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Android is far better on tablets then windows 8.

lol, you should be the last person accusing anyone of fanboyism or being a corporate shill.

Design is fairly simple. If after 10 minutes with a `intuitive` new design savvy computer people need to watch a video to figure it out, then its badly designed.

Good design is simple: the less you look for shit and try to figure shit out, the better designed it is. This is garbage.

When you go on a new site, it takes you about 1 second to figure out what gets you where. If you have to watch a video in order to understand the site, then whoever designed the site needs to close up shop my friend. Same exact shit with this caca OS.

You don't just magically learn to multitask on iOS. You didn't magically learn to swipe down for Android notifications. You didn't magically learn that Win+D took you to the Desktop.

These are things that some people figure out, and some people don't. WHEN you do learn it or figure it out, it is VERY simple and it makes sense. Watching a 5 minute video about how to interact with a new UI which is different than what you're used to for 15+ years isn't a measure of failure.

No matter how you pussyfoot around that issue, it's moronic to insinuate that learning something for a few damn minutes means the UI is bad. That would make ALL UI bad.

 

[Totakeke]

Actually i remember seeing a lot of people sticking to XP and a lot of retail companies not putting Vista on the computers they were selling. Just because MS does something doesnt mean its great. Vista was a failure and im sure you were boasting that too. Im sure most of you in here will all just eat Win8 up, im just not so sure about everyone else in the world.

Getting defensive aren't you? But, failure in terms of what? In the end people are still using Windows. The only question is whether Windows 8 will be very successful or just not so successful, it won't convert people to other operating systems not called Windows.

Frankly I think Windows 8 will rely on the quality of the apps on the system more than anything to succeed. Like the other tablet OSes, and we all know how Android OS turned out against iOS in the tablet space in terms of adoption.

 

[Alucrid]

So when I made Chrome my default browser it went into metro mode and I absolutely hate it. How do I get it back to just a regular application?

 

[Silly.Mikey]

Windows 95 confused people too:

http://media.ch9.ms/ch9/dac9/5a953b82-586d-40a2-801c-12746230dac9/Win95Start_high.mp4
http://media.ch9.ms/ch9/4a95/8e5a19e3-d5b7-40d8-ae5a-d8e2302d4a95/Win95UsabilityTesting1993_high.mp4

Windows 8 is different. It'll be confusing. But people will learn. And once they learn a single new interface, it'll be 100% consistent across every single device they use, whether it's a tablet, desktop, or laptop.

Most importantly, it'll be consistent for what will be the most important form factor of all - devices that combine one or more of them.


The most vocal critics are also being the most myopic, ignoring the obvious future where people don't walk around with multiple devices, but a single device that can effortlessly be used in multiple different ways.

I agree with that. But you cant tell me that Windows 8 is pretty or intuitive, cause it isn't. Man, every screen i went into like the messenger app, was just just big empty spaces, 2 colors, and a little box to type. Its so simple that it looked amateurish. And the majority of their apps were like that. Just an empty unfinished look. If they hadn't put Windows on the box, i would have been sure it was a high school project or this new companies first attempt at an OS. But Microsoft? I never would have thought that.

 

[Exuro]

So when I made Chrome my default browser it went into metro mode and I absolutely hate it. How do I get it back to just a regular application?

If you're launching from Metro you'll need to remove it from being the default browser. Otherwise start it up in the desktop.

 

[dLMN8R]

I agree with that. But you cant tell me that Windows 8 is pretty or intuitive, cause it isn't. Man, every screen i went into like the messenger app, was just just big empty spaces, 2 colors, and a little box to type. Its so simple that it looked amateurish. And the majority of their apps were like that. Just an empty unfinished look. If they hadn't put Windows on the box, i would have been sure it was a high school project or this new companies first attempt at an OS. But Microsoft? I never would have thought that.

Well there's the intro video which tells you how to swipe in from the sides or go to the corners using a mouse - that little hint will cover 99% of what confuses people.

The other issues though are genuine problems which are simply a result of it being prerelease software. The in-box metro apps are still getting updated substantially to improve things like that.

 

[Alucrid]

If you're launching from Metro you'll need to remove it from being the default browser. Otherwise start it up in the desktop.

Ah okay, thanks.

 

[Silly.Mikey]

Well there's the intro video which tells you how to swipe in from the sides or go to the corners using a mouse - that little hint will cover 99% of what confuses people.

The other issues though are genuine problems which are simply a result of it being prerelease software. The in-box metro apps are still getting updated substantially to improve things like that.

You see i dont think itll change that much come release. In fact, i dont think it`ll change that much till the first service pack and to me thats too long a wait. In the end though, from what i can tell, this is Microsofts attempt at simplifying things and getting the apple crowd and imo, Win8 will attract no one from that camp.

 

[kehs]

You see i dont think itll change that much come release. In fact, i dont think it`ll change that much till the first service pack and to me thats too long a wait. In the end though, from what i can tell, this is Microsofts attempt at simplifying things and getting the apple crowd and imo, Win8 will attract no one from that camp.

They got Whitta, that's like half their revenue right there.

 

[DTKT]

Windows 95 confused people too:

http://media.ch9.ms/ch9/dac9/5a953b82-586d-40a2-801c-12746230dac9/Win95Start_high.mp4
http://media.ch9.ms/ch9/4a95/8e5a19e3-d5b7-40d8-ae5a-d8e2302d4a95/Win95UsabilityTesting1993_high.mp4

Windows 8 is different. It'll be confusing. But people will learn. And once they learn a single new interface, it'll be 100% consistent across every single device they use, whether it's a tablet, desktop, or laptop.

Most importantly, it'll be consistent for what will be the most important form factor of all - devices that combine one or more of them.


The most vocal critics are also being the most myopic, ignoring the obvious future where people don't walk around with multiple devices, but a single device that can effortlessly be used in multiple different ways.

If Metro is the future, then it's a future I don't want a part in. Beyond the obvious, one interface for multiple platforms, it's simply can't compare to start button. Then, you have issues with the different control schemes. :|

But hey, I guess it doesn't matter in the end. Gotta have that iOS crowd!

 

[Zabka]

If Metro is the future, then it's a future I don't want a part in. Beyond the obvious, one interface for multiple platforms, it's simply can't compare to start button.

But hey, I guess it doesn't matter in the end. Gotta have that iOS crowd!

What's missing from the new Start menu that means it can't compare?

 

[lunarworks]

I believe Vista had over 200,000 million users.

200 Billion users? They must have cracked the interstellar desktop market!

Windows 8 is different. It'll be confusing. But people will learn. And once they learn a single new interface, it'll be 100% consistent across every single device they use, whether it's a tablet, desktop, or laptop.

Because people are having such a gosh-darn difficult time juggling the interface differences on their desktops and iPhones.

Most importantly, it'll be consistent for what will be the most important form factor of all - devices that combine one or more of them.

The most vocal critics are also being the most myopic, ignoring the obvious future where people don't walk around with multiple devices, but a single device that can effortlessly be used in multiple different ways.

They've been talking about "single devices" for decades. Yet, here we are. We've got laptops, desktops, smartphones, digital cameras, tablets, game consoles... We have more devices than ever.

 

[Monumental]

They've been talking about "single devices" for decades. Yet, here we are. We've got laptops, desktops, smartphones, digital cameras, tablets, game consoles... We have more devices than ever.

Well now you'll have hybrid system (similar to the Surface Pro) which will replace the tablet/laptop/desktop for 99% of people, a smartphone (Windows Phone 8) that shares the same kernel as the hybrid OS that will replace the portable music video, digital camera and handheld systems, and the home console (where the next Xbox is also rumoured to be running a version of Window 8 kernel) which will replace the set-top-box and TIVO.

So 3 devices total instead of 10. All of which share the same kernel and same interface principles.

 

[Blackhead]

I still have one of these bad boys:

5" screen, full PC. I should try installing Windows 8 on it. I don't use it anymore because the battery won't hold a charge any longer so I have to use it plugged in but it has a Wacom digitizer and I got some good use out of it.

I love to see that kind of form factor again.

What?! :O what device is this? Any other tiny tabletPCs?

 

[DTKT]

What's missing from the new Start menu that means it can't compare?

I posted this a few pages back. Basically, if you remove a feature, you need to give the user a feature that has the same options. Metro simply can't perform against the start menu in terms of info presented to the user and folder architecture.

Metro is simply hiding info from me and it's driving me nuts. Here are a few examples:

1 - When searching for a file in Metro, why is it not telling me where the file is? Why no file path? Oh, I can hover my mouse over it? That's a terribly inefficient and a gigantic waste of time with several files. Why can't I right click bad get a contextual menu with all the W7 options? Why am I artificially limited in what I can do?

2 - Why can't I send an .exe directly to the desktop? No, I don't want to add it to tileset, I want it on my desktop. To do that, I would need to open the file location, right click and select "Send to desktop". Do you want me to use metro or not?

3 - Why is the search divided in 3 different types I need to cycle through? Why can't you give one unified list with separators. Sure, let me cycle through each types, but show me everything before making some arbitrary distinction.

4 - Have a "Desktop" tile by default. Tabbing between an app and Metro repeatedly is frustrating.

If anything, Metro is more restrictive than my W7 start button. That lack of freedom might be okay on a tablet, but it doesn't work on my PC. Not when I'm used to 7.

Anyway, just me ranting. The last two hours have been just me shaking my head as I brute-force my way through the interface that hates freedom.

 

[Jzero]

What?! :O what device is this? Any other tiny tabletPCs?

OQO model 2.

 

[lexi]

Microsoft have had this habit of making successive versions of windows worse at search. Search in Windows 95 was the best it's ever been, it worked, was reliable, fast, etc. From Windows XP, to Vista, to 7, I don't even use search any more. I open a command prompt and use dir /a /s, it's 100x faster and I get exactly what I want.

I'm a bit worried that Windows 8 will not suit the power user at all.

 

[Steelyuhas]

200 Billion users? They must have cracked the interstellar desktop market!

LOL

I don't know what I was thinking when I typed that. 200 million.

 

[DTKT]

Microsoft have had this habit of making successive versions of windows worse at search. Search in Windows 95 was the best it's ever been, it worked, was reliable, fast, etc. From Windows XP, to Vista, to 7, I don't even use search any more. I open a command prompt and use dir /a /s, it's 100x faster and I get exactly what I want.

I'm a bit worried that Windows 8 will not suit the power user at all.

It's pretty obvious that this is not about the power user or the "core". It's the "we want the iOS crowd".

 

[lexi]

It's pretty obvious that this is not about the power user or the "core". It's the "we want the iOS crowd".

So, er, what do we do then? Why isn't there even the option available for us?

 

[DTKT]

So, er, what do we do then? Why isn't there even the option available for us?

That's still a mystery to me. Someone will undoubtedly tell you about the great advantages of a unified OS on different platform. An idea that I find laughable with the different control scheme that translate into different interactions with the OS.

 

[Windu]

microsoft wants you to use Metro so it can gain developer support etc.. I thought that was pretty obvious.

 

[lexi]

I'm in the Enterprise market. I maintain and deploy hundreds of desktop machines, for lawyers, doctors, etc. AD, Exchange, the whole lot. I don't see how any of this metro stuff is going to be beneficial to any of my clients. I will need to actually do up a VM and install W8 just so I can get to know it, cause no doubt we're going to have to eventually deal with it.

My feeling is, it'd be fine if this was the 'home' version of Windows 8, and there was an unyet unannounced corporate version that did away with all this cluttering, unnecessary bullshit, and let people just do their work on their legacy apps. I can't believe this is not the case.

 

[Windu]

I'm in the Enterprise market. I maintain and deploy hundreds of desktop machines, for lawyers, doctors, etc. I don't see how any of this metro stuff is going to be beneficial to my scene. I will need to actually do up a VM and install it just so I know it, cause no doubt we're going to have to eventually deal with it.

It'd be fine if this was the 'home' version of Windows 8, and there was an unyet unannounced corporate version that did away with all this cluttering, unnecessary bullshit, and let's people just do their work on their legacy apps. I can't believe this is not the case.

sooo just stick to the desktop, you realize its only a mouse click/keyboard press away from the start screen right?

 

[kehs]

I'm in the Enterprise market. I maintain and deploy hundreds of desktop machines, for lawyers, doctors, etc. AD, Exchange, the whole lot. I don't see how any of this metro stuff is going to be beneficial to any of my clients. I will need to actually do up a VM and install W8 just so I can get to know it, cause no doubt we're going to have to eventually deal with it.

My feeling is, it'd be fine if this was the 'home' version of Windows 8, and there was an unyet unannounced corporate version that did away with all this cluttering, unnecessary bullshit, and let people just do their work on their legacy apps. I can't believe this is not the case.

Why do you think it'd be impossible to create enterprise level software with touch as the main interface?

 

[ralexand]

WGAS about the iOS crowd. I'm sure MS will be plenty happy selling their Surface computers to the 600 million people in the win7 crowd.

 

[markot]

lol, you should be the last person accusing anyone of fanboyism or being a corporate shill.

Ive used both on tablets, and find Android to be far better.

Oh noes im a corporate shill...

And im not accusing, he works for microsoft >.>

I still need to see why android isnt a full os.

This is microsoft apparently trying to be ahead of the curve. And ahead of the curve is two half assed uis stuck together with sticky tape.

 

[Delusibeta]

sooo just stick to the desktop, you realize its only a mouse click/keyboard press away from the start screen right?

But will any of his clients know that? That is the question, and I'm going to guess the answer will be "not for a long time". That I think is going to be the fundamental problem Windows 8 will have: non-technical minded people will probably fail to realise that there's anything beyond Metro and judge the entire shooting match based on Metro and most of them will probably conclude "why is this tablet OS on my desktop/laptop?"

 

[markot]

Which is what Microsoft wants, because metro is their portal to their ecosystem.

 

[lunarworks]

So, er, what do we do then? Why isn't there even the option available for us?

Microsoft has thrown us under the bus to get at the tablet market.

At least I can still use Windows 7, and OS X still appears to maintain sanity onward.

Well now you'll have hybrid system (similar to the Surface Pro) which will replace the tablet/laptop/desktop for 99% of people, a smartphone (Windows Phone 8) that shares the same kernel as the hybrid OS that will replace the portable music video, digital camera and handheld systems, and the home console (where the next Xbox is also rumoured to be running a version of Window 8 kernel) which will replace the set-top-box and TIVO.

So 3 devices total instead of 10. All of which share the same kernel and same interface principles.

Awesome. If you like the '90s idea of Microsoft running the whole show again.

One of the nice things about computing today is that most of what the average user does is OS agnostic. Aside from specific apps, it's hard to get locked into a platform. Music, video, photos, most documents... it's all in portable formats, or in the cloud.

 

[Mr. Robot]

But will any of his clients know that? That is the question, and I'm going to guess the answer will be "not for a long time". That I think is going to be the fundamental problem Windows 8 will have: non-technical minded people will probably fail to realise that there's anything beyond Metro and judge the entire shooting match based on Metro and most of them will probably conclude "why is this tablet OS on my desktop/laptop?"

You could basically, delete all the tiles from metro and only leave the Desktop one, or maybe, you know, create a script or macro that sends you to desktop on start, but i guess thats too much work for something that should be so simple.

 

[Totakeke]

Microsoft sucks. Microsoft is evil. Microsoft wants to lock everything down. Microsoft wants to control what I do. But then Microsoft is reactive and is not innovative. Microsoft is just a follower and slow to respond. Then Microsoft also changes too quickly. Microsoft doesn't care about legacy Desktop users.


Is there a point to these arguments other than just saying what you want for yourself?

 

[hwalker84]

I'm in the Enterprise market. I maintain and deploy hundreds of desktop machines, for lawyers, doctors, etc. AD, Exchange, the whole lot. I don't see how any of this metro stuff is going to be beneficial to any of my clients. I will need to actually do up a VM and install W8 just so I can get to know it, cause no doubt we're going to have to eventually deal with it.

My feeling is, it'd be fine if this was the 'home' version of Windows 8, and there was an unyet unannounced corporate version that did away with all this cluttering, unnecessary bullshit, and let people just do their work on their legacy apps. I can't believe this is not the case.

Yeah I can see some of my users raging. I on the other hand will have it on my machine as soon as possible.

 

[Blackhead]

OQO model 2.

It launched with an asking price of $1500 in '07 lol. Cool tech but no wonder it was never on my radar. Maybe I can snag one for cheap on ebay...

 

[markot]

Whats funny is that we went from 'if you are using metro on desktop you are doing it wrong' to 'metro needs to be there blah blah blah'...

Am I right lm8er? How it was two completely different uis that are for completely different things? Now its... now what?

Its cute how the arguments keep changing as microsoft keeps tinkering ^_^

Cant you guys just admit its all about leveraging and trying to make an ecosystem to rival apple? Stop with the spread sheets, the lame justifications, the 'its better realllly, even if you dont think it is, it is!'?

The sad thing is, most popular opinion isnt shard in this thread, because its become a hive of fanboys. Its insulated itself from reality, and the reality is that microsoft is making mistake after mistake. And all the blog posts cant change the half assery of this huge assplosion in the making.

It went from 'desktop has to be there!' to 'HYBRID FUTURE BAYBEEEEEEEEEE!' Cant wait to see where we go next when the hybrid future doesnt appear ^_^ Hybrid is the new buzz word.

 

[Totakeke]

Whats funny is that we went from 'if you are using metro on desktop you are doing it wrong' to 'metro needs to be there blah blah blah'...

Am I right lm8er? How it was two completely different uis that are for completely different things? Now its... now what?

Its cute how the arguments keep changing as microsoft keeps tinkering ^_^

Cant you guys just admit its all about leveraging and trying to make an ecosystem to rival apple? Stop with the spread sheets, the lame justifications, the 'its better realllly, even if you dont think it is, it is!'?

The sad thing is, most popular opinion isnt shard in this thread, because its become a hive of fanboys. Its insulated itself from reality, and the reality is that microsoft is making mistake after mistake. And all the blog posts cant change the half assery of this huge assplosion in the making.

Did you look in the mirror yet? You're the one being ridiculous.

I'm not invested in Microsoft's success nor failure. They are doing something different than what other people have done before and I want to see how it pans out rather than hand waving in the air thinking that the success of a product relies on one person's reasoning.

 

[Zombie James]

Microsoft sucks. Microsoft is evil. Microsoft wants to lock everything down. Microsoft wants to control what I do. But then Microsoft is reactive and is not innovative. Microsoft is just a follower and slow to respond. Then Microsoft also changes too quickly. Microsoft doesn't care about legacy Desktop users.

Change and innovation are good things when they're improvements (or an attempt at improvement, at least) over what people are using now. Microsoft's made a good looking tablet interface. If you're in the market for a tablet, now you have a third choice. That's super. On a mouse+keyboard desktop with a 21" screen, though? Metro doesn't improve anything.

Microsoft was kind enough to detect which platform Windows 8 is being installed on to give different sets of instructions while it's installing, and that's great. Why not use some of that insane, mind-blowing if/else technology to disable Metro on a platform where it makes no sense?

 

[markot]

Yeah, why should anyone care what a company with 90+% market share does? Or the company that has been your os choice since you started computing does?

I dont like it when companies do stupid things when I like those companies. I didnt like it when microsoft launched xbox and tried to kill off pc gaming. I dont like it when they are trying to kill off the 'desktop' in their hybrid bastardised future.

 

[Windu]

looks like this is what the box art or whatever will look like for Xbox Live games in the Store.

http://www.neowin.net/news/xbox-for...&utm_campaign=Feed:+neowin-main+(Neowin+News)

 

[lunarworks]

Whats funny is that we went from 'if you are using metro on desktop you are doing it wrong' to 'metro needs to be there blah blah blah'...

Am I right lm8er? How it was two completely different uis that are for completely different things? Now its... now what?

Its cute how the arguments keep changing as microsoft keeps tinkering ^_^

Cant you guys just admit its all about leveraging and trying to make an ecosystem to rival apple? Stop with the spread sheets, the lame justifications, the 'its better realllly, even if you dont think it is, it is!'?

The sad thing is, most popular opinion isnt shard in this thread, because its become a hive of fanboys. Its insulated itself from reality, and the reality is that microsoft is making mistake after mistake. And all the blog posts cant change the half assery of this huge assplosion in the making.

It went from 'desktop has to be there!' to 'HYBRID FUTURE BAYBEEEEEEEEEE!' Cant wait to see where we go next when the hybrid future doesnt appear ^_^ Hybrid is the new buzz word.

The problem is that Microsoft has become the Catholic Church of computing.

(If you know how the church works, you'd know what that means.)

((No offence to Catholics. I'm practically married to one.))

 

[Totakeke]

Microsoft was kind enough to detect which platform Windows 8 is being installed on to give different sets of instructions while it's installing, and that's great. Why not use some of that insane, mind-blowing if/else technology to disable Metro on a platform where it makes no sense?

Because maybe they're stupid. Because maybe they're taking a risk. Maybe it's both.

I dont like it when companies do stupid things when I like those companies. I didnt like it when microsoft launched xbox and tried to kill off pc gaming. I dont like it when they are trying to kill off the 'desktop' in their hybrid bastardised future.

And at the very same time people are saying that they're not killing off desktop fast enough to embrace metro.

You don't know what will happen, and neither do they. I doubt Microsoft really knows what will really happen either. If Metro doesn't take off they'll scale more to Desktop, and if Metro takes off, maybe they'll kill off Desktop. And for some reason you're upset that people are not agreeing with you?



Again, what's the point of all these arguments than stating what you want for yourself? They've already made the decision, Windows 8 is going to launch in 2 months. You can discuss it's flaws, but you should also expect disagreements and not delude yourself that any of us has control over this product's success.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

I'm looking forward to RTM of Win8 a lot. I maybe have a under a dozen programs I use regularly and I can easily pin them to the start screen and access them just as fast as Win7. Not a big deal.

The share charm is awesome as well if I want to quickly email a link to someone.

 

[Windu]

Microsoft announced today that it hasn't backed down from its contentious decision to enable Do Not Track by default in Internet Explorer 10. In a blog post from Chief Privacy Officer Brendon Lynch, the company said that Windows 8 will inform users of the Do Not Track preference during the first run experience. Customers using the Express (default) settings will have Do Not Track turned on, and those using the Custom settings option will have the ability to turn it off.

http://arstechnica.com/information-...uns-keeps-do-not-track-on-by-default-in-ie10/

 

[yogloo]

Ive used both on tablets, and find Android to be far better.

Oh noes im a corporate shill...

And im not accusing, he works for microsoft >.>

I still need to see why android isnt a full os.

This is microsoft apparently trying to be ahead of the curve. And ahead of the curve is two half assed uis stuck together with sticky tape.

Which is why it will be the most successful OS ever. Nintendo wii is two gamecubes taped together too!!!

Not only he works for Microsoft, the guy works on W8 right?

 

[Steelyuhas]

Whats funny is that we went from 'if you are using metro on desktop you are doing it wrong' to 'metro needs to be there blah blah blah'...

Am I right lm8er? How it was two completely different uis that are for completely different things? Now its... now what?

Its cute how the arguments keep changing as microsoft keeps tinkering ^_^

Cant you guys just admit its all about leveraging and trying to make an ecosystem to rival apple? Stop with the spread sheets, the lame justifications, the 'its better realllly, even if you dont think it is, it is!'?

The sad thing is, most popular opinion isnt shard in this thread, because its become a hive of fanboys. Its insulated itself from reality, and the reality is that microsoft is making mistake after mistake. And all the blog posts cant change the half assery of this huge assplosion in the making.

It went from 'desktop has to be there!' to 'HYBRID FUTURE BAYBEEEEEEEEEE!' Cant wait to see where we go next when the hybrid future doesnt appear ^_^ Hybrid is the new buzz word.

You're surprised that you came into a thread about the Windows 8 Release Preview and that in that same thread, you found people that are using and for the most part enjoying it? If you go into the iOS thread, you are largely going to find people that are using iOS, same thing applies here.

 

[Wiktor]

there really is not a single reason why these with clovertrail would not eat the netbook and low to mid-end notebook market:
l

There's plenty of reasons why they won't:
-they will be more expensive
-they likely will be weaker
-they're small, while majority of users want 14 and 15 inch ones
-they lack DVD/Blue Ray Drive

Now, I do think hybrids are the future and they willl become really popular pretty damn quick, but them eating netbook and low-mid notebook market is a song of far future.

 

[Wiktor]

But you cant tell me that Windows 8 is pretty or intuitive, cause it isn't. .

It is far more intuitive than Windows 7 is. It's just not intuitive for people who grew up on standard desktop UI.

 

[markot]

Which is why it will be the most successful OS ever. Nintendo wii is two gamecubes taped together too!!!

Not only he works for Microsoft, the guy works on W8 right?

He works for the windows update team.

 

[markot]

Windows 8 is odious for many reasons – specifically because it’s an inept mangling-together of three different interfaces, a disturbing attempt to turn the PC into a walled garden and it stealths a shopping channel into the heart of the OS – but hearing that PC game stalwarts Minesweeper, Solitaire and Majong will be re-released and infected with Achievements as part of it drove to me true despair. All hope is lost. The Earth will burn.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/08/07/the-end-times-achievements-for-minesweeper/

 

[scorcho]

oh no! Minesweeper has achievements! surely the Mayans were correct!