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As someone who's eternally amused by the Star Dreck vs Star Trash rivalry, this revelation makes me giddy.

Edit: I actually enjoy both series (for what they are, and to an extent). Just wanted to use the names I've seen often used to deride them.

Star Blecch!

 

[CloudyTuba]

He's not wrong and this isn't a big revelation. Star Wars spawned and revived a lot of interest in scifi. Both franchises have influenced the genre and each other in major ways.

Star Wars didn't create Trek but it certainly gave it a jumpstart in a time when it wasnt doing so well. It very well could have faded away.

 

[dragonyeuw]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture was very directly put into production as a response to the popularity of Star Wars in 1977. TMP made the brand relevant in the mainstream again, rather than just something for a (relatively) small group of fans. Shatner isn't wrong.

So as I said in my latter point, made the brand relevant. Star Trek did 'exist' before Star Wars.

 

[Frankie Williamson]

Sulu is from San Fransico.
And Checkov was introduced as that foreigner in the second season.

Stuff like the USS prefix had all their base from an American centric image from the future

Uhura's African.

 

[DorkLord54]

I've enjoyed only a handful of the Star Trek movies, for me the franchise at its core is what is done on television. Any ways, I've also never understood the fandom rivalry between the two, they are very different franchises with different appeals, they only share a common theme of space and spaceships. It's sort of like if there was a Game of Thrones vs The Lord of the Rings fandom rivalry or something.

I feel like it's more like the TES vs. Souls rivalry: they share a medieval setting and basic fantasy tropes, but otherwise are largely dissimilar in terms of gameplay, story, tone, and themes.

 

[Octavianus]

Stargate > Star Trek/Wars anyway

I mean, I like Stargate but...

 

[disappeared]

Why does it have to be one or the other?

Can I love Star Wars? Can I fucking own my Boba Fett doll?

Can't I still love Star Trek?

"You want the impossible."

 

[Himynameischris]

As a fan of only Star Trek (Never got into the Star Wars movies, though I loved KOTOR), I want to thank Star Wars and its fans.

 

[Kathian]

Well yeah but who resurrected it better, the way Star Wars resurrected Star Trek TOS movies, or the way Star Trek 2007 did Star Wars ep 7? Tell me that huh.

TNG

 

[Jackpot]

This has been well-known for decades. Like literally since they uncancelled it. Old execs have been very open in the countless documentaries that after Star Wars they went "what else has Star in it?" and gave Trek a reprieve. Then Phase 2 got turned into a film. Website fishing for clicks.

 

[Boem]

Well yeah but who resurrected it better, the way Star Wars resurrected Star Trek TOS movies, or the way Star Trek 2007 did Star Wars ep 7? Tell me that huh.

I'm fairly certain Star Wars would have come back anyway, even if the new Star Trek movies didn't happen. Star Wars was still making tons of money through it's tv stuff, games and merchandising. The Disney deal was rumored and negotiated for years before Star Trek '07 happened.

Might not have been JJ Abrams doing it though, if it wasn't for him doing Trek before it.

 

[Sojgat]

Stargate > Star Trek/Wars anyway

 

[Lee Chaolan]

Generations was kinda 'meh', wasn't it?

First ST movie I saw in the theaters though after watching all of TNG.

William Shatner is awesome though

 

[nekkid]

Man, what I wouldn't give for a big budget TNG reunion movie.

 

[Blade30]

I've enjoyed only a handful of the Star Trek movies, for me the franchise at its core is what is done on television. Any ways, I've also never understood the fandom rivalry between the two, they are very different franchises with different appeals, they only share a common theme of space and spaceships. It's sort of like if there was a Game of Thrones vs The Lord of the Rings fandom rivalry or something.

I agree, as for the comparison I don't think there would be that much comparison talks if one didn't have "Star" in it's Title. I love both.

 

[NobleGundam]

Shatner hated Star Trek.

 

[Enosh]

Stargate > Star Trek/Wars anyway

indeed

Spoiler

40k > all three

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

Without Star Trek science fiction wouldn't have been originally popularised as mass entertainment that made Star Wars viable. Without Star Wars we wouldn't have seen a resurgence in science fiction that allowed Star Trek to come back.

Hell, without the Star Trek reboot I don't think Disney would have aggressively sought out the idea of rebooting Star Wars.

They need each other to survive.

 

[Bluth54]

Without Star Trek science fiction wouldn't have been originally popularised as mass entertainment that made Star Wars viable. Without Star Wars we wouldn't have seen a resurgence in science fiction that allowed Star Trek to come back.

Hell, without the Star Trek reboot I don't think Disney would have aggressively sought out the idea of rebooting Star Wars.

They need each other to survive.

I would agree with you about everything but Disney needing to see the success of the Star Trek reboot to do Star Wars, even if the Star Trek reboot series never existed I have no doubt they would of still bought the Star Wars franchise and made movies.

 

[Monocle]

The bolded is why Star Trek is underperforming in theatres now.

Beyond is a return to form though, but god knows how people would realize that with the vapid marketing.

 

[Langdon Alger]

I hope the upcoming Star Trek TV show is like TNG and nothing like the movies.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

I hope the upcoming Star Trek TV show is like TNG and nothing like the movies.

We'll find out more tonight

 

[Aztechnology]

indeed

Spoiler

40k > all three

It's true. Too bad they always always focus entirely on Space Marines. The extended universe is pretty great. They should make a game about being a rogue trader instead.

 

[MrCunningham]

Maybe he meant that Star Trek would not have continued without the popularity of Star Wars?

I mean, Star Trek was having a hard time getting off the ground with Phase II. But the popularity of Star Wars put Paramount in a position to to take a shot at the Motion Picture. Which lead to many more sequels, spin off TV shows and a rebooted movie franchise. Though it is interesting to note that the 1979 Motion Picture was mostly inspired by Space Odyssey 2001. Though the second movie took more of a Star Wars approach with Wrath of Khan, and ILM even did the effects for it.

Star Trek's fandom after its cancellation and through the '70s was sort of the prototype for modern fandoms.

But no, you can't carry a franchise on fanboys alone. (Which is something everyone who screeches "But what about my CHILDHOOD?" needs to learn.)

Star Trek conventions were Comic-Con before Comic-Con was cool. Just about everything that you can think of that came out of Star Trek conventions got assimilated into modern fandom culture. Cos play, panels, cast and crew signings/ ask me anythings, and so on. The fan base did keep Star Trek alive in the 1970's, but Star Wars made it a viable option again.

 

[Sapiens]

He's right. And these 3 films have been taking that literally.

 

[FyreWulff]

Why the hell wasn't Shatner in the 50th anniversary movie (Beyond) anyway? Good god that sounds like a marketing masterpiece

Anyway the man's mostly right. Plus we wouldn't have gotten Galaxy Quest.

Pretty sure the idea of Shatner coming back for the reboot was floated, he's just too difficult to work with and wouldn't do a relatively small number of scenes like Nimoy did.

 

[Night Hunter]

I hope the upcoming Star Trek TV show is like DS9 and nothing like the movies.

fixed

 

[tanooki27]

The shat is making sense

 

[munchie64]

I hope the upcoming Star Trek TV show is like TNG and nothing like the movies.

I hope it's more its own thing, much like TNG was when it came out.

 

[Blade30]

We'll find out more tonight

Wait, what is happening tonight?

 

[EGM1966]

No lies detected. I like 'em both and I like Trek to be about characters and ideas.