Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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IIRC, the original plan was for the Wii to be $199 without Wii Sports. Nintendo ultimately decided to include Wii Sports, but bumped the price up to $250. So in effect, they ended up forcing everyone to buy a $50 copy of Wii Sports in the West. So they still got their money for the game.Andrex said:
And in retrospect, I don't think anyone at Nintendo would argue that bundling Wii Sports didn't work out brilliantly. Of course, if they decide to be really aggressive with the price of the WiiU and sell the system at a slight loss, then the value proposition of bundling a top-tier title may not be as attractive as it was with the Wii (which sold at a tidy profit from day one).
Thunder Monkey
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I expect a range of Upad centric tech demos. Like we got with WiiSports. They'll likely have a broader range.
herzogzwei1989
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TunaLover said:
Awesome \O/
herzogzwei1989 said:
Honestly, I post this whole story a page or so back and it goes unnoticed?
/rant
Anyway, it's promising, but I get a feeling of 'meh' from the interview.
It's like they're saying "yeah, it's a possibility, we suppose...", were as everything's a 'possibility'...
They don't register much interest in the system, just note that it exists.
Still, better than nothing I suppose.
Hero of Legend
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I said earlier that Nintendo should include the Bird and the mysterious Japanese Street graphics demo pre-installed in the Wii U, I'd kill to see both demos in their final form and not just have to stick with the video of the Bird demo from E3 which wasn't even the improved version on the show floor. 
Dalthien said:
So, if Nintendo included some modern shaders in the Wii, and a little extra RAM. They could have gotten away with an HD system for about $250? With Wii sports they could have gotten away with $300, possibly even charging $350 considering how popular the console was for the first two years. Still below the 360.
Now its kind of difficult to measure the hype for the WiiU at this time. But if the Wii brand is strong, Nintendo could get away with charging 350 including a game, and declare, look our new robust online service! Your favorite games HD ready! And introducing our new revolutionary controller!
AceBandage said:
o...k...
I'll give you that the original quote i responded to was a bit ambiguous. He seems to be talking about sales, 3rd party support, multiplat games and system of choice, all at the same time. Wii sold hardware yet didn't get the 3rd party support, let alone multiplat games it should have (problem is it couldn't have either). N64 and GCN excelled at dropping a few big first party titles and not getting sales or support. Which is exactly what he was claiming to be the way to go.
So no, not good enough, it didn't work in the past. And we are talking about home consoles here, not portables.
abstract alien
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One of the few games I would actually buy twice since I can have a completely different experience. Would love it.TunaLover said:
I've been wondering exactly what they could do that would be able to capture a really casual market, but you've reminded me about the table top style games they showed in their e3 trailer which didn't do anything with the actual TV at all. Video calling, Reader functionality, etc...yeah, they really do have ways to push this as far as the expanded crowd is concerned.Thunder Monkey said:
abstract alien
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Why are you acting like the core 360 SKU didn't exist?MDX said:
And the Wii brand is not strong anymore. Going two years with very few games worth buying killed it, and the new controller it's as interesting.
Screw it. This is useless. It will flop at $350. Wii succeeded partially due to being cheap, so making it expensive isn't going to work unless Nintendo creates a true next-gen "hardcore" console, since only "hardcore" gamers will buy it at that price. I bet that if you asked every causal gamer you know if they would buy a Wii U at $350, not a single one of them would say yes. You guys are nuts! You're just hoping that it'll be $350 because you feel that's the only way it'll give the jump over the current-gen you're asking for.
BurntPork said:
We don't know that. Its unprecedented. This is going to be the first time these soccer moms get excited about a new video game console coming out. OMG a new Wii!
Just because in your mind 299 is okay and 349 is expensive doesnt mean the consumer sees it that way.
Besides, I'm sure theyre planning on releasing it for 399$ in the spring and then cut the price to 299 for the holidays to milk the hardcore fans. But theyll release an apology letter, give 20 free NES games, and a bunch of rumors will fly around about how Iwata is close to getting fired, and people will say Nintendo am doomed as they *laughs* all the way to the bank . =P
AlexMeloche
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Why are you guys arguing about the price of the console when we don't even know what is the real power of the thing or what is going to come with it?
demosthenes
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If wii was 350 it wouldn't have sold anywhere near where it did.MDX said:
AceBandage
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AlexMeloche said:
three fiddy
The_Endgamer
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AlexMeloche said:
Give this man a cookie.
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Wii U Speculation Thread
ItWasMeantToBe19
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AlexMeloche said:
I would say a target price usually comes before the specs at started. It's fine to argue about whether or not Nintendo should build a machine that costs $400 or whether it should be $300 or whether they should take a loss and you don't need specs to argue the point.
lunchwithyuzo
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Early on Wii was even going for higher rates from resellers. I think Wii even could've pulled off $499 better than PS3 did.demosthenes said:
herzogzwei1989
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EDIT: BEATEN, oh so beaten :/
AceBandage
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It's been posted a few times and that site is banned...
herzogzwei1989
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Ubermatik said:
so sorry i missed it man, i was gonna comment.
AceBandage
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BurntPork said:
I raise you $10 in 1889.
This counts as speculation...
I wrote this article about a voice chat solution for the Wii U. I think it isn't too far fetched considering the features on the Wii Speak channel and the upcoming online features for the 3DS.
Let me know what you think.
I wrote this article about a voice chat solution for the Wii U. I think it isn't too far fetched considering the features on the Wii Speak channel and the upcoming online features for the 3DS.
Let me know what you think.
BurntPork said:
Well its good to see you warming up to the 300-350 price tag.
Sony and MS have already established that powerful machines are priced above
$ 300 in the eyes of the average consumer. Therefore Nintendo will have to launch above $ 300 to have their machine be taken seriously. $349. Will include, Wiipad, a revised Wiimote&chuck & game.
I said if they're forced. I'm still positive that it'll be the worst flop since the Virtual Boy if it launches at $349 unless Sony and MS both launch with only one SKU at $450 or higher while the Wii U can still get ports. It'll be <$300, or it'll flop. Simple as that. Nintendo can't compete with Sony and Microsoft directly.MDX said:
Face it. This is about the fact that YOU want a powerful machine and YOU feel that it needs to launch at $350 to be powerful.
lunchwithyuzo
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It's going to br $299 at the absolute most. 3DS was a hard lesson.
BurntPork said:
I would love to buy the WiiU at 250 or less.
Point is, Nintendo wants to attract a certain crowd.
That crowd might not take the console seriously at 250.
Nintendo's core fans probably range up to 50 million customers.
I expect Nintendo can reach those numbers with a console priced at 349 over a five year period. Thats still pretty good considering they are not selling it for a loss.
The crowd you're talking about won't take it seriously because it's a Nintendo product bearing the Wii name. Also, I doubt that Nintendo is saying "WE HAVE TO OVERPRICE THIS SO WE'RE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!"MDX said:
And I never said anything about $249. I think $269 is the absolute lowest possible price, with $299 being the most likely. MAYBE they would go up to $319 or $329 if they pack a whole lot in the box. However, if Nintendo is so concerned about the Wii U being taken seriously, they'll make a powerhouse console with a built-in HDD and good online. We're probably not getting any of that.
BurntPork said:
People will get over the name.
They will see it for what its for, the most powerful console on the market.
Granted, in the end its about the games.
I do believe Nintendo will have some interesting exclusives to show off the power before
MS and Sony get their next gen consoles on the market.
And you cant claim "overprice" because you dont know what the console will be packing.
MDX, why are you having this discussion with burntpork? Shouldn't you know better by now?
Price point discussions are all relative. Whether or not the thing will succeed at $350 vs $250 is dependent on so many unknown variables. How powerful will it actually be? What's packed in with it? What services do you get? What features? And most importantly, will nintendo market the device properly?
Also, there's a variety of lessons nintendo could have potentially learned from the 3DS with varying degrees of importance. Perhaps they see that it wasn't the price that was the problem but the lack of compelling 1st party software. Maybe they feel the consumer expected something more powerful from $250. Or they could just think that 3D wasn't as great of a hook as they anticipated. It's even possible we're already seeing a shift in tactics through the securing of important key 3rd party IPs. There's a lot of ways they can respond to the 3DS's first year performance. The point is we wont really know how or if their product philosophy has changed until we get more details about the Wii U launch.
Price point discussions are all relative. Whether or not the thing will succeed at $350 vs $250 is dependent on so many unknown variables. How powerful will it actually be? What's packed in with it? What services do you get? What features? And most importantly, will nintendo market the device properly?
Also, there's a variety of lessons nintendo could have potentially learned from the 3DS with varying degrees of importance. Perhaps they see that it wasn't the price that was the problem but the lack of compelling 1st party software. Maybe they feel the consumer expected something more powerful from $250. Or they could just think that 3D wasn't as great of a hook as they anticipated. It's even possible we're already seeing a shift in tactics through the securing of important key 3rd party IPs. There's a lot of ways they can respond to the 3DS's first year performance. The point is we wont really know how or if their product philosophy has changed until we get more details about the Wii U launch.
TwilightPrincess
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Hahaha, Nintendo launched the Wii at 249 /$, it sold for 400 bucks at ebay etc.
I don´t think they will get the same attention, but i assume there will be people buying it in launchperiod at a pricepoint like 349 or 399 if they amaze people with new ideas and promote the shit out of it.
And if it is powerfull, if they moneyhat in the west and in the east, i don´t see your problems people
Superiour DQ X in Japan, Nintendo IPs with badass grafics, new casual titles, perhaps some big IPs for the west. I wouldn´t be blown away too much by a pretty big western title to be exclusive for the WiiU. Iwata will show his balls.
Look at japan, they have every grande franchise for the 3DS, even 2 MH Games (Vita has none), and all the usual PSP stuff. Iwata has to invest in the rest of the world too. He said. He will.
I don´t think they will get the same attention, but i assume there will be people buying it in launchperiod at a pricepoint like 349 or 399 if they amaze people with new ideas and promote the shit out of it.
And if it is powerfull, if they moneyhat in the west and in the east, i don´t see your problems people
Superiour DQ X in Japan, Nintendo IPs with badass grafics, new casual titles, perhaps some big IPs for the west. I wouldn´t be blown away too much by a pretty big western title to be exclusive for the WiiU. Iwata will show his balls.
Look at japan, they have every grande franchise for the 3DS, even 2 MH Games (Vita has none), and all the usual PSP stuff. Iwata has to invest in the rest of the world too. He said. He will.
AceBandage
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It's all about marketing.
If they can market it well, then they are golden.
If they can market it well, then they are golden.
ShockingAlberto
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You need marketing, games, mass market pricing, games, and hardware people want.
And games.
You can't afford to take any of these things for granted, even if your hardware is just a new, appealing controller.
And games.
You can't afford to take any of these things for granted, even if your hardware is just a new, appealing controller.
ShockingAlberto
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Then you need $500,000,000 in advertising but you don't, apparently, need games.Gravijah said:
ItWasMeantToBe19
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ShockingAlberto said:
PS2 managed to sell for the first several months of its life with bad hardware, not a great price, and no games just based on having DVD and the name. It can happen.
It does seem to be fading as well.
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