Oddduck said:So Iwata understands that consumers have multiple consoles and he understands that consumers will buy third party games for the most powerful console. So why the fuck would Iwata release another system only a little more powerful than the 360/PS3? That doesn't help solve the issue of people having other platforms at home to buy games for. That doesn't solve the lower graphical capabilities issue when the next Xbox and next Playstation come out.
Wii U can easily be quite inferior and still have a positive effect; just not incompatibly inferior. I got a Wii first. Eventually I ended up getting the HD systems for the things that just weren't possible on Wii. But if Wii had been close enough to get a downgraded port of the Final Fantasies and Mass Effects of the world, I wouldn't have needed them at all. Especially since Wii U is going to be first to the market, a lot of people are going to have a Wii U first--they just need to convince them it's more worth their money to buy more Wii U games than to buy a second/third machine to play some of the same games with higher visual quality.Oddduck said:If anything, this seems like confirmation that they'll take specs more serious this time around. I don't think Iwata wants Wii U to get the inferior versions of third party games.
People's Wii's are collecting dust? (No surprise) I'm still using mine a lot for VC and some Metroid or DKC:R.
Wii U can easily be quite inferior and still have a positive effect; just not incompatibly inferior. I got a Wii first. Eventually I ended up getting the HD systems for the things that just weren't possible on Wii. But if Wii had been close enough to get a downgraded port of the Final Fantasies and Mass Effects of the world, I wouldn't have needed them at all. Especially since Wii U is going to be first to the market, a lot of people are going to have a Wii U first--they just need to convince them it's more worth their money to buy more Wii U games than to buy a second/third machine to play some of the same games with higher visual quality.
Wii U can easily be quite inferior and still have a positive effect; just not incompatibly inferior. I got a Wii first. Eventually I ended up getting the HD systems for the things that just weren't possible on Wii. But if Wii had been close enough to get a downgraded port of the Final Fantasies and Mass Effects of the world, I wouldn't have needed them at all. Especially since Wii U is going to be first to the market, a lot of people are going to have a Wii U first--they just need to convince them it's more worth their money to buy more Wii U games than to buy a second/third machine to play some of the same games with higher visual quality.
This is key. The Wii U launching first gets it into hands first.. and I hear around here plenty of time, "I'd like to go down to one console, but.."
If Nintendo can take away that "but.." part by making it sufficiently capable of handling ports, they'd be in a prime spot to be that one console that so many folks talk about.
Same here, I'm currently playing all my games again
At least, till I get Xenoblade, Kirby's: RTDL and Mario Party 9![]()
If the Wii-U turns out to be nothing more than an overglorified 360 or PS3 in power, that one system thing may work against Nintendo and people ask why get that system if it's not much more powerful. Chances are a lot of the core games will be third party ports from existing systems as mentioned and they won't be specially tailored for the Wii-U's capabilities, other than it's finally a Nintendo HD console.
Yeah, having the third party support will be good bullet point but they need some exclusives that will get people to jump over. I would honestly be shocked if Sony and MS both don't drop price by $50(or more?) this E3 for the holidays to make WiiU look more expensive (and to boost their own sales obviously).
No, Nintendo also had real systems at E3. Those seemingly contained the exact same PCB as the old V10001 devkits.So then the Wii-U's on demo at E3 were just hollow white shells with nothing inside...great
That would be a good thing... For Nintendo!
I believe people will much more look at Wii U as a next-gen system if the price point difference is bigger between ps360 and Wii U.
Regarding 3rd party exclusives... No. That's not even the state where Nintendo is: They target multiplatform titles. Getting 3rd party exclusives, it's not really the problem here. They already have Lego GTA and DQX. Nintendo's IPs alone are more than are enought for a console. If they get most of 3rd party multiplatform titles, it will be a great achievement for Nintendo.
There isn't anymore great western 3rd party exclusives, and japaneses ones are MonHun and DraQue. I believe FF will remain multiplatform at least for the next-gen, and it will be another megaton if FF return on a Nintendo home console (for a main entry in the series).
Yeah, having the third party support will be good bullet point but they need some exclusives that will get people to jump over. I would honestly be shocked if Sony and MS both don't drop price by $50(or more?) this E3 for the holidays to make WiiU look more expensive (and to boost their own sales obviously).
Just like what happened with the 3ds and Vita, oh wait.
I didn't say third party exclusive I said exclusives.
aren't 1st and 2nd party games an exclusive by definition?
yes but what I said in the initial post was exclusives that would get people to jump over. Vita has alot of first party and some third party exclusives but not much that has people ready to buy the highest priced out of all the alternatives.
Good thing Wii U doesn't have to rely on Sony games to sell it.yes but what I said in the initial post was exclusives that would get people to jump over. Vita has alot of first party and some third party exclusives but not much that has people ready to buy the highest priced out of all the alternatives.
well, i think it's silly questioning nintendo 1st and 2nd party games ability to sell systems... that's a given... nintendo 1st and 2nd party will always drive people who like nintendo games to purchase their console...
the only part worth discussing is 3rd party exclusive/multiplatform support
I just cannot believe we got a THIRD thread on Wii U SPECULATION.
Crazy GAF is the best GAF though.
Well theres the N64... and Gamecube...., they didn't sell that many systems...... Are we likely to see Mario or Mario Kart at launch.....? We know Smash has only just started......, Zelda is probably a fair way off too......3DS didnt start to sell well until those bigger games came....
Lack of 1T-SRAM tells me that software emulation is on the way, but knowing Nintendo and its desire for 100% backwards compatibility, they'll probably do it all for EVERY game in-house. Gonna pray for 1080p up-rezzing (Reggie's comments on the matter can go to hell)
It's that case man. That case. It's too small to dissipate heat. That's the only thing that makes me think this will be a 'Dreamcast' style console (noticeably more powerful than current gen, but noticeably less powerful than the gen it will technically belong to). Of course, that's just my speculation. The case design could change wildly between now and release or they might have some awesome cooling solution.
lol, we've discussed launch titles in this thread for at least a few times.
Mario Kart team was just finished with 7 on 3DS so that'll be a while. Smash, as you said, just started dev. Zelda is a long way too, since they just finished Skyward Sword. 2D NSMB could be at launch as NSMB Mii but there's also a 2D NSMB announced for 3DS so who knows what'll happen (cross platform?). Monster Games is probably going to do some kind of Excite game. Pikmin 3 might be launch. Wii U Sports is probably going to be launch too.
And I still don't think that Nintendo should put a Mario at launch. It'll cannibalise sales off Pikmin 3 or other Nintendo IPs launching with it. Also, if 3rd party games sell badly at launch, they'll say Nintendo is 'competing' against them again or similar BS.
Of course, as seen with the 3DS, they can't launch with just Pikmin 3 or other not well known IPs. They'd best be served by releasing something like Warioware or Donkey Kong; something famous enough to carry the system at launch but not big enough to overwhelm all the other titles. They should leave Mario as an ace in the hole or for a killer holiday at their leisure.
Pfff... It's nintendo!I would hate to drop the Wii U controller and crack the screen. I hope Nintendo adds a strap for it.
Well theres the N64... and Gamecube...., they didn't sell that many systems...... Are we likely to see Mario or Mario Kart at launch.....? We know Smash has only just started......, Zelda is probably a fair way off too......3DS didnt start to sell well until those bigger games came....
Metroid would be the perfect system opener as nintendo's big launch game imo.
i'm not too sure about metroid being the perfect launch title, its sales never been really noteworthy
Monster Games recently hired a character animator, so their next game is probably character driven. Not that this completely rules out Excite, but it opens up some possibilities.lol, we've discussed launch titles in this thread for at least a few times.
Mario Kart team was just finished with 7 on 3DS so that'll be a while. Smash, as you said, just started dev. Zelda is a long way too, since they just finished Skyward Sword. 2D NSMB could be at launch as NSMB Mii but there's also a 2D NSMB announced for 3DS so who knows what'll happen (cross platform?). Monster Games is probably going to do some kind of Excite game. Pikmin 3 might be launch. Wii U Sports is probably going to be launch too.
And I still don't think that Nintendo should put a Mario at launch. It'll cannibalise sales off Pikmin 3 or other Nintendo IPs launching with it. Also, if 3rd party games sell badly at launch, they'll say Nintendo is 'competing' against them again or similar BS.
Of course, as seen with the 3DS, they can't launch with just Pikmin 3 or other not well known IPs. They'd best be served by releasing something like Warioware or Donkey Kong; something famous enough to carry the system at launch but not big enough to overwhelm all the other titles. They should leave Mario as an ace in the hole or for a killer holiday at their leisure.
Monster Games recently hired a character animator, so their next game is probably character driven. Not that this completely rules out Excite, but it opens up some possibilities.
Monster Games recently hired a character animator, so their next game is probably character driven. Not that this completely rules out Excite, but it opens up some possibilities.
And I still don't think that Nintendo should put a Mario at launch. It'll cannibalise sales off Pikmin 3 or other Nintendo IPs launching with it. Also, if 3rd party games sell badly at launch, they'll say Nintendo is 'competing' against them again or similar BS.
Oh yeah, forgot about Metroid
But who's going to make it?
A complete reboot to wipe out the memories of M:OM could work.
While IBM's edram is still "DRAM" with all corresponding drawbacks, in big-enough configurations it provides random-access latencies very comparable to SRAM's random access. With the increase of addressable memory IBM's edram catches up and eventually takes the lead in latencies, thanks to significant savings in the "wiring" stage. From what I recall reading in papers, at 8MB IBM's tech is already on par or at a minor lead WRT cumulative latency. And eDRAM has much better density than SRAM, so you can put much more eDRAM on the same silicon area (~3x). You'd still use SRAM for on-chip closely-coupled buffers, register files and such, though, where that tech has no alternatives.That was my understanding, so far as it went. They pretend to be SRAM in that they provide access to memory in arbitrary time rather than in sync with update cycles, and thus provide predictable maximums on latency, so the rest of the logic doesn't need to be altered.
lol, we've discussed launch titles in this thread for at least a few times.
Mario Kart team was just finished with 7 on 3DS so that'll be a while. Smash, as you said, just started dev. Zelda is a long way too, since they just finished Skyward Sword. 2D NSMB could be at launch as NSMB Mii but there's also a 2D NSMB announced for 3DS so who knows what'll happen (cross platform?). Monster Games is probably going to do some kind of Excite game. Pikmin 3 might be launch. Wii U Sports is probably going to be launch too.
And I still don't think that Nintendo should put a Mario at launch. It'll cannibalise sales off Pikmin 3 or other Nintendo IPs launching with it. Also, if 3rd party games sell badly at launch, they'll say Nintendo is 'competing' against them again or similar BS.
Of course, as seen with the 3DS, they can't launch with just Pikmin 3 or other not well known IPs. They'd best be served by releasing something like Warioware or Donkey Kong; something famous enough to carry the system at launch but not big enough to overwhelm all the other titles. They should leave Mario as an ace in the hole or for a killer holiday at their leisure.
oh sure! but they were still able to substain themeselves...
nintendo doing bad > sony doing bad...
vita proves this point.
what nintendo really needs is 3rd party support, 1st party will be awesome, no one will argue about that =D
i'm not too sure about metroid being the perfect launch title, its sales never been really noteworthy
I disagree completely.
The absolute first thing you want is a large userbase. A 2D Mario has proven to be a system-seller on every system. I think New Super Mario Bros. Mii NEEDS to be a launch title and then Nintendo will have a giant userbase.
but still they don't have to overshadow 3rd parties... i think a middle ground must be founded for launch titles... they can hold SMBM for the 3rd month, and that would mean release the game in time for xmas if they actually release the console in september.
I disagree completely.
The absolute first thing you want is a large userbase. A 2D Mario has proven to be a system-seller on every system. I think New Super Mario Bros. Mii NEEDS to be a launch title and then Nintendo will have a giant userbase.
Sorry, but Pikmin/Metroid/Excite aren't system-sellers. Nintendo needs these things in the hands of consumers ASAP because they have no clue when Sony/MS are releasing their new systems.
Of course, as seen with the 3DS, they can't launch with just Pikmin 3 or other not well known IPs. They'd best be served by releasing something like Warioware or Donkey Kong; something famous enough to carry the system at launch but not big enough to overwhelm all the other titles. They should leave Mario as an ace in the hole or for a killer holiday at their leisure.
I'd be interested to see what Monster could do with Wave Race. Excite Truck, ExciteBOTs, and Excite Bike World Rally we are very solid, fun racing titles. I'd like to see what they can do with another type of racing. F-Zero, maybe?
A "middle ground" could be that Nintendo releases the Mario game as their only first-party title and subsequently offers Pikmin/Metroid/etc in the following months.
That's not "overshadowing" 3rd parties at all.
That's a job for a ragdoll system, not really something that requires a dedicated character animator. Especially not someone with a movie industry background.Return to Excitebike, perhaps? 'Character' could be referring to the visible riders of the bikes. With all of the crashes/moves/etc, there are a ton of things to deal with.
I'd welcome a return to Excitebike with open arms.
that would probably help, but even Prime sales were not spectacular... iirc they were about 1/1.5 WW
What do you think?
That's a job for a ragdoll system, not really something that requires a dedicated character animator. Especially not someone with a movie industry background.
Help out a troubled brain here.
If laptop manufacturers can sell products for 500 bucks or less, without the "luxuary" to be able to take a loss, and a not too marginal portion of the manufacturing cost goes to a screen, battery and HDD, which are also taking up space and creating heat. Yet for this price you can generally find a laptop with a i3-i5 and 4 GB of RAM, and a dedicated (though low end) GPU with a licensed Windows OS. Then how is it impossible for Nintendo to make something fit into a case that isn't tinier than an average laptop, has no space taken up by HDD or battery (hence less heat & costs as well), being able to take a loss on hardware?
I understand that these hardware components can't be compared directly, but at least on the subject of heat, why wouldn't it be possible to keep a WiiU cool if it's only twice as potent as 7 year old tech?
It's most likely still a racing game, just something with a bigger focus on characters. Maybe F-Zero. If they're even still working with Nintendo, that is.Hmmm...what else could Excite be doing, then? It would seem odd for them to move to a character-driven game.