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[phyrlord]

Using the RTM build (10240) right now that was released to people in the program and it feels pretty solid. Edge seems to have received a pretty big update and it doesn't seem to be using as much memory as it was.

Perfect

 

[f0lken]

Is there a way to make OneDrive behavior like it was on 8.1??? Like you could see all your files and then choose individually which ones do you want offline, on my desktop I don't mind it, but I have limited space on my Surface and can't keep in sync whole folders just to have access to a single file at determined times.

 

[Nostremitus]

So... I've got an interesting issue. I just restored Windows 10 in order to see if a "fresh" install would help with an audio issue that cropped up three builds ago. I backed up my data onto my storage drive and disconnected it during the restore process. After the restore, windows will not register that the storage drive exists. It doesn't even show up in disk management even though I can still boot to the linux partition on that drive through BIOS.

The drive works perfectly, but Windows refuses to see it.

Any ideas?


edit: Ok, played with BIOS, reorganized boot sequence, reverted back to original boot sequence, and now it's reading the drive but my internet isnt working. Ethernet or Wifi. All of my other devices are connected to the router and are working fine, Im typing this on the Wii U gamepad. This is starting to get frustrating.

edit2: Now typing in the search bar doesn't do anything and the start menu flickers and then just goes away when i click on the start button. Something has definitely happened somewhere in the OS.

Any ideas outside of a fresh reinstall of 8.1?

10240 btw

 

[Rich!]

Was playing dark souls just now. Almost beat Sanctuary Guardian

And suddenly, "WINDOWS IS RESTARTING"

what the fuck? I had it set to midnight for the fast updates for a reason, fuck

 

[Ade]

Is there a way to make OneDrive behavior like it was on 8.1??? Like you could see all your files and then choose individually which ones do you want offline, on my desktop I don't mind it, but I have limited space on my Surface and can't keep in sync whole folders just to have access to a single file at determined times.

Not currently, and not at release, no

 

[glaurung]

Was playing dark souls just now. Almost beat Sanctuary Guardian

And suddenly, "WINDOWS IS RESTARTING"

what the fuck? I had it set to midnight for the fast updates for a reason, fuck

Even with Windows 8.1 and updates configured to "Let me choose when it happens" they give you a couple of prompts and then reboot your device anyway. I sometimes get angry at this at work, but luckily IntelliJ IDEA saves everything all the time anyway.

More on topic: are the insider preview runners going to get a valid key now or not? And when yes, can I perform a fresh install on my main rig with the final ISO?

 

[Rich!]

wait

the "preview build" notice on the bottom right of my desktop is now gone. Have I now got the release version then?

 

[glaurung]

wait

the "preview build" notice on the bottom right of my desktop is now gone. Have I now got the release version then?

Not sure. Someone said that the watermark was removed because they are now releasing via the official channel, no longer using preview servers/processes.

Someone also wrote on Neowin that the final RTM build should be 10400.

 

[Firestar]

I have a feeling maybe we did get switched to RTM early? Windows does say it's activated and no mention of insider preview build anymore. Also had to go through the update procedure before boot again.

 

[Knight77]

For what I'm reading on the net looks like that until 29th you can only update to W10 and not perform a clean install. Really ?!?

 

[KingSnake]

So, my version updated last night and now there is no watermark and it really seemed like it installed the RTM version. It had also activation pending. I didn't have time to check this morning before going to work though.

 

[Windu]

For what I'm reading on the net looks like that until 29th you can only update to W10 and not perform a clean install. Really ?!?

update and then create install media for your windows 10 install.

Updating is not like in the XP days. No much of a need to clean install these days.

 

[glaurung]

Updating is not like in the XP days. No much of a need to clean install these days.

Every Windows upgrade generates so much shit on a hard drive. Not just WINDOWS.OLD stuff, but also hidden previous version backups and so on.

I simply don't trust the idea of having all that shit on my drives. While it might not bloat the system file size to an amount that becomes a performance hit, it does affect paging and indexing - both of which are still important.

All this time I can live with upgrading Mac OS. With Windows? I just don't trust it.

 

[M3d10n]

Every Windows upgrade generates so much shit on a hard drive. Not just WINDOWS.OLD stuff, but also hidden previous version backups and so on.

I simply don't trust the idea of having all that shit on my drives. While it might not bloat the system file size to an amount that becomes a performance hit, it does affect paging and indexing - both of which are still important.

All this time I can live with upgrading Mac OS. With Windows? I just don't trust it.

You can get rid of it using the disk cleanup. Windows.old is needed if you want to be able to rollback.

Also, how can it affect indexing? Indexing only scans specific folders, it doesn't scan the whole drive indiscriminately. It sounds like misinformation.

This whole upgrade bloat is old wives tales. My Windows install was updated from 7 to 8, to 8.1 then to 10 TP (where each new build counts as an upgrade) and my system is as snappy as ever.

 

[KingSnake]

I really like the way Windows 10 installs the new version, finally the OS updating process is now up to par on PC.

The only thing that pisses me off is that it always resets my DSR settings in the Nvidia Control Panel and the disabled WiFi (I have 2).

 

[Conkerkid11]

Guess I'm updating 10240 now.

 

[glaurung]

This whole upgrade bloat is old wives tales.

I wish I could take your word for it. But I've been running Windows since 95 and it will take some real convincing to change my mind. Preferably from a MS developer.

 

[Mareg]

There is something I don't understand.

I'm an MSDN subscriber and a Microsoft insider. I can't seem to find the 10240 build that everyone is raving about.

When I log to my insider account, the "get started" button is grayed out.
For MSDN, the last build that was released is the 10074.

 

[Yaska]

There is something I don't understand.

I'm an MSDN subscriber and a Microsoft insider. I can't seem to find the 10240 build that everyone is raving about.

When I log to my insider account, the "get started" button is grayed out.
For MSDN, the last build that was released is the 10074.

I don't think they will release that build as a ISO yet. Instead you need to upgrade from an older build through TH1 update branch (correct me if I'm wrong).

 

[CornDogg]

There is something I don't understand.

I'm an MSDN subscriber and a Microsoft insider. I can't seem to find the 10240 build that everyone is raving about.

When I log to my insider account, the "get started" button is grayed out.
For MSDN, the last build that was released is the 10074.

I believe you'll have to upgrade. They want people to test out their upgrade process, so they're not releasing ISOs for RTM (yet?).

 

[Random17]

I just installed my second monitor (VGA via integrated graphics looks awful compared to HDMI on my GPU).

I like how the windows can snap between monitors, but is there anyway I can setup a virtual desktop on each individual monitor?

 

[Tunin]

Incredibly solid build, I'm very satisfied with what they've created.
Also, I can't wait to see DX12 in action.

 

[megarockexe]

This whole upgrade bloat is old wives tales. My Windows install was updated from 7 to 8, to 8.1 then to 10 TP (where each new build counts as an upgrade) and my system is as snappy as ever.

Well, I've gone from 7 to 8 to 8.1 and 8.1 again and I just managed to create an unbearable mess. I still don't trust my last reinstall is any good because of how I set up all my other drives.

 

[Gumbie]

I really like the way Windows 10 installs the new version, finally the OS updating process is now up to par on PC.

The only thing that pisses me off is that it always resets my DSR settings in the Nvidia Control Panel and the disabled WiFi (I have 2).

DSR settings get reset every time you update the nvidia drivers.

 

[dLMN8R]

Every Windows upgrade generates so much shit on a hard drive. Not just WINDOWS.OLD stuff, but also hidden previous version backups and so on.

I simply don't trust the idea of having all that shit on my drives. While it might not bloat the system file size to an amount that becomes a performance hit, it does affect paging and indexing - both of which are still important.

All this time I can live with upgrading Mac OS. With Windows? I just don't trust it.

Windows.old is what enables you to roll back to a previous build if you want. Or if you're upgrading from win7/win8.1 it allows you to roll back to that previous OS.

It's cleaned up after a month if you don't need it, otherwise you can clean it up earlier using the disk cleanup utility.

It's not "bloat", it's a safety net. And it happens to be by far the most important safety net that customers asked for when it comes to having confidence to convince them to upgrade to Windows 10.


The rest of the stuff you mentioned is just total nonsense though. There's no "hidden previous version backups" and it doesn't affect paging / indexing.

When you do an upgrade, you're always getting a completely clean install of the OS - and then your apps / settings / etc. are migrated on top of that clean install. There's none of this mystical cruft left behind that some people seem to think is always there.

 

[Nostremitus]

Ok, I've pretty much got everything ironed out after my issues last night with the exception of the audio issue.
Sound works through my speaker out and headphone jack, but I can't get anything through DisplayPort to my monitor's speakers.

Checking the events log for my audio device shows me this...

Any idea what this is and how to install the rest? This only started 3 builds ago.

 

[Dicer]

Windows.old is what enables you to roll back to a previous build if you want. Or if you're upgrading from win7/win8.1 it allows you to roll back to that previous OS.

It's cleaned up after a month if you don't need it, otherwise you can clean it up earlier using the disk cleanup utility.

It's not "bloat", it's a safety net. And it happens to be by far the most important safety net that customers asked for when it comes to having confidence to convince them to upgrade to Windows 10.


The rest of the stuff you mentioned is just total nonsense though. There's no "hidden previous version backups" and it doesn't affect paging / indexing.

When you do an upgrade, you're always getting a completely clean install of the OS - and then your apps / settings / etc. are migrated on top of that clean install. There's none of this mystical cruft left behind that some people seem to think is always there.

Regardless of opinions or fact, the truth of the matter is, a fresh install is always the best...

That said I'm STILL going to let 8.1 upgrade and test my luck, if it runs like bantha poo-doo I'll do a fresh install...

 

[Bloodsent]

So will upgrading my 8.1 install with the RTM over the top now be essentially the same thing as if I were to wait until the 29th to get it pushed via the update program?

 

[epmode]

Ever since updating to the latest Windows 10 preview build, my ethernet has gone out twice. My computer stops picking up an IP address from my router. Plugging directly in to my cable modem doesn't help either. I've tested with multiple ethernet cords. Checking the network settings shows that it never stops "Identifying".

This has literally never happened before updating to Windows 10.

The problem resolves itself once I reboot.

Has anyone else run into this?

 

[Dead Prince]

Ever since updating to the latest Windows 10 preview build, my ethernet has gone out twice. My computer stops picking up an IP address from my router. Plugging directly in to my cable modem doesn't help either. I've tested with multiple ethernet cords. Checking the network settings shows that it never stops "Identifying".

This has literally never happened before updating to Windows 10.

The problem resolves itself once I reboot.

Has anyone else run into this?

no but my wifi was super crappy when i went to W10. so i always chose wired. i wonder if it works now as it's suppose to lol

 

[clav]

So will upgrading my 8.1 install with the RTM over the top now be essentially the same thing as if I were to wait until the 29th to get it pushed via the update program?

No confirmation on RTM yet.

Just wait.

There are still some last minute fixes being pushed out.

Ever since updating to the latest Windows 10 preview build, my ethernet has gone out twice. My computer stops picking up an IP address from my router. Plugging directly in to my cable modem doesn't help either. I've tested with multiple ethernet cords. Checking the network settings shows that it never stops "Identifying".

This has literally never happened before updating to Windows 10.

The problem resolves itself once I reboot.

Has anyone else run into this?

no but my wifi was super crappy when i went to W10. so i always chose wired. i wonder if it works now as it's suppose to lol

I noticed in the beta build releases that 10 had issues with the network stack. At some points, users couldn't even use the traditional GUI to edit things in ncpa.cpl.

Something is different in 10.

Did you install any firewall software?

 

[Vanillalite]

Thought about jumping the gun, but I'm gonna wait on everything for everyone I know that wants this.

Here's to hoping a few last minute bug fixes get thrown in.

 

[Dead Prince]

No confirmation on RTM yet.

Just wait.

There are still some last minute fixes being pushed out.





I noticed in the beta build releases that 10 had issues with the network stack. At some points, users couldn't even use the traditional GUI to edit things in ncpa.cpl.

Something is different in 10.

Did you install any firewall software?

nope. just turned on the built in firewall

 

[epmode]

I noticed in the beta build releases that 10 had issues with the network stack. At some points, users couldn't even use the traditional GUI to edit things in ncpa.cpl.

Something is different in 10.

Did you install any firewall software?

I'm using the built-in Windows firewall. Didn't change any network settings since installing 10, didn't change my antivirus/firewall setup.

 

[Frostburn]

Ever since updating to the latest Windows 10 preview build, my ethernet has gone out twice. My computer stops picking up an IP address from my router. Plugging directly in to my cable modem doesn't help either. I've tested with multiple ethernet cords. Checking the network settings shows that it never stops "Identifying".

This has literally never happened before updating to Windows 10.

The problem resolves itself once I reboot.

Has anyone else run into this?

I'm getting this too. Only the latest build (non water mark 10240) has been doing the exact thing you describe above for me.

 

[Bloodsent]

No confirmation on RTM yet.

Just wait.

There are still some last minute fixes being pushed out.

Ok, thanks. Assuming the 10240 isn't the RTM, when the RTM is announced, same question though.

 

[epmode]

I'm getting this too. Only the latest build (non water mark 10240) has been doing the exact thing you describe above for me.

Hooray! I was worried that my motherboard was acting up.

 

[Nostremitus]

Ever since updating to the latest Windows 10 preview build, my ethernet has gone out twice. My computer stops picking up an IP address from my router. Plugging directly in to my cable modem doesn't help either. I've tested with multiple ethernet cords. Checking the network settings shows that it never stops "Identifying".

This has literally never happened before updating to Windows 10.

The problem resolves itself once I reboot.

Has anyone else run into this?

I had to same issue, had to reset the windows 10 install to get network connectivity back.

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

This seems to be the most relevant place to ask about this, so:

1. Is it normal for upgrades from 7 to 10 to be slow for a while (or indefinitely)? I upgraded earlier today, I'm on an SSD->boot, HDD->storage setup, and simple stuff like trying to open the task manager can hang for a second or two. Games on my HDD take 5-10 seconds longer to open.

I'm assuming part of this is the OS trying to scrounge through my drives at the moment so that search will be faster? There's a "We're getting search ready..." note at the top of the window, and it can be very hit-or-miss at the moment, so I'm assuming that's what it is.

2. How can I fix Microsoft Edge's text? I wouldn't mind getting acquainted with it, but it's so hard to look at.

 

[reKon]

Is this actually coming 7/29? Have there been any delays mentioned?

 

[DarkFlow]

Ever since updating to the latest Windows 10 preview build, my ethernet has gone out twice. My computer stops picking up an IP address from my router. Plugging directly in to my cable modem doesn't help either. I've tested with multiple ethernet cords. Checking the network settings shows that it never stops "Identifying".

This has literally never happened before updating to Windows 10.

The problem resolves itself once I reboot.

Has anyone else run into this?

Yep, on two computers and both ethernet and wifi.

 

[Hasney]

My desktop upgrades to the RTM fine, but my laptop is on 8.1 Pro N, so I need to wait for that ESD or for July 29th.

 

[valouris]

Is there a way to upgrade to the latest build now from my reserved 8.1 or do I need a clean install/have to wait till the 29th?

 

[| Praxis |]

I'm on Windows 7 still. If I choose to not do a clean install and just have 10 installed over 7 how much space roughly is it going to need?

Running out of room on my ssd.

 

[Hasney]

Is there a way to upgrade to the latest build now from my reserved 8.1 or do I need a clean install/have to wait till the 29th?

Yeah, if you have the iso file of the RTM build, you can do it now assuming you have home, pro or enterprise 8.1

 

[M3d10n]

This seems to be the most relevant place to ask about this, so:

1. Is it normal for upgrades from 7 to 10 to be slow for a while (or indefinitely)? I upgraded earlier today, I'm on an SSD->boot, HDD->storage setup, and simple stuff like trying to open the task manager can hang for a second or two. Games on my HDD take 5-10 seconds longer to open.

I'm assuming part of this is the OS trying to scrounge through my drives at the moment so that search will be faster? There's a "We're getting search ready..." note at the top of the window, and it can be very hit-or-miss at the moment, so I'm assuming that's what it is.

2. How can I fix Microsoft Edge's text? I wouldn't mind getting acquainted with it, but it's so hard to look at.

In my experience there is some "warming up" process during first use. It's a combination of your user account files being indexed, .NET binaries being compiled for the first time and some apps finishing installing. Run the resource monitor (resmon.exe) to get a detailed view of hard drive activity.

Leaving the PC on and unattended for some time is the best way to get it to finish whatever it needs to do.

 

[valouris]

Yeah, if you have the iso file of the RTM build, you can do it now assuming you have home, pro or enterprise 8.1

Is there a legit way to get the iso?

 

[mcrommert]

Is there a legit way to get the iso?

Legit in that it is a real iso...not from Microsoft though...

These iso's have been made through the esds from the insider updates

 

[valouris]

Legit in that it is a real iso...not from Microsoft though...

These iso's have been made through the esds from the insider updates

Yeah Microsoft no longer lets you download them. I don't really trust any iso if it's not from an official source..or at least not p2p

 

[King Gilga]

What's the best windows 8 to get to get upgraded to the best windows 10?