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[clav]

I thought Shadow Volume copies in its current implementation weren't through external drives.

They were saved on the main drive and only if System Protection were turned on.

This Time Machine method basically forces uses to adopt an external backup solution, which makes sense. Why would you keep backups in the main OS's drive?

 

[maeh2k]

I thought Shadow Volume copies in its current implementation weren't through external drives.

They were saved on the main drive and only if System Protection were turned on.

This Time Machine method basically forces uses to adopt an external backup solution, which makes sense.

I don't really know. Here it says:

System protection is automatically turned on for the drive that Windows is installed on. You can turn it on for other drives

Even if it's on the local disk only, it can be used in combination with the regular backup function.

 

[clav]

Oh that's right it could be turned on for external drives, but it was always so transparent what files were being saved as you could only restore files through file properties, which was buried in menus in menus and in menus.

Looks like they're making it easier to use as you can actually view what files.

 

[antiquegamer]

Chrome has been crashing Consumer Preview, so today I decided to install Release Preview and it's seems very good so far. This thread had me kinda worry, but the latest build seems very solid.

 

[BocoDragon]

Chrome has been crashing Consumer Preview, so today I decided to install Release Preview and it's seems very good so far. This thread had me kinda worry, but the latest build seems very solid.

I like it a million times more than Consumer Preview. It's not because of a whole bunch of new features, so much as all the little details were fixed. I really like Windows 8 now.

 

[clav]

I have a problem with USB drives in the current public build as I can't shut down properly.

External DVD drives will still show up as connected in File Explorer and when I look at my devices it just says "...".

Hopefully all the minor kinks will be polished up by RTM.

Further note, I tried Windows 8 on a netbook, and it actually runs quite smoothly. Launches faster than the Linux distros do from cold boot. Sucks about no Metro apps in 1024 x 600 resolution although you can run them once on an external monitor at a higher resolution to still use Live Tiles.

 

[giga]

Does File History protect the operating system and applications?

File History only protects user libraries, desktop, favorites and contacts. Other files, such as operating system files, applications, and settings, are not backed up.

 

[D4Danger]

the registry continues its reign of terror

 

[iNvid02]

i've held off for a long but im gonna give windows 8 a whirl

i hope nothing goes horribly wrong, but got a full backup waiting just in case

 

[giga]

They already had similar functionality for a long time.


http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/windows-8-feature-focus-file-history-142602






Since it's part of the desktop, I suspect that it does.

As much as Thurrott wants to think it wasn't, Previous Versions was different from Time Machine. Previous versions only "backed up" to your main drive so it wasn't really a backup solution. It also only made versions of files during a restore point or when Windows Backup ran--that only happened once a day.

In contrast, File History requires an external/network drive and backs up every hour. That's far more similar to Time Machine.

 

[Jayayess1190]

Freezing bug fix is here.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Maybe this is known, but I just discovered it by accident early today. The Windows Key + any number that corresponds to your desktop application location works anywhere in Windows 8, not just the desktop.

 

[clav]

Maybe this is known, but I just discovered it by accident early today. The Windows Key + any number that corresponds to your desktop application location works anywhere in Windows 8, not just the desktop.

Worked since Vista I think.

the registry continues its reign of terror

For legacy apps.

Metro apps appear to be moving away from the registry.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Worked since Vista I think.

But I mean that even if you are in a Metro app, hitting win key + number will open or jump to that desktop application. I just kind of assumed that shortcut would only work if you were in the desktop.

 

[antiquegamer]

I like it a million times more than Consumer Preview. It's not because of a whole bunch of new features, so much as all the little details were fixed. I really like Windows 8 now.

I have been using it for few hours now and I agree that not only it's more stable but small little adjustment they make really help. I was on my desktop computer today running Windows 7 and honestly I find Windows 8 desktop to be easier to use once you get to know it.

 

[dLMN8R]

I'm just curious - what little things are making the RP a lot better for you than the CP? I've seen development so gradually that it's hard to forget what actually changed between major milestones.

 

[antiquegamer]

I'm just curious - what little things are making the RP a lot better for you than the CP? I've seen development so gradually that it's hard to forget what actually changed between major milestones.

It's little thing like the way setting is arrange, explorer is easier with less clutter. The metro side is more usable with mouse. There is one thing I do wish they add to the Metro side is the back button on the mouse should control the back arrow.

Thing I wish they allow for more customization are those tiles. I think they should have gone with two or three color tiles. It would look less messy (like metro should) but allow people to customized it to how ugly they want it.

They also fix a lot of quirk with the IE10 browser.

 

[dLMN8R]

I think the mouse back button working like that has been implemented

 

[Windu]

I'm just curious - what little things are making the RP a lot better for you than the CP? I've seen development so gradually that it's hard to forget what actually changed between major milestones.

a lot less buggy

 

[iNvid02]

everything was going smooth and it did install successfully but on the 3rd restart the sad face came up
another restart and then it started reverting back to windows 7

trying to find out why because i really wanna give win8 a whirl
on the up side the whole installation process was very smooth and fast, and reverting me back to win7 was slick too.

it was a failure, but not a really bad one

 

[antiquegamer]

I think the mouse back button working like that has been implemented

Really? I just try that News app (not too bad actually for reading news, though pretty barebone) and my mouse back button doesn't back out of the page. Unless there is a setting?

 

[dLMN8R]

Really? I just try that News app (not too bad actually for reading news, though pretty barebone) and my mouse back button doesn't back out of the page. Unless there is a setting?

"Has been implemented" meaning "since the RP was released"

 

[Queen of Hunting]

you know things are going to shit when you have to google where is the power off settings

 

[antiquegamer]

"Has been implemented" meaning "since the RP was released"

You are right it does work on some of the app (the New Egg one). Awesome, thanks for the head up.

BTW, that New Egg app is pretty cool. I wonder if Amazon has one, the one on iPad was pretty crappy to use.

 

[Jzero]

you know things are going to shit when you have to google where is the power off settings

what? they're in the same place.

 

[beje]

what? they're in he same place.

I think he means the Power Off button. It's right in the Start Menu in in Win7 but nowhere to be found in 8 unless you dig into Metro menus (don't remember where, I think it's under an invisible active area) or use Ctrl-Alt-Del

 

[dLMN8R]

You don't need to "dig". It's in the Settings charm, where everything else about your settings (sound, brightness, network settings, keyboard, and more) are located. It's in a consistent place, the exact same place, no matter what you're doing on the PC.

 

[Jzero]

You don't need to "dig". It's in the Settings charm, where everything else about your settings (sound, brightness, network settings, keyboard, and more) are located. It's in a consistent place, the exact same place, no matter what you're doing on the PC.

the thing i didn't like about that is that they didn't include the switch user or log off in the same place.

 

[kehs]

the thing i didn't like about that is that they didn't include the switch user or log off in the same place.

Probably because they don't belong together.

 

[Jzero]

Probably because they don't belong together.

They have been in the same place in the past OS' so it sucks that they moved it. I'm lazy and it takes more clicks to log off.

Ctrl Alt Del
Alt O

Thanks i forgot about Ctrl Alt Del .

 

[clav]

They have been in the same place in the past OS' so it sucks that they moved it. I'm lazy and it takes more clicks to log off.

Ctrl Alt Del
Alt O

 

[dLMN8R]

The Settings charm controls the system. Log-on/log-off has nothing to do with the system. Logging on/off new users is handled in the context of the user, which makes sense to put where you see your name and do it for yourself.

 

[ralexand]

I think the toughest thing it will be for users to learn is that Printing and Searching are external to apps now. I'm pretty tech savvy and have been using win8 as my main system since the dp and I've just gotten used to that concept.

 

[Steelyuhas]

I think the toughest thing it will be for users to learn is that Printing and Searching are external to apps now. I'm pretty tech savvy and have been using win8 as my main system since the dp and I've just gotten used to that concept.

Yeah those are examples of things that are good decisions (makes the OS a much more uniform experience), but are initially hard for a long time user to adjust to.

 

[clav]

The Synaptics touch driver seems to have issues with this build.

Every couple restarts after reinstallation, the touchpad refuses to recognize that clicks and taps work.

Is that resolved or is that Synaptics's problem?

 

[clav]

SkyDrive app update.

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...12/an-update-to-skydrive-with-a-new-logo.aspx

 

[Complex Shadow]

SkyDrive app update.

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...12/an-update-to-skydrive-with-a-new-logo.aspx

dat vista check mark.

 

[brotkasten]

dat vista check mark.

I'm sure a metro icon pack will be released as soon as Windows 8 RTM is available.

A new WMP skin from Microsoft would've been nice too.

 

[Complex Shadow]

I'm sure a metro icon pack will be released as soon as Windows 8 RTM is available.

A new WMP skin from Microsoft would've been nice too.

 

[kehs]

Dat appliance roadmap.

Microsoft is reportedly planning to kill its retail full edition of Windows 8, offering simplified upgrade and System Builder options for home users. The software maker has typically sold upgrade, full, and OEM System Builder copies of its Windows software at retailers. Windows Weekly co-hosts Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley have both revealed that Microsoft is planning to remove the full edition option in favor of a System Builder option for home users building a PC.

In the past, home users wishing to install a full copy of Windows could either purchase a pricey boxed copy or a cheaper OEM edition. The OEM edition, that was technically for system builders, could be sold by retailers with a piece of hardware — but many have offered this as a standalone purchase. Full boxed copies come with 90 days of support via email and telephone after activation, whereas OEM copies lack the support option. Thurrott and Foley both speculate that the full edition will no longer be available in stores, replaced with an OEM System Builder option for those building a new PC. The change marks a shift in Microsoft's licensing plans for Windows 8 and simplifies the offering to consumers on the web and in retail stores.

A Microsoft spokesperson confirmed the existence of a System Builder version for consumers earlier this month, revealing that Mac users would have to use the edition to install Windows 8. Microsoft will release a Windows 8 Pro upgrade offer for existing Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7 users — priced at just $39.99. If the rumors are true, expect to see just upgrade and System Builder options on the shelves in late October. Ultimately, the change is good for consumers providing Microsoft plans to offer its System Builder version at a similar price to its previous OEM copies of Windows 7.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/13/3...ull-version-upgrade-system-builder-only-rumor

 

[antiquegamer]

Good news, I am glad they get rid of that expensive retail sku. I have a new laptop and I would buy a full OEM version of Windows 8 so I can do clean install whenever I feel like nuking my drive or eventual upgrade to SSD.

 

[clav]

I "solved" my touchpad problem by using a program called touchfreeze (available via Google Code) and uninstalling the Synaptics drivers.

Hopefully, RTM solves all of this.

 

[giga]

Windows 8 Mail leaves users pining for the desktop—or even their phones

 

[maeh2k]

Windows 8 Mail leaves users pining for the desktop—or even their phones

I agree that the Windows 8 apps are still lagging behind their Windows Phone counter parts and there's lots of stuff to add to Mail. This article is to negative, anyway. I bet IMAP will be available around launch or shortly thereafter. So it's not a big deal.

For a basic mail client it's already quite nice. Tons of people don't need more than that and the rest can still use desktop mail clients such as Outlook, web mail clients or, in the future, third party Metro mail clients.
When Hotmail gets the Metro makeover in full-screen IE10, it'll be a pretty great alternative to a local client.

 

[iNvid02]

been playing around with this for a few hours and i just cant carry on

the new ui is nice, the OS feels a bit snappier, and the minor changes and additions are all great

but without the classic start menu the OS is unusable to me, i know i haven't given it much time but windows 7's start menu was perfect, im not going to downgrade to metro

i tried solutions like vistart and start8 but they are not a perfect replacement

if microsoft bring back the classic start button/menu or somebody creates a perfect replacement then a cheap upgrade to windows 8 is a very appealing to me

but its back to windows 7 for now with a windows 8 theme

 

[linkboy]

been playing around with this for a few hours and i just cant carry on

the new ui is nice, the OS feels a bit snappier, and the minor changes and additions are all great

but without the classic start menu the OS is unusable to me, i know i haven't given it much time but windows 7's start menu was perfect, im not going to downgrade to metro

i tried solutions like vistart and start8 but they are not a perfect replacement

if microsoft bring back the classic start button/menu or somebody creates a perfect replacement then a cheap upgrade to windows 8 is a very appealing to me

but its back to windows 7 for now with a windows 8 theme

Classic Shell was about the best I could get when I ran the Consumer Preview. I'm going to give the RP a shot tomorrow.

 

[PG2G]

You should give it a bit more time, I don't know if a few hours is enough to get used to the changes.

 

[kehs]

been playing around with this for a few hours and i just cant carry on

the new ui is nice, the OS feels a bit snappier, and the minor changes and additions are all great

but without the classic start menu the OS is unusable to me, i know i haven't given it much time but windows 7's start menu was perfect, im not going to downgrade to metro

i tried solutions like vistart and start8 but they are not a perfect replacement

if microsoft bring back the classic start button/menu or somebody creates a perfect replacement then a cheap upgrade to windows 8 is a very appealing to me

but its back to windows 7 for now with a windows 8 theme

Have you tried giving it a shot without shitty start menu replacements?

 

[iNvid02]

of course, i got by for about an hour with the metro menu but i seriously started hating it

im sure some people feel the same way, and maybe one of them will end up creating a viable replacement

then im back on board, the rest of the OS is great

 

[SPDIF]

of course, i got by for about an hour with the metro menu but i seriously started hating it

im sure some people feel the same way, and maybe one of them will end up creating a viable replacement

then im back on board, the rest of the OS is great

What specifically don't you like about the metro menu? With the exception of a few certain things, it's the same as Windows 7.

I know it's your opinion, but maybe spending longer than a few hours with it might change it.

For me it was just a case of getting used to the fact that pressing the Windows key to search would change my whole screen rather than just a small section. After that I was fine.