 
Kyzer said:
Yeah okay, I understand your argument, "Thats dumb" and all, but I'm talking about a real thing here.

Before the 3DS price was announced, Iwata was questioned on it and he said something along the lines of [We've come to learn that the only people that buy hardware early are willing to pay a premium to do so.]

I think they released early in the year, and damn fucking straight they planned on dropping the price by the holidays. They just didnt realize until the sales were literally terrible that they were about to publically screw some loyal fans.

There was a whole thread on it, but ironically enough its impossible to search any kind of key terms without just being lead to one of many articles or threads on the price cut. -_-

Idk man maybe im just imagining it all.
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That logic would work if the original plan was to launch it early in the year. However, that's not the case, since we know that they originally wanted to launch it late last year. It was simply a case of them maximizing profit. They launched it at the highest price they thought it could sell at and they planned to cut once sales went down. They did not plan to built up horrible publicity or to lose money. No sane company that's not a monopoly would purposefully try to get such horrible PR.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
Oh no Nintendo is domed!
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specialguy said:
If not higher. 350/400 isn't out of the question imo.

Heck the 360 is still 299 and PS3 249. Wii U will be packing much more cost than them if only for the tablet screen alone...

Just another reason this whole Wii U thing is a real headshaker for me. That controller alone will be a cost albatross forever.
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That's Nintendo's main competition. They have to price it at a point similar to the Kinect/Move bundles.
 
It's ridiculous that gamers call for Iwata's head if Wii U is $300 to $450.

Most of these gamers spend many hundreds of dollars on DLC, collector's editions, and zillions of games that just go into a "backlog".
 
Ubermatik said:
It has a button on the front. It, like, turns it on.
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Shhh, don't say that too loud. I think IGN is listening...

Damn, too late:


"Does the button on the front of Wii U indicate a lack of faith in the pad controller?"
 
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