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Wiktor
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You can never uninstall shoddily coded OEM software from Windows completely as if it had never been installed. They leave files in the windows directory, registry, all over and don't bother to remove them. At least that's how it is with traditional Windows, RT might be different.This is windows. You can uninstall all that crap
Anton Sugar
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Doesn't W8 have an easy "wipe" option that would make getting rid of all of the crapware, easier?
Not exactly. Refresh and Reset make a clean install much easier, however they can be customized with baseline images. While that's helpful if you want to create your own baseline image so that a Reset would bring you back to exactly where you want to be, I think it also means that OEMs can do the same with their crapware preloaded.
Though....on a machine like that, you might be able to substitute a vanilla ISO of Windows 8 for whatever OEM customized image there might be. I haven't dug into the details though.
LukasTaves
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Anyone having trouble installing the latest Nvidia Verde (notebook) drivers? (Verde 306.02 Driver)
It says it's incompatible with my operating system, even though i chose Win8x64 when searching for the driver
It says it's incompatible with my operating system, even though i chose Win8x64 when searching for the driver
Jzero
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Don't know about verde but i installed the normal 306.02 drivers with no problem.Anyone having trouble installing the latest Nvidia Verde (notebook) drivers? (Verde 306.02 Driver)
It says it's incompatible with my operating system, even though i chose Win8x64 when searching for the driver
Can't you install the normal drivers instead of verde?
brotkasten
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I'm honestly surprised that this thread doesn't turn into the weekly carnival of stupid with the usual suspects. Is this thread hidden or something?
Check on the gaming side, a new carnival of stupid has popped up there.
I know. It's terrible.
Jzero
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And it was posted by the #1 hater of Windows 8 lol.
IFA is about to start and it's time for another hardware carnival of stupid.
Not only are we getting silly clown phones like the Note II, but LG showed their 21:9 PC monitor.
Because 16:9 in computing wasn't bad enough.
The Start Screen should look great on it.
Whats wrong with 16:9?
I have a 25" monitor and its great being able to run two windows nearly full size right next to each other. 4:3 is garbage.
Widescreen computer monitors, when they first started appearing, used to be 16:10, which is infinitely better. Then HDTV's became big and every LCD panel was cut to 16:9, which included computers.
Damnit, thanks a lot man, now I've add my dumb nonsense to that thread.
120px = ∞
it can be anything between 80 to 160 lines depending on the screen resolution
If you want to talk about pixels, that's anywhere between 102400 pixels to 409600 pixels you're missing out with 16:9 instead of 16:10.
Damon Bennet
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yes its horrible. the fud in the press is doing no good for w8. they need a tremendous ad campaign to make up for it.
lol @ Microsoft being capable of having an effective ad campaign.
Sorry if this has been asked already, but I'm not really willing to comb through such a giant thread!
Does anyone know if there's a way to keep the Start Screen open on one monitor, with the desktop on the other? At the moment, clicking on the desktop results in the Start Screen closing. Also, is there any way to get Charms to appear on the monitor that is not your primary? I would like to have the start screen on my left, but the charms on the far right. I searched through Google with no avail.
Thanks guys!
Edit: Also, is there anyway to create icons for desktop apps that will appear in metro? The way they have desktop icons look now is hideous. Thanks again!
Does anyone know if there's a way to keep the Start Screen open on one monitor, with the desktop on the other? At the moment, clicking on the desktop results in the Start Screen closing. Also, is there any way to get Charms to appear on the monitor that is not your primary? I would like to have the start screen on my left, but the charms on the far right. I searched through Google with no avail.
Thanks guys!
Edit: Also, is there anyway to create icons for desktop apps that will appear in metro? The way they have desktop icons look now is hideous. Thanks again!
nope
Man, Windows 8 isn't too great on my Acer Revo. The Revo is a piece of shit with a single-core atom processor and an NVIDIA ION LE chip, but it could handle 1080p video playing through Windows Media Player without any issue.
It can still do that in Windows 8, but the Video App stutters to hell and back, and the machine was completely unusable with horrible flickering until I installed the latest NVIDIA beta driver.
It can still do that in Windows 8, but the Video App stutters to hell and back, and the machine was completely unusable with horrible flickering until I installed the latest NVIDIA beta driver.
yn-neko hates a cat
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How is the rest of the UI animation? Is the video source standard h.264 encoding? I also find that in the past, low-powere hardware having problem with video playback had to do with the bitrate and storage not being able to keep up with data reads even when hardware acceleration was working well.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Not at home at the moment but you can open metro on a different monitor by going to the bottom left of that monitor or if it's open already you can use win+pgnup or pgdn.
LukasTaves
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No, still says it's incompatible... I also tried manually installing through Device Manager... It finds the appropriate driver but also says it's not compatible with my OS...
yn-neko hates a cat
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It would be interesting to see the CPU utilizatiuon of Video app and WMP when playing back the video. If it differs greatly then it would probably mean one is taking advantage of hardware acceleration while the other isn't.
They really should have called it something other than windows imo..... go out and buy the metro name, or use tiles or surface and call it version 1 of that new product. Calling it windows gives an expectation for what it should be and do which is coloring many opinions. The windows name doesn't even fit the mantra of the new design language by being simple/make sense and "reimagined" when there are no windows on the metro side anymore.
Just say this is Metro 1.0.... Windows as you know it is dead and 7 is the last version we will produce. We are moving on to the metro paradigm but keep what we know win8 the exactly the same (ie desktop still being there) but explicitly say the desktop is there for backwards compatibility.
Ironlion45
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So, I broke down and decided to set it up on a partition of my HD.
I was expecting a festering pile of horror, so perhaps it was my lowered expectations to blame, but I actually didn't hate it!
The start menu thing is irritating. That and a couple subtle differences throw you off at first, but once you get used to it it starts feeling more and more like "home". That said, I really can't see it as being that much better than Windows 7 unless you're an MS fanatic and have Windows mobile stuff, too. The metro interface being basically the same as what you get on a windows 8 mobile device would be an advantage for someone having those. But who in their right mind would buy a windows mobile device?
The bottom line: If you currently have windows 7, it's $40 to upgrade until January 31. For $40, it's probably worth the money to upgrade.
But if you already have Windows 7, you already have everything you need. Win 8 is a little faster, a little more snappy and clean. But minus the Metro thing, it is exactly the same as Windows 7. So, if you're going to be stuck with a full upgrade price? Skip it. You don't gain anything.
Windows 7 will continue to be the XP for some time, and you won't be left behind if you don't upgrade from it, because Windows 8 doesn't have much over it but somewhat improved security and ease-of-use improvements.
But I will say, Windows 8 is not another Vista or ME. It's a very fine OS.
I was expecting a festering pile of horror, so perhaps it was my lowered expectations to blame, but I actually didn't hate it!
The start menu thing is irritating. That and a couple subtle differences throw you off at first, but once you get used to it it starts feeling more and more like "home". That said, I really can't see it as being that much better than Windows 7 unless you're an MS fanatic and have Windows mobile stuff, too. The metro interface being basically the same as what you get on a windows 8 mobile device would be an advantage for someone having those. But who in their right mind would buy a windows mobile device?
The bottom line: If you currently have windows 7, it's $40 to upgrade until January 31. For $40, it's probably worth the money to upgrade.
But if you already have Windows 7, you already have everything you need. Win 8 is a little faster, a little more snappy and clean. But minus the Metro thing, it is exactly the same as Windows 7. So, if you're going to be stuck with a full upgrade price? Skip it. You don't gain anything.
Windows 7 will continue to be the XP for some time, and you won't be left behind if you don't upgrade from it, because Windows 8 doesn't have much over it but somewhat improved security and ease-of-use improvements.
But I will say, Windows 8 is not another Vista or ME. It's a very fine OS.
Steelyuhas
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Windows Phone is an excellent platform.
Jzero
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Nope, went smoother than Windows 7 installation iirc
Shit, i would. The only downside is that it doesn't currently have all the good apps that iOS/Android have.
Ironlion45
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Yeah, I thought so too (got the Developer Evaluation too), and was surprised when despite the standard warning (This could take a long time, your computer will restart multiple times, etc) after less than 10 minutes and one restart, with no needed input from me, it was done. That's come a long way from the Win 95 days!
Android and iOS both are a little bit more mature, and have a few more features. For me, the metro interface just feels a little too stripped-down; I'd like a few more gizmos and doodads to clutter up my screen really.
But I am biased, since after trying Android I basically loved it to bits. Windows Phone is by no means a bad choice though, imo. Just that the competition really is better.
Except for the apps...which really is what a platform is all about if you ask me.
Not everyone needs a lot of apps on their phone. Also you get better/equivalent performance with much cheaper hardware.
However we don't need to bring that old debate here.
I feel really bad for the LG Optimus 7 owners who are getting android Optimus 3D handsets in exchange when sending their device for warranty repairs. Even with the poor CPU and GPU by today's standards, the phone is 10x more usable than the piece of junk optimus 3D running android 2.3.
Steelyuhas
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Yeah without launching into a discussion about it in the wrong thread, there are a couple brief points to that.
First, the apps being weak is a great exaggeration. There are well over 100,000 apps and I've never had an issue finding the apps I want.
Second, apps aren't everything, it has a UI, core functionality, and performance that is great, and I feel not only isn't inferior to the competition, but is better in some cases.
Yeah that's really funny. Plus it's an opinion piece and has nothing to do with gaming besides it's by "PCgamesN".
The apps on Windows Phone is of excellent quality. But you say you love quantity over quality?
Let's not make this into a WP thread. I've been using iOS for 3 years and there's nothing that will make me switch to anything else at the moment or the foreseeable future.
Vivo, Ativ, what's with all those weirdly names.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/29/3276484/asus-vivo-tab-vivo-tab-rt-tablets-windows-8-windows-rt
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/29/3276484/asus-vivo-tab-vivo-tab-rt-tablets-windows-8-windows-rt
I am waiting for the LifePad.
Maybe that means it will do the opposite of not sell.
This was on the gaming side but figured it fits here too.... pretty big deal to get the full unreal 3 engine on winRT.
http://youtu.be/gHHApNJS3LQ
source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489044
http://youtu.be/gHHApNJS3LQ
source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489044
Oh I missed that, that's pretty sweet actually.
infinityBCRT
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I think Mark Rein was blown away by the Surface announcement which is why this has happened so quickly.
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