m.i.s.
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Run up to Xmas 2012 in the Western markets. Count on it.
Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Run up to Xmas 2012 in the Western markets. Count on it.
People need to realize that Wii U is a next generation platform through and through. Was Dreamcast bugged by PSX/N64 or PS2 by N64/Dreamcast? We can play the semantics game all day with regard to personal perception of the console as being "next gen" (not saying you are though) but for all intents and purposes, it's a next generation system by virtue of being a console succeeding a current generation system and ushering in the next big deal(s).
m.i.s.
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Yes, I realise that but, you know, the Wii U will literally be there on store shelves and web listings side by side. The Playstation brand still has strong resonance (especially in Japan and Europe) and 360 has made a strong initial sales impact with Kinect. ie they're both valid competitors.
Are we falling for the Nintendo sales patter that Wii wasn't going to directly compete with 360 and PS3?
I'm not suggesting that Nintendo will compete directly with MS and Sony on price (as in dollar for dollar). Wii U will be priced higher but it will be competing on sales with others even though, at least initially, many will buy it for Nintendo's first party offerings.
Just as a crude example. What would a budget conscious gamer, looking for a console and Batman: Arkham Asylum choose? The more expensive Wii U console or the $199 360 console?
Wii U is not going to start any new generation from publishers point of view. Its another box to port stuff. They will put the exactly same games there as on 360. Thats what consumers will see. Its not the same thing at all as 360 or PS2 were
Just the same way that the 360 and the Xbox 3 will share game SKUs next holiday season. Such as Halo 4.
Yup, that's why we already have 2, albeit low profile, Wii U exclusives: killer freaks and ghost recon online.
But all that aside, the Wii U will be considered a new console if marketed correctly simply because it IS a new product. It's the NEW Wii, and people will view it as such. Whether or not it'll be immediately distinguishable from 360/PS3 based solely on footage is irrelevant.
radioheadrule83
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Lego City Stories too... I think they understand the need for differentiation, they need one of these titles or another title to be a big hit though.
They woul still need CAV for backwards compatibility.
So you're suggesting the opposite which is that Wii U will be an device that merely prolongs this generations' potential for games while everything mentioned so far states that the system is capable of more? That's extreme pessimism right there. If I might be a little facetious here, may I ask why Xbox3 or PS4 won't be port boxes of current generation games as well? At least until they reach suitable adoption levels that is.
Additionally, I don't really care about specs determining a generation in gaming, so maybe I should make this clearer. IMO new console release = new generation. Simple as that. If publishers follow the logic you're proposing for real and don't take advantage of both a new machine with up to date standards to both promote their libraries with ports as well as encourage new entries in this era where multiplatform development is not only easier but advised for the sake of dealing with budgets, then (once again IMO) this time they deserve to go extinct.
It's not just your opinion, it is fact. Wii U kicks off the 8th generation of consoles. Wii was part of the 7th generation of consoles.
Publishers, however, have had a LOT of missteps this gen... so I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that they'll do the right thing in general.
I know we know very little about the game, but if LEGO City Stories has some type of Lego-esque online.. and based on sales of their property titles, this may be a huge game for Nintendo.
lunchwithyuzo
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LCS is different though, it's first party funded/published and it's also not exclusive since there's a 3DS version.
Edit: The Wii U Tekken game is suppossed to be an exclusive though.
Well, I think someone who is involved in the development of the game took the liberty of hyping it a few months ago...that's certainly unexpected! What would he have to gain from such an appraisal? GOTY 2012
November for Thanksgiving in US, early December for Europe, maybe push out to January for Japan if production is low? (more important to deliver before christmas in the west, and perhaps head off an Xbox launch)
WiiU will have its exclusives as well as unique third party experiences because of its unique controller as well as improved hardware. Saying that it'll compete directly with PS3 and XBox 360 and just get ports is like claiming Wii was competing with XBox and PS2 and just got ports. Its a new system with unique features, it'll be seen as the first of a new generation of consoles, because that's what it is.
lunchwithyuzo
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Japan will get it first because it's the market that needs it most from a sales perspective. I expect Japanese publishers will be pushing for it too.
I won't lie, I just want to see a console generation where things aren't dictated, either by media or the actual pubs/devs as being two tier where Xbox3/PS4 are detached from Wii U and treated similarly in terms of putting out games. With everything said about Wii U currently, it's more than good enough to receive the same types of games those two can get (pared down or no) but it just feels like at times people want the distinction to persist with how much they confidently talk of it happening.
Ah well, on to things more on my level of scope, anyone else want to see a resurgence of Japanese development and hope it can be kick started with this system's release? New system and new audiences to tap might just be what they need to start fresh and get a better presence going for themselves.
Ah well, on to things more on my level of scope, anyone else want to see a resurgence of Japanese development and hope it can be kick started with this system's release? New system and new audiences to tap might just be what they need to start fresh and get a better presence going for themselves.
The only thing indicating otherwise is imo some hopefuls here. Miyamoto said it is not going to "dramatically outperform" current consoles. Some dev called it small step above 360 and some other 50% better. Some are convinced there will be a huge reboot somehow
Yeah this will likely happen. Games will be designed so they will run on a 360 for some time unless 1st party. True next-gen projects will take a few years to complete anyway
Well, I think someone who is involved in the development of the game took the liberty of hyping it a few months ago...that's certainly unexpected! What would he have to gain from such an appraisal? GOTY 2012
Wait.. someone who is WORKING on the game... took time out to praise their work?
If the system is a damn 360 with an extra 512mb of ram (this includes the same shitty PPE processor and even the same videocard) it can still get ports of "next gen" (such a shitty term) games.
How many times is it now that people have corrected you on this? You seem to ignore any response to these kind of claims and just keep coming back with the same thing.
You're talking about people being hopeful, but the info you're using to come to your conclusions is FAR weaker than the info those people are using, frankly its extremely vague and your conclusions very tenuous.
And some called it less of a stopgap and more of a point distinctly beyond the current generation. But you're too much of a troll to pay attention to those quotes, right?
What does this even mean? You mean some people are convinced this is a full or near generational leap? Because no one is saying that, no matter how much you pretend that's the case.
See here's the thing, I trust the guys doing the investigative work in this thread and I trust their sources plus GAF's own that's been popping in to help out. Everything they've compiled points to a system that is at absolute "Nintendo what the fucking fuck is wrong with you fucks" worst 50% better (Rant Edit: What do these numbers even really mean in the context of systems? They don't have set power levels and all have different parts that must be balanced and worked between to get the most out of them.) and at best between a half & three quarter step up from this generation. I'd be very much inclined to stick with lines given to us by Miyamoto and these guys if this information didn't exist. I also would still be skeptic given the notes about alpha kits and increased emphasis on the things we've seen being produced on them. Who's to say they weren't gauging this system based on one of this nowhere near final bits of hardware? The Miyamoto quote is the only one that's hard to be skeptical about outright since it comes from someone who would be privy to the information, however nothing about Miyamoto suggests to me that he's into the raw technicality of the consoles Nintendo produces beyond ergonomics & end user interfaces.
As much as there is to say one thing, there's more to suggest the other. In this case, it's best to work with what's solid over what's strongly hinted at.
Also "not dramatically more powerful" only tells us what every single person here already knows, that its not a standard generational leap. There's no reason to take those words to mean the console will only be slightly more powerful, slightly and dramatically are at two totally different ends of the spectrum after all.
Nintendo no longer sets pricing in Europe, remember?
DeaconKnowledge
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"Next-Gen" Is not nor has been arbitrarily determined by how much RAM is in the box and Wii U will not change that.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the idea of nintendo developing on platforms more powerful than current HD consoles is incredibly tantalizing.
I loved nintendo's Wii output. They made incredible games, but it is undeniable that they were constrained to last gen modes of development. In my opinion, the single aspect of this generation's games that differentiates it from the previous gen, apart from the resolution boost, is not shaders or shineies but scope and scale. Nintendo has crafted amazing games this gen within a tunnel. They're about to expand out into a vast open field.
I loved nintendo's Wii output. They made incredible games, but it is undeniable that they were constrained to last gen modes of development. In my opinion, the single aspect of this generation's games that differentiates it from the previous gen, apart from the resolution boost, is not shaders or shineies but scope and scale. Nintendo has crafted amazing games this gen within a tunnel. They're about to expand out into a vast open field.
It sets a wholesale price in euros. Knowing expected margins in Europe that usually ends up at a consumer friendly round number. But because they are euro prices, the UK has to deal with the exchange rate too, resulting in numbers that are less neat if you use normal margins
CoffeeJanitor
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We'll see. That might have been more of a result of the way Nintendo makes games than anything--tightly controlled experiences seem to be their specialty. Even Metroid is very controlled, despite how "nonlinear" it seems.
Fourth Storm
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Well said...I wonder if Nintendo's internal teams are going to get another shakeup as they did a few years back (leading to the formation of the awesome EAD Tokyo) to deal with the new challenges of developing larger worlds. Regardless, I cannot wait for the Iwata Asks to gain insight into how Nintendo are approaching "next-gen" development.
Except for the fact that the HD generation, as a whole, has evolved to games becoming far less "large" in scope, and far more linear. There are exceptions, but those exceptions involve very very long development cycles and hundreds of millions of dollars. In other words, Xenoblade 2 is going to be a lot smaller in scope and size (asset creation being the biggest hurdle).
I think game structure has become more linear but things like number of enemies, size of enemies, size of levels, simultaneous processes such as AI and on screen events, etc. has received a considerable boost. I know what you mean though about asset creation being a hurdle.
lordfroakie
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Good luck with that, pretty sure ninty are working on wiimote 3.0 :d
lunchwithyuzo
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I'll settle for Virtual Console games. Including Gamecube.
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herzogzwei1989
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[Nintex];33098822 said:
I predict $299
Thunder Monkey
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I do too.
It would launch lower than either the PS3 or 360 did, and be much more powerful than either to boot.
Sony and MS I expect to be priced in the area of $399.
I dont see that any verified dev has posted here anything otherwise. This thread is full of nintendofans they can correct what they like.. Tri core CPU and 1GB are confirmed
I was thinking more of cc compatible games.
Please link the confirmation of both.
With a $79 price cut in the first 90 days.
His interpretation of the "confirmed" specs are as skewed as anybody else's. lherre has stated that it's a tri-core with at minimum 1gb or ram. Nothing about the ram amount is confirmed, despite what luckyman would like you to believe. Nothing about clock speeds has been confirmed. Nothing about the GPU has been confirmed, though I believe it's been heavily implied that a rv770LE (Radeon HD 4830 which has 640 SPUs. I think luckyman adamantly stated in another thread that the wii u gpu would have something around 480 at maximum) was at some point (or still is) used in the dev kits.
Iirc the comment was made that it was used in the alpha dev kits prior to E3, but has since changed.
The specs are unknown and probably not final. Luckyman's out-of-context Miyamoto quote came from an interview in which he said just that, that they're trying to weigh their options in 'the balance' between CPU and GPU and what that means for the pricing. We should therefore not have too high expectations. That's what he meant with that quote.
One thing that's not going to happen is a Wii U that is outclassed by the devkit specs we keep on hearing about. If that's not going to happen, we have a serious, but not a generational, leap that's about to happen.
Anyway, I'm not sure Miyamoto is very close to the hardware devs, nor that he can accurately judge PS3 and 360 power either way.
Forsaken82
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And yet your information is accurate right? Even though your info comes from the same pool of bullshit everyone else is pulling from...
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