WILL switch 2 GAMES outperform pc handhelds??

better GAMES performence theeeeen

  • Steam Deck LCD (256GB) $399.00

  • Steam Deck OLED (512GB): $549.00

  • GPD WIN 4 2025 $980.95

  • MSI Claw 8 AI+ $899

  • will outperform ALL OF THEM in MANY games because custom dlss and chip annnnnd OPTERMIZED

  • wont outperform nothing its crud fatso


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comparing switch to 40 pound consoles oohoohooohooo how bouts handhelds?

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I'll be curious to see the Switch 2's life cycle as developers get more comfortable with the hardware. This really does feel like a system that's going to be able to punch well above it's weight, even into the future.
 
Current ones? It should. Switch 2 has the advantage of launching as the other handhelds are aging. Once the next generation lineup launches I would expect they will pull ahead.
 
It will depend on the games sales no?

If sales aren't as good as publishers expect, they allocate less resources for the switch port of the next game.
 
I'm not sure about the super expensive ones. But it's likely going to significantly outperform anything that isn't at least twice the price.
It's the advantage of DLSS and console games usually being more optimized with a more streamlined OS and all games being specifically made for the hardware while PC handhelds have to rely on the standard PC version...which is both a pro and a con.
 
Sales? Of course. Gaming performance? Remains to be seen, but you need a better list on the PC side either way
 
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Deck has a bigger library, lower prices for games, free internet gaming and you can scale the game as you want (more details less framerate or the opposite) and all the advantages that pc has over consoles (controllers choice etc.)

I don't see any advantage for sw2 other than being more powerfull, and i'm sure steam and asus are gonna release their next projects and erase this advantage aswell.

It is gonna sell gazzillions more because you need a sw2 to play nintendo games so there is that.
 
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Deck has a bigger library, lower prices for games, free internet gaming and you can scale the game as you want (more details less framerate or the opposite).

I don't see any advantage for sw2 other than being more powerfull, and i'm sire steam and asus are gonna release their next projects and erase tjis advantage aswell.
Deck dosn't have Mario Kart. You lose.
 
I think it will outperform all current handheld PCs in docked mode

But I think Switch 2 TDP is too low in handheld mode to compete with 780M and 890M handhelds running at 25W+ TDP
 
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Based on what little we've seen it seems to outperform the Steam Deck LCD/OLED, but I think Valve will release a new model in the somewhat near future as soon as Gabe thinks there's been a "generational leap".

I don't know anything about those other ones. I'm guessing they're either more powerful or jut absurdly high priced.
 
it will easily outperform the Steam Deck,
but won't outperform the Ally X and similarly spec handhelds in handheld mode.

it will outperform them all in docked mode
 
Deck dosn't have Mario Kart. You lose.
He kind of addressed that with his last sentence. However, I would contend Cyberpunk already looks better on Switch 2 than on the Steam Deck. I'm hoping Silent Hill 2 comes over. I played that on the deck, but never beat it.
 
He kind of addressed that with his last sentence. However, I would contend Cyberpunk already looks better on Switch 2 than on the Steam Deck. I'm hoping Silent Hill 2 comes over. I played that on the deck, but never beat it.
I'm waiting to see the DLSS in action. It's very possible the Switch 2 in docked mode will outperform every other PC handheld available. Handheld mode might actually perform worse in every metric, including visuals.
 
If you only play newly released ports/games, sure. for everything else switch 2 will be stuck with switch 1 versions. meanwhile on pc handhelds you can grab any game you want and fully utilize your hardware
 
As of now all the comparisons I've seen show the Switch 2 outperformin SD and Rog Ally, those machines are more expensive but because they're way too inefficient IMO, like you'd do way more with 12GB of RAM on Switch 2 than on with 16GB on Steam Deck.

And I know this is because console optimization and whatnot, but what surprises me is that this difference isn't being shown on PC vs PS5/XSX, where they perform roughly between 6600XT and 6700 which isn't far from their actual specs compared to those cards, Switch 2 looks weaker on paper in some aspects but games look way better than on portable PC, specially CP2077 that looks awful in all the footage I've seen from the SD.
 
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Deck has a bigger library, lower prices for games, free internet gaming and you can scale the game as you want (more details less framerate or the opposite) and all the advantages that pc has over consoles (controllers choice etc.)

I don't see any advantage for sw2 other than being more powerfull, and i'm sure steam and asus are gonna release their next projects and erase this advantage aswell.

It is gonna sell gazzillions more because you need a sw2 to play nintendo games so there is that.
Nintendo games running natively are enough of an advantage to me... Not to mention I'll play 100% on the TV and IQ wise it's finally reaching decency compared to Switch 1
 
Hogwarts Legacy will be a good test of Switch 2's performance. It looks to run at somewhere between the PS4 Pro and PS5 versions.
 
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Based on what has shown so far from Cyberpunk, Hogwarts, and Street Fighter, it will trade blows with the Steam Deck in portable mode.
 
Didn't the hardware leak yesterday say the Steam Deck is better than the Switch 2 in portable mode?
That was a rough comparison… We still don't know, but looking at Cyberpunk on Switch 2 results is fair to say that the SW2 is clearly above the Steamdeck even in handheld mode.
 
I guess it depends on how much heavy lifting baked in hardware features like DLSS and ray tracing can do. Being a fixed platform does offer the advantages of optimizing for a fixed platform with less OS overhead as compared to the PC handheld.


Any other advantages over something like a Steam Deck would be shortlived when the 2nd gen of that device comes out, let alone stuff like ROG Ally/ Legion Go which AFAIK already has better raw performance and the next gen of those systems will be out at some point. And of course the Xbox handheld will be out in 2 years( the in-house version, not the Xbox branded ROG ally one).
 
ps4 pro is 4 t flops. You think the switch 2 while docked at 20watts in that tiny tablet is gona outperform the gpu grunt of the pro. Your in for a rude awakening
I was talking about Hogwarts Legacy, which will run at a higher resolution on Switch 2 than PS4 Pro.

That won't be the case on every game of course.
 
There are people who simulated the Switch APU after disassembled units surfaced and its performance is near a underclocked RTX 2050, beating the SteamDeck APU easily. And thats only raw hardware power, not talking about optimized software nor better tech like DLSS...
 
No PC handheld will allow devs to code close to the metal, even if they could, the main platform would still continue to be the mainstream PC, let alone the secret sauce (Nvidia tech) that only Nintendo will have.
 
The next deck will laugh at the Switch 2. Switch 2 HW is already obsolete if it wasn't for DLSS, and that doesn't make up for it's laughable CPU which will bottleneck it massively in the upcoming years.
 
Outsell some of them yes ........but outperform? No and if somehow a few games do outperform PC handheld versions it's because of poor optimization.
 
Current ones? It should.
Some current handhelds trade blows with Series S performance. And they can considerably outperform it in CPU heavy games.
There's also a fair chance 25 hardware will get FSR4 (AI grunt is comparable to switch).

The main weakness of pc hw is memory bandwidth, and while Switch on paper isn't better off, consoles can have specific optimisations on memory subsystem that don't apply to PC. This 'could' be a differentiator that allows switch to pull ahead, but we just don't have info on it yet.

Also this is all assuming somewhat comparable TDP, handhelds that run at 30+ W will compete with switch 2 docked mode, not handheld.
 
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I was talking about Hogwarts Legacy, which will run at a higher resolution on Switch 2 than PS4 Pro.

That won't be the case on every game of course.
THIS FUGGIN' GAME! I'm probably going to pick up the key card for this. It's a launch title, and I'm weak lol. Plus, what I've played of it has been genuinely fun.
 
There are people who simulated the Switch APU after disassembled units surfaced and its performance is near a underclocked RTX 2050, beating the SteamDeck APU easily. And thats only raw hardware power, not talking about optimized software nor better tech like DLSS...
you must turn graphics off to run cyberpunk on steamdeck
 
Yes it's currently the best specced handheld (runs games at higher res and better framerates). But it wont be for long.
 
Will outperform all Steam Decks for sure because the HW is simply more capable (w/o even taking in DLSS into the equation), in both modes.

But not sure about other new ones like the new ROG Ally models or the Legion Go models with the AMD Z1 Extreme SOC's which have plenty of juice in them to run modern games at med/high (or sometimes even higher) without breaking a sweat.

DLSS might be helpful, but nothing beats native play, let alone latency. Will have to wait and see.
 
Mostly, yes, most likely.

Mainly because of Nintendo games, their dedication to understanding their hardware, and on Switch 1 there are several what I call "golden ports" that run far, far better than they should, ie Portal Companion Collection.

There is an infrastructure there for Switch 2 that the others will not have, which gives them an advantage. Only lack of superior hardware specs holds back Switch 2 and actually the console was a lot more powerful than most people thought at the end of the day, if you watched people's expectations vs what they gave us, the power of the Switch 2 has never been an issue for the realistic.

So based on the performance of Switch 1, I'm gonna say there will likely be some amazing looking games on the thing by the end of the gen. One or two games will seem almost impossible they are being played on it when looking at the graphics or the AI or the physics, and that is just exactly like Switch 1.
 
I can't see the Switch 2 outperforming something like an ROG Ally Z1 Extreme/Ally X, nor a Legion Go, especially when both are plugged in/docked. Those are handhelds that can play modern UE5 games rather well, as well as other heavy current gen only titles. Then again… I don't think most people buying the Switch 2 give a damn about paper metrics and horsepower; they'll be buying it to play Mario Kart and Donkey Kong for $80-$90 (pain).

The Switch 2 has awesome hardware, for sure though.
 
I can't see the Switch 2 outperforming something like an ROG Ally Z1 Extreme/Ally X, nor a Legion Go, especially when both are plugged in/docked. Those are handhelds that can play modern UE5 games rather well, as well as other heavy current gen only titles. Then again… I don't think most people buying the Switch 2 give a damn about paper metrics and horsepower; they'll be buying it to play Mario Kart and Donkey Kong for $80-$90 (pain).

The Switch 2 has awesome hardware, for sure though.
Yeah, some here are setting themselves up for disappointment for 3rd party ports. The MSI Claw 8+ for instance runs Cyberpunk at high and 1200p with XeSS Quality. Street Fighter 6 at native 1080p at 60fps. It's more powerful than the Switch 2 is docked. But is double the price of course.
 
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I'm waiting to see the DLSS in action. It's very possible the Switch 2 in docked mode will outperform every other PC handheld available. Handheld mode might actually perform worse in every metric, including visuals.

But then again, PC handhelds in their 'docked' mode can utilise an eGPU.
 
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