Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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bgassassin
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Ubermatik said:
I'm going with my Cayman Jr. hypothesis till being shown otherwise.
AzureJericho said:
Other than a minimal amount of bandwidth, the only other thing I can see would be cost. I've said kinda recently that the choice of a 4830 in the first dev kit could mean a targeted clock speed and/or ALU count. The usage of GDDR3 could be another possibility. I think I've said that before, but I can't remember.
Door2Dawn said:
*sees tag*
You put Barney in a can didn't you? Your slip up confirms it.
Log4Girlz said:
5. At least 4-5x the amount of bloom in PS360 games.
StreetsAhead
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Log4Girlz said:
Pikmin 3 started off/was probably nearly finished as a Wii game so, short of reproducing assets from scratch, it may not be able to take as full of an advantage as other titles built ground up. That being said, the difference between something like MG2 on Wii and Dolphin shows that it might not need that much of a graphical redesign leap anyway.
civilstrife
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Is e3 really the next port of call for this thing? Any likely major event before then? GDC?
StreetsAhead
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civilstrife said:
GDC is a possibility, or they could hold a Nintendo World, or other press event. Depends on when it's launching.
InsaneZero
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Speaking of which, the various Nintendo branches probably need to announce their own 2012 lineups soon, after the reveals in Japan.CO_Andy said:
Doubt that we'd hear anything about the Wii U, but details about the rumored 3DS November update may come out at around that time. It might give us a peek at how Nintendo might be handling the online infrastructure for the Wii U.
Or the 3DS online could still be falling flat on its face and tell us nothing about the Wii U, who knows?
IsntChrisL
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I really hope we hear something by Jan/Feb. I'd like to see the Wii U launch before the end of 2012. Assuming there are games ready for it that is.
StreetsAhead
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Iwata stated he wouldn't be talking about the Wii U at length again this year.
January is a possibility, although how much we'll be shown is a question of how close to the launch date everything is. Also, the problem that many of Nintendo's largest/most popular non-casual franchises won't be ready for 1 or 2 years (Zelda, 3D Mario, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, and so on). Hoping for a surprise return of F-Zero, if only coz an F-Zero game at 60fps and 1080p makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside.
January is a possibility, although how much we'll be shown is a question of how close to the launch date everything is. Also, the problem that many of Nintendo's largest/most popular non-casual franchises won't be ready for 1 or 2 years (Zelda, 3D Mario, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, and so on). Hoping for a surprise return of F-Zero, if only coz an F-Zero game at 60fps and 1080p makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside.
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CO_Andy said:
No way. If we are lucky, we will have a simultaneous January one for all regions for their winter/spring lineups, much less Wii U.
GDC is my guess. full blown reveal wont be till E3 again.
This may be an uncommon desire on the list of Wii U wants, but after the recent spate of "PSN/XBL accounts being hacked" threads, I must say I hope Wii U doesnt go down that dangerous path.
Wii online has managed fine where there is general security for your purchases as they are tied to your console. If they make it so Wii U has a transfer tool as DSi -> 3DS does, that would be fine by me.
I don't want the risk like sony/microsoft choosing to ban users who dare to get their banks involved in cancelling their credit cards when compromised on these 'ubiquitous' services that have zero effective security.
It's fine to have a persistent online persona across all games (ie essentially your Mii I expect) but I dont want the possibility of that plus my contacts plus my digital content to be held hostage by hackers, unsympathetic customer service and blatant anti-consumer EULA policies.
Hell, one PSN user in a recent GAF thread had his account banned and lost all his access to his digital content because someone hacked his account and he did a credit card chargeback. People at the start of this generation laughed at Nintendo's online policy - and theyre right from the perspective that the wii marketplace isnt as vibrant - but they turned out to be so much better at managing customer concerns.
I just hope Nintendo's Wii U online functionality doesnt get dragged into half-arsed, unsecure 'modernity' by publishers who want full control of gamers credit cards, online accounts and online pass bullshit.
Wii online has managed fine where there is general security for your purchases as they are tied to your console. If they make it so Wii U has a transfer tool as DSi -> 3DS does, that would be fine by me.
I don't want the risk like sony/microsoft choosing to ban users who dare to get their banks involved in cancelling their credit cards when compromised on these 'ubiquitous' services that have zero effective security.
It's fine to have a persistent online persona across all games (ie essentially your Mii I expect) but I dont want the possibility of that plus my contacts plus my digital content to be held hostage by hackers, unsympathetic customer service and blatant anti-consumer EULA policies.
Hell, one PSN user in a recent GAF thread had his account banned and lost all his access to his digital content because someone hacked his account and he did a credit card chargeback. People at the start of this generation laughed at Nintendo's online policy - and theyre right from the perspective that the wii marketplace isnt as vibrant - but they turned out to be so much better at managing customer concerns.
I just hope Nintendo's Wii U online functionality doesnt get dragged into half-arsed, unsecure 'modernity' by publishers who want full control of gamers credit cards, online accounts and online pass bullshit.
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StreetsAhead said:
January's really out of the picture. Nintendo won't announce anything for the Wii U until they've made sure about the 3DS's future course first and pacified their shareholders. And in that regard, January's still a bit too early to say.
I'm thinking March or April, personally.
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pakkit said:
The launch lineup wasnt the issue. The 3DS had a relatively good/average one. It was the months afterward with nothing major except zelda 3 months later. The eshop should have been readied sooner to fill in that gap in may.
Also, If its as easy to port from the 360 as the very first rumors suggested, then i doubt the Wii U will have a software shortage after launch. Especially if all the major third party games get a wii u version next holiday/fall too. That will be huge.
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InsaneZero said:
If they're still targeting a summer launch in Japan I feel it would be incredibly unwise to wait until March/April to show off the console in-country, regardless of the 3DS (whose recovery is all but assured at this point).
ShockingAlberto
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Whether for better or worse, any hope people had Nintendo was going to go to an account-based system died with the PSN outage.RandomVince said:
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ShockingAlberto said:
I dont believe that. I refuse to believe third parties wouldnt demand it.
shadyspace
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Account per publisher.Gamer @ Heart said:
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shadyspace said:
OH GOD
shadyspace
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Uplay account, Origin account, Activision account, etc, etc.Gamer @ Heart said:
ShockingAlberto
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"We feel the Wii U system that lets gamers make accounts directly with Origin.com and Electronic Arts lets us talk directly to our customers."Gamer @ Heart said:
"We feel the Wii U system that lets gamers make accounts directly with uPlay and Ubisoft lets us talk directly to our customers."
"We feel the Wii U system that lets gamers make accounts directly with ActiRape and Activision lets us talk directly to our customers."
StreetsAhead
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Starfox, 1080p, 60fps.
1080 Snowboarding, 1080p, 60fps.
F-Zero, 1080p, 60fps.
Hate lowering.
1080 Snowboarding, 1080p, 60fps.
F-Zero, 1080p, 60fps.
Hate lowering.
ShockingAlberto said:
As it should. They only need to include a license migration tool from one system to another (or according to hardware serial number) and that way the customer is protected.
I prefer security over convenience, though I dont think Nintendo's system is inconvenient at all.
If 3DS doesn't do well this holiday, it has no future. With Wii U due for release in 2012, it's time for more details. They can kill two birds with one stone in a January or February conference.InsaneZero said:
Really though, the stock drop before the 3DS conference made it pretty clear that there's not much Nintendo can do to make shareholders happy about 3DS. They want 3DS to be even more successful than DS, and if that's not possible they want Nintendo to ditch it and get into iOS. Nothing inbetween will get Nintendo's stock price a big boost.
If Nintendo isn't going to make an account system, they won't be able to compete with Sony and MS and they'll be totally dependent on casual gamers. That should give Nintendo incentive to hire the best security experts they can find, not to cut their arm off to avoid sticking their finger in the fan.ShockingAlberto said:
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ShockingAlberto said:
Guys, lets stay positive and hope for Steam!
But seriously, how are they working with an outside source and not a single tid bit has leaked about their online? Who is good at keeping secrets? Valve!
Guys seriously, it makes perfect sense.
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BurntPork said:
Exactly. With a price drop, Mario 3D, Mario Kart and Monster Hunter all dropping before Christmas if this thing can't pull out decent end-of-year numbers the situation may be irreparable.
ShockingAlberto
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It will probably be like PC without Steam installed.wsippel said:
All sorts of different logins.
Edit: I guess even with Steam installed, technically.
Gamer @ Heart
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I havent said this in a few pages so i will again now.
I hope the slot drive light is back. Love that blue/ And if it has an online system worth a dam, the notification option will be useful!
I hope the slot drive light is back. Love that blue/ And if it has an online system worth a dam, the notification option will be useful!
SolarPowered
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You know that terrible feeling you get when you almost vomit, but manage to hold it back?shadyspace said:
yeah....
StreetsAhead
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SolarPowered said:
But, but, but, but
Ahh...
Thunder Monkey
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Perfectly fine by me if they have a separate account system. At least it means I won't have to pay for things that should be free.
Part of the reason my 360 is never connected to the internet. I connect for demos and the occasional single player DLC. I play online on my PC.
But aside from Counter Strike in the late 90's and UT3 last decade... I don't play online. Occasional game of Halo on the PC. I definitely don't fit into the current console market that well.
Part of the reason my 360 is never connected to the internet. I connect for demos and the occasional single player DLC. I play online on my PC.
But aside from Counter Strike in the late 90's and UT3 last decade... I don't play online. Occasional game of Halo on the PC. I definitely don't fit into the current console market that well.
SolarPowered
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A true Smash Bros. sequel inspired by Melee would be the only thing that would make me buy that monstrosity of a system day one. Account per publisher means I'm buying a Nintendo console for niche third party titles and Nintendo games.
Kind of similar to my current predicament I guess...
Kind of similar to my current predicament I guess...
They're not crazy enough to charge for whatever service they offer.Thunder Monkey said:
ShockingAlberto
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I don't think I defended the idea, just that it's possible.BurntPork said:
Nintendo was probably considering it before this past April. Now they're so overly cautious that there's no way they will do an account system.
I would love to be proven wrong.
Thunder Monkey
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MS shouldn't exactly be charging for theirs... and yet.SolarPowered said:
SolarPowered
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It is the best of the three services that the console manufacturers offer and certainly better than Nintendo's services(by a country mile on that one).Thunder Monkey said:
BlackNMild2k1
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I'm picturing separate accounts each with a single login.
no credit card info stored anywhere (not locally, not online).
Nintendo Cash stored locally on the machine it was purchased on ~or~ stored in your account, but either way separate password protected
(touch screen keypad/board used - works for 3DS & WiiU).
no credit card info stored anywhere (not locally, not online).
Nintendo Cash stored locally on the machine it was purchased on ~or~ stored in your account, but either way separate password protected
(touch screen keypad/board used - works for 3DS & WiiU).
Thunder Monkey
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And still costs $50 more a year than it should.SolarPowered said:
I'm not giving Nintendo a free pass. As bad as MS is at this online thing (and by bad I mean greedy) Nintendo is infinitely worse. But better than bad isn't good. And charging for it in monkey mathematical terms means it's actually worse.
So by my calculations Nintendo has better online, while simultaneously having much worse.
Dreamwriter
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Yes, but they are charging for a matchmaking service, nothing else. It doesn't matter if it's the best service, the money people spend on it isn't what makes it the best. They are charging $50 a year so that one person's XBox 360 may act as a host for the other XBox 360's playing a multiplayer game - most games on XBox Live use peer-to-peer networking, so in multiplayer, they only touch XBox Live servers to ask for the IP addresses of other players online. There are other things XBox Live offers, true, such as online leaderboards and gamerscores and whatnot, but most of those are offered to people who don't pay $50 a year, the fee is mostly for true multiplayer, which costs Microsoft almost nothing.SolarPowered said:
MadOdorMachine
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1080p and 60 fps is a very curious topic. There's only a handful of games on PS3 that support it and even the new MGS, GoW, Ico/SotC, SC remakes don't support it. Those are ports of PS2 and PSP games. I'm beginning to wonder how realistic a possibility this is because for one reason or another, developers are avoiding this.StreetsAhead said:
Thunder Monkey
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Fine, if you want to be detailed about it, it's worth even less than I thought. They should be paying me to play on XBL. USING MY INTERNETS!!!Dreamwriter said:
ShockingAlberto
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I meant if they're going with the wasteland idea, not that they probably will.wsippel said:
Somehow I still suspect a one system, one account thing.
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