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[Dreams-Visions]

Also, unless I missed something, using "right-click" to get to settings in Metro applications is another hidden action.

I damn near died laughing when I found out that's where they hid tabs in the metro version of IE. who the fuck would think right-clicking would bring up your menu of open IE tabs? When has that ever been the process for opening a new tab or accessing an old tab in the history of tabbed web browsers? It's that kind of bullshit coupled with an abject lack of instruction that leads people to become frustrated.

Baffling design choices left and right, compounded with severely lacking modern educational tools. Again, thank God for YouTube and web forums or I'd still hate Windows 8.

First thing I did in Windows 8 was do what the little hot corner animation portrayed... I checked the corners and explored. It's not hard a hard concept, perhaps the exploring part is too hard for some...

Except that not everyone saw the animation. Not everyone's first experience included the initial setup. Not everyone may have been looking at the screen when it played.

And even then, it doesn't prepare someone for the Where's Waldo hunt for basic shit like "where do I find Shutdown".

 

[kitch9]

The difference being in 7 that you can also click a good 90% of the screen area to close the Start menu. In 8, the clickable region that closes the Start menu and dumps you onto the desktop can hit zero.



Because Apple has a button that's visible on the screen nearly all the time. Microsoft, with Windows 8, has *no* button. And even then, it really doesn't excuse Microsoft hiding the Shut Down options in a completely different pocket from the Log Off options.

So you've never accidently logged off, when you meant to hit sleep, or hit Hibernate when you meant to restart in 7? (Or any Windows before.)

The old way of doing it has its problems.... I use keyboard shortcuts so it's not a problem for me.

Do people forget what the bottom left corner is for now there's no button, or once they know how it works do they remember what it is for?

 

[JaggedSac]

I damn near died laughing when I found out that's where they hid tabs in the metro version of IE. who the fuck would think right-clicking would bring up your menu of open IE tabs? When has that ever been the process for opening a new tab or accessing an old tab in the history of tabbed web browsers? It's that kind of bullshit coupled with an abject lack of instruction that leads people to become frustrated.

Baffling design choices left and right, compounded with severely lacking modern educational tools. Again, thank God for YouTube and web forums or I'd still hate Windows 8.

Right clicking brings up the app bar in EVERY metro app that has contextual/navigational options. Knowing that, it isn't that strange.

 

[kitch9]

I damn near died laughing when I found out that's where they hid tabs in the metro version of IE. who the fuck would think right-clicking would bring up your menu of open IE tabs? When has that ever been the process for opening a new tab or accessing an old tab in the history of tabbed web browsers? It's that kind of bullshit coupled with an abject lack of instruction that leads people to become frustrated.

Baffling design choices left and right, compounded with severely lacking modern educational tools. Again, thank God for YouTube and web forums or I'd still hate Windows 8.

If you don't like metro IE don't use it, same as you probably don't use other programs you don't like.

IE is not Windows by the way.

 

[cbox]

^ yep.


Exactly. People here are bullshitting and apologizing. It's quite tiring.

Dudes here are acting like Windows 8 is their son that can't be critiqued and opinions must be taken personally or some shit. Get over yourself for a change. Yes, Windows 8 can make a terrible first impression if you're not already aware of certain key changes to the IU. That's the reality. Don't know why people can't accept that flaw and instead discuss how that can be overcome rather than just calling everyone who had a bad first experience "a tool". It's just small-minded.

The guy in the video is a tool, nobody else said otherwise. I'm up for debate but it's hard to have a decent conversation when you get ignorant drive by complaints.

 

[kitch9]

Right clicking brings up the app bar in EVERY metro app that has contextual/navigational options. Knowing that, it isn't that strange.

It's a typical comment from someone who's heard something bad on the net but never actually seen it for themselves.

 

[Particle Physicist]

There is an animation that displays the gestures the first time a user account is created, so he saw it and ignored it or missed it. And, he spent a good 5 minutes bitching about it, and making a lame fart joke. The guy is a tool.

So what you are saying is that you didn't actually watch the entire video? Or listen to what he actually said?

 

[railGUN]

It's a typical comment from someone who's heard something bad on the net but never actually seen it for themselves.

Who is that directed at? Me?

 

[kitch9]

Who is that directed at? Me?

Why would you think that? Someone apparently "died laughing" when they found out right click opened a contextual menu in a Metro app.

Right click opens a menu in most Apps, which leads me to think the guy commenting hasn't actually used it, yet still commenting, which is common.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Right clicking brings up the app bar in EVERY metro app that has contextual/navigational options. Knowing that, it isn't that strange.

Really? It isn't strange to hide Tabs in that area?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

If you don't like metro IE don't use it, same as you probably don't use other programs you don't like.

IE is not Windows by the way.

Stay obtuse, my friend.

The issue isn't whether I like or dislike anything or not. The issue -- as I have now said several fucking times if you'd bother to read and absorb -- is the lack of modern instruction and education. 25 years worth of Windows user experiences have just been changed. You don't simply offer a 6-second flash of information that a user may or may not see, change the most important and basic UI elements of an OS that has been doing things a specific way for 25 years, hide shit in entirely new, often invisible and unintuitive places, and leave people twisting in the wind.

It's not a matter of like and dislike. It's a matter of planning and preparing new users in the best way possible when changing so many fundamental UI features. Again, it's like taking to a brick wall. Asking someone to not use a feature is the height of intellectual bankruptcy and bias. Do better. Oh wait, this is kitch9 I'm taking to. The act is old and tired. Asking you to see a different viewpoint is like asking the Queen to grow nuts so she can be King.

The guy in the video is a tool, nobody else said otherwise. I'm up for debate but it's hard to have a decent conversation when you get ignorant drive by complaints.

This is where I disagree. His long diatribe was the first 30 minutes experience he had with Windows 8 without having any prior knowledge or experience.

I had the exact same experience in early November when I walked up to a Windows 8 kiosk to try it for myself. I had no prior knowledge and did not get greeted by the weak-ass "check out the new way to use Windows" animation. The computer was just sitting on metro. With 20+ years of Windows experience, I assumed I could figure the shit out quickly and easily as I have with most OSes I've used (RedHat, OSX, every version of Windows going back to 3.1). I shared his opinion after about an hour, at which point I fucking gave up, went home and ranted in the GAF Win8 OT. I'd link it but I'm on the mobile version of GAF on my iPad and don't feel like being bothered.

The difference between he and I isn't our "30 minutes in" impression; it's that he made a video about it. That video reflects the first experiences many people have. And unlike with me, sometimes you don't get a second chance to make a first impression.

Again, the context to keep in mind with that video are (1) first impressions after (2) 30 minutes of experiences and (3) with no prior knowledge of what changed or how it all now works.

 

[Vyer]

I still don't understand how typing in start menu to find anything is an issue. you can find any app in 'all apps' too if you don't want to type.

Recovery in particular is part of control panel, typing it just takes you right in there. Windows 7 isn't any different.

I think what you referred to earlier is a valid point; having to leave the desktop for a full screen search menu. That's a significant difference.

Of course, once you have it customized the way you like it that's minimized a bit. Unless you happen to work with different machines on a regular basis.

 

[JaggedSac]

Really? It isn't strange to hide Tabs in that area?

Nope, not when every other metro app would have it there or on the bottom of the app bar as well. Although the bottom bar would be against the design guidelines.

 

[Sinistral]

Except that not everyone saw the animation. Not everyone's first experience included the initial setup. Not everyone may have been looking at the screen when it played.

And even then, it doesn't prepare someone for the Where's Waldo hunt for basic shit like "where do I find Shutdown".

You've been dismissing everyones similar experiences with other OSs due to lack of instruction, yet complain about other people being brick walls. You're on a crusade against Windows 8, not usability. Which, shockingly isnt that great if there is no instruction of any kind! Regardless of OS! That doesn't mean the OS is shit.

 

[kitch9]

Stay obtuse, my friend.

The issue isn't where their I like or dislike anything. The issue -- as I have now said several fucking times if you'd bother to read and absorb -- is the lack of modern instruction and education. 25 years worth of Windows user experiences have just been changed. You don't simply offer a 6-second flash of information that a user may or may not see, change the most important and basic UI elements of an OS that has been doing things a specific way for 25 years, hide shit in entirely new, often invisible and unintuitive places, and leave people twisting in the wind.

It's not a matter of like and dislike. It's a matter of planning and preparing new users in the best way possible when changing so many fundamental UI features. Again, it's like taking to a brick wall. Asking someone to not use a feature is the height of intellectual bankruptcy and bias. Do better. Oh wait, this is kitch9 I'm taking to. The act is old and tired. Asking you to see a different viewpoint is like asking the Queen to grow nuts so she can be King.

Who gives a fuck if things have changed, because things are changing and no amount of crying and stamping your feet will stop the pull of the free market.

People no longer just have pc's, they buy Ipads and learn how to use them, they have Android phones and learn them. Learning how a new OS works is now the norm and people are looking for the next big thing constantly.

People don't have a problem anymore with new stuff, in fact the market now expects diversity instead of similarity. MS needed to make a move because their "25 year" old os is no longer the cool kid on the block, it wasn't years ago...

 

[cbox]

Stay obtuse, my friend.

The issue isn't where their I like or dislike anything. The issue -- as I have now said several fucking times if you'd bother to read and absorb -- is the lack of modern instruction and education. 25 years worth of Windows user experiences have just been changed. You don't simply offer a 6-second flash of information that a user may or may not see, change the most important and basic UI elements of an OS that has been doing things a specific way for 25 years, hide shit in entirely new, often invisible and unintuitive places, and leave people twisting in the wind.

It's not a matter of like and dislike. It's a matter of planning and preparing new users in the best way possible when changing so many fundamental UI features. Again, it's like taking to a brick wall. Asking someone to not use a feature is the height of intellectual bankruptcy and bias. Do better. Oh wait, this is kitch9 I'm taking to. The act is old and tired. Asking you to see a different viewpoint is like asking the Queen to grow nuts so she can be King.

Ie10 is fine for metro use, users who choose to try a new browser can do so easily. Continuity is there just like every other metro app, fucking right click. I think we as a population lost our ways in learning as we expect everything to be spoon fed to us. Ios4 didn't teach me how to close a multi tasked app, yet I still managed to figure it out. And Linux never taught me how to install a program manually, for example.

Once you've installed a new browser, a pop up asks what you'd like to do in regards to using future programs.

Sure, metro apps would benefit from a close button. So far every single video and post seen bitches and whines about the interface but offers no improvements.

 

[Sinistral]

Sure, metro apps would benefit from a close button. So far every single video and post seen bitches and whines about the interface but offers no improvements.

I find the swipe down (with a mouse) to be quite enjoyable and intuitive actually, I don't mind the absence of the Close button for metro apps.

 

[I'm an expert]

Win8 was made for a Surface. Buy a Surface and you'll love it.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Who gives a fuck if things have changed, because things are changing and no amount of crying and stamping your feet will stop the pull of the free market.

People no longer just have pc's, they buy Ipads and learn how to use them, they have Android phones and learn them. Learning how a new OS works is now the norm and people are looking for the next big thing constantly.

People don't have a problem anymore with new stuff, in fact the market now expects diversity instead of similarity. MS needed to make a move because their "25 year" old os is no longer the cool kid on the block, it wasn't years ago...

when was Microsoft ever the cool OS lol?

Change for the sake of change is worse than not changing at all. Vista->7 make no major UI changes at all and it was a great OS transition and 7->8 with non of this tablet nonsense desktop users don't need would have been an uncontested great upgrade.

Microsoft decided they needed to change and didn't really consider why or what they needed to change and this is the fruits of that poor decision.


And costumers expect diversity lololol. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. My friend got an android tablet for Christmas, thought it was an iPad and had no idea it was no an iPad. It looked like one to them, and the OS looked pretty much like they remembered the iPad OS looked like.

And guess what, it's not just them. They had no real way to figure out how to hook it to the Internet, and me, knowing what I was doing, volunteered to set it up. And guess what, it controls pretty much exactly like my iPad. In fact, I went into it controlling it like my iPad, and guess what, it controlled like my iPad. And this made me happy, and made it easy to set up because the controls were similar.

When I first used a Mac, the way I was taught was having its features compared to Windows. For the most part, the Mac OS is just windows with the start menu under a slightly different menu (apps or whatever) and the key functions that are usually program specific were all on a central apple toolbar up top. But click and drag did the same thing. I could right click. Ctrl (or apple button whatever) + key did everything I expected.

So don't give me this line people like differences. They don't. If that wasn't the case we wouldn't have hundreds of GUIs for Linux that try to make it more like Windows.

 

[StudioTan]

I feel like Microsoft has pulled a bait and switch on us with Metro. The original metro design (which is still present in the Zune software for Win7/XP) I think looks amazing. Smooth transitions, color splashed in corners sparsely illuminating patterns present, great use of translucency for visual effect, etc. The Metro that is common now looks like a vastly simplified rendition of that ideal that was scaled back exclusively to get it to work on older Win7 phones and never upgraded back to its original implementation as hardware specs increased.

It's like disabling Aero on Win7 because it can't run well on netbooks and never enabling it again for everyone else.

This is all from soemone who's sole experience with Win8 was with pre-release versions in a VM, so take it all with a grain of salt. It's just that everytime I see Win8 Metro I see the hardware limitations of the early Samsung and Nokia phones at work, and not Metro at its genesis.

There was that Verge forum post where someone applied the O.G. Metro visual design to Win8...let me see if I can dig it up..


false edit: here it is http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/24/2822891/windows-desktop-ui-concept



The mock-up is focused on visual theme, not so much functionality,

That design would completely break UI compatibility with legacy software.

 

[Gattsu25]

That design would completely break UI compatibility with legacy software.

I'm not advocating for this implementation, but using it to highlight what Metro looked like in 2006 and why, in my opinion, Metro looked better then than it does now.


Basically, I'm asking you to read the text of my post, including the text right below the images. I just used the images to highlight the original Metro design language.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

That design would completely break UI compatibility with legacy software.

There is no such thing as "legacy software", as he's talking about Metro. Everything in Metro is new and independent from the desktop. They could have designed things differently (though whether those different ideas would have been better is a matter of debate).

To that end I agree. Not as cool as I hoped. I posted las night about my disappointment with the Xbox Music app for local file playback.

I was expecting something cool like this:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=dY-kMewRJz4&desktop_uri=/watch?v=dY-kMewRJz4

Instead of the ugliness it turned out to be. Track 8 is more in the spirit of Zune Metro. Oh well.

 

[ymmv]

Win8 was made for a Surface. Buy a Surface and you'll love it.

99.999% of the population don't own a Surface though.

 

[StudioTan]

I'm not advocating for this implementation, but using it to highlight what Metro looked like in 2006 and why, in my opinion, Metro looked better then than it does now.

That's not what Metro looked like. That's someone's idea of what he thought it SHOULD look like. It's in the first line:

This is a desktop concept that I’ve recently put together for fun. I thought I’d post a few screens to see what people here think.

 

[I'm an expert]

99.999% of the population don't own a Surface though.

They should. Then they'd all be happy. But at least any laptop/tablet hybrid. 8 without touch is just dumb.

 

[JaggedSac]

To that end I agree. Not as cool as I hoped. I posted las night about my disappointment with the Xbox Music app for local file playback.

I was expecting something cool like this:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=dY-kMewRJz4&desktop_uri=/watch?v=dY-kMewRJz4

Instead of the ugliness it turned out to be. Track 8 is more in the spirit of Zune Metro. Oh well.

The Xbox Music app is an abomination.

 

[Complex Shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WTYet-qf1jo

This summarizes a lot of what is wrong, and no it is not bad press, it is bad design. Sorry if old.

who uses the windows indeed.....

-sigh-

 

[Gattsu25]

That's not what Metro looked like. That's someone's idea of what he thought it SHOULD look like. It's in the first line:

You're misreading everything I just said. I'm talking about the metro design language, not the start screen/apps vs desktop. I'm just talking about how Metro, as a design language, looks like the shit back in 2006 and looks like shit now. This isn't a case of metro losing its luster, its literally a case of metro 1.0 looking better as a design language than metro 2.0.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

^ agreed.

The Xbox Music app is an abomination.

Considering Zune music Windows app was pretty damn decent and that Zune (the player) UI was good, I was really surprised to find that to be the case. Rather disappointing. Very bad to navigate with just a kb&m and no ever-present search bar are problems I expect they will resolve at some point. But yea, feels weird to see such backwards steps.

 

[maeh2k]

^ agreed.


Considering Zune music Windows app was pretty damn decent and that Zune (the player) UI was good, I was really surprised to find that to be the case. Rather disappointing. Very bad to navigate with just a kb&m and no ever-present search bar are problems I expect they will resolve at some point. But yea, feels weird to see such backwards steps.

Does the app support the search charm? Would be the Windows 8 way of handling search.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Does the app support the search charm? Would be the Windows 8 way of handling search.

Not sure. I'll play with it some more tonight. From what I recall, search disappeared when I started searching by artists. Makes sense that it might use the charms search.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

They should. Then they'd all be happy. But at least any laptop/tablet hybrid. 8 without touch is just dumb.

I guess that rules out the existing 2 billion or so PCs which are already installed worldwide. But that's MS for you. And they're acting all surprised now when 8 is facing a backlash even greater than Vista did, when OEMs are openly grousing about it to the press and when end users are openly rejecting it. The biggest mystery is how MS is completely shafting their corporate base, first with Windows Phone and now with Win8 they are making products which have zero chance of corporate adoption. I guess having too much money is as big a problem as having not enough when you're MS.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I guess that rules out the existing 2 billion or so PCs which are already installed worldwide. But that's MS for you.

Nah it's fine. Just kind of odd. Apps are clearly not designed for mice but they do work.

 

[I'm an expert]

I guess that rules out the existing 2 billion or so PCs which are already installed worldwide. But that's MS for you. And they're acting all surprised now when 8 is facing a backlash even greater than Vista did, when OEMs are openly grousing about it to the press and when end users are openly rejecting it. The biggest mystery is how MS is completely shafting their corporate base, first with Windows Phone and now with Win8 they are making products which have zero chance of corporate adoption. I guess having too much money is as big a problem as having not enough when you're MS.

Which is why I'm going to buy the Surface Pro.. I think.. do I really need legacy? Hrm.

 

[Pooya]

music app has search

It's just when you start typing it doesn't search, you have to bring up the search pane first, some of the other apps are like that too.

the pre loaded apps are just adequate, other than bing ones and email don't really like the rest.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

music app has search

It's just when you start typing it doesn't search, you have to bring up the search pane first, some of the other apps are like that too.

the pre loaded apps are just adequate, other than bing ones and email don't really like the rest.

ah okay. so it is the search button in the charms menu. okay.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Nope, not when every other metro app would have it there or on the bottom of the app bar as well. Although the bottom bar would be against the design guidelines.

Don't you think it's strange for every fucken metro app to hide tabs under a right click? You don't have a problem with that? It's absurd.

 

[JaggedSac]

Don't you think it's strange for every fucken metro app to hide tabs under a right click? You don't have a problem with that? It's absurd.

No, why do u think it is strange? Right click or a swipe from the top too much work? I'm a minimalist though, so maybe that accounts for it.

 

[Particle Physicist]

No, why do u think it is strange? Right click or a swipe from the top too much work? I'm a minimalist though, so maybe that accounts for it.

It's an awful design decision that gives you more steps to complete an action unnecessarily. You like it because you are a minimalist. Congrats. Minimalism is not always a good design choice for UI elements. It may look pretty, but it can be a flawed interface. It should have been an option. Not the main design.


It's not even about hiding the tabs. It's how they are accessed that is an awful decision.

 

[StudioTan]

It's an awful design decision that gives you more steps to complete an action unnecessarily. You like it because you are a minimalist. Congrats. Minimalism is not always a good design choice for UI elements. It may look pretty, but it can be a flawed interface. It should have been an option. Not the main design.


It's not even about hiding the tabs. It's how they are accessed that is an awful decision.

I love the minimalist designs. I don't need to see the menus 95% of the time. As for how they're accessed I don't see how right-clicking is an issue. When I want to access a desktop app menu item it's the exact same number of clicks.

 

[dLMN8R]

ah okay. so it is the search button in the charms menu. okay.

This is the second time on the same page now your criticisms have resulted in your lack of understanding basic concepts of the OS. To help save you time in the future:

-Right-click brings up the app bar in every app
-Searching works the exact same way in every app
-Sharing content works the exact same way in every app
-Settings for every app are located in the exact same place


Now that that learning curve is out of the way, hopefully it makes things easier for you to use.

 

[Emitan]

I've never ever liked the ribbon. It's always made me shudder since Office 07.

For once we agree on something.

 

[kitch9]

There is no such thing as "legacy software", as he's talking about Metro. Everything in Metro is new and independent from the desktop. They could have designed things differently (though whether those different ideas would have been better is a matter of debate).

To that end I agree. Not as cool as I hoped. I posted las night about my disappointment with the Xbox Music app for local file playback.

I was expecting something cool like this:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=dY-kMewRJz4&desktop_uri=/watch?v=dY-kMewRJz4

Instead of the ugliness it turned out to be. Track 8 is more in the spirit of Zune Metro. Oh well.

Lol no, Metro is a full screen Start with apps if you choose to use them.

There's no point discussing this with you any further until you actually use the OS for more than 20 minutes so you stop regurgitating every bit of fud you can find on the net and try to pass it off as fact.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Lol no, Metro is a full screen Start with apps if you choose to use them.

There's no point discussing this with you any further until you actually use the OS for more than 20 minutes so you stop regurgitating every bit of fud you can find on the net and try to pass it off as fact.

No idea what you're even talking about now. Was this somehow related to the quoted? No, I don't think you understood the vein of conversation. Like, at all.

and lol @ "..for more than 20 minutes...". I'm up around 100 hours now (3 format & reload-style clean install and setups WHILE teaching others the ropes). Not even sure what that moment of venting was about, but I lol'd anyway. Fanboys will be fanboys.

This is the second time on the same page now your criticisms have resulted in your lack of understanding basic concepts of the OS. To help save you time in the future:

You misunderstood. My issues with Xbox Music are far, far deeper than simple search. That was just an issue among many (in the case of music search, more options hidden under menus like right-clicking in IE for tabs, lol). But that was just more of a concern than anything else. The real criticism (if you'd like to call it that) is that Xbox Music isn't a very good application (design), irrespective of the search option location. That's what we were talking about and a number of others in this and the OT commented in agreement. The UI of the entire application compared to other applications (like Zune OS and Zune music player on Windows UI; not just where search was. It's just very plain-jane. Dry. Devoid of any meaningful features (even in the hidden settings section). Tons of space wasted. No way to quickly get to say...the R artists outside of Search (at least, not with a mouse and keyboard). Or, no way that's particularly intuitive or obvious. Let me know when you catch up. I don't know; I just figured that with how nice the Zune OS was and how nice the Zune Windows app was, some of that style and smoothness would have carried over to this music app but nope. It's probably the worst looking, uninspired and feature-devoid music app I've ever used. 3 cheers for more options than the default metro music app, though.

 

[tino]

I still don't understand how typing in start menu to find anything is an issue. you can find any app in 'all apps' too if you don't want to type.

Recovery in particular is part of control panel, typing it just takes you right in there. Windows 7 isn't any different.

Because many people (including me) are right brain people, we don't memorize item by their names, but rather the shapes and colors of items. Its vitally important to include icons with vibrant colors for the applications/apps. That's how we search an app and launch it.)

That's why a human interface, with text only, is very bad UI ergonomic.

Whoever designed MS's "metro" interface, are clearly ignorant of this idea.

 

[Frustrated_me]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WTYet-qf1jo

This summarizes a lot of what is wrong, and no it is not bad press, it is bad design. Sorry if old.

Umm this was awful, somewhere in the 17th minute mark he literally says you cannot launch apps in the new metro start screen. No really he says that as he's comparing it to the start menu of the past.

 

[Pooya]

Because many people (including me) are right brain people, we don't memorize item by their names, but rather the shapes and colors of items. Its vitally important to include icons with vibrant colors for the applications/apps. That's how we search an app and launch it.)

That's why a human interface, with text only, is very bad UI ergonomic.

Whoever designed MS's "metro" interface, are clearly ignorant of this idea.

but there are icons for everything, searching has nothing to do with metro design, you don't have to search, it's only faster. You can go to control panel and click recovery. This is like how every OS out there works. Do you expect to have every single icon in the system to be in home screen of the device you use? well, that would be very bad interface, specially for something like Recovery that no one uses often.

this isn't even about metro at all, it's like the frustration coming from other aspect is making imaginary issues in the head of that youtube guy. you do the same on windows 7.

 

[tino]

but there are icons for everything, searching has nothing to do with metro design, you don't have to search, it's only faster. You can go to control panel and click recovery. This is like how every OS out there works. Do you expect to have every single icon in the system to be in home screen of the device you use? well, that would be very bad interface, specially for something like Recovery that no one uses often.

this isn't even about metro at all, it's like the frustration coming from other aspect is making imaginary issues in the head of that youtube guy. you do the same on windows 7.

Right. Both W7 and W8 have the problem of taking out the sub folders in the start menu.

If I want to for example, put all the video editing tools in a sub folder, I can't do that. I have to remember the freaking name of the subtitle tool I used once last year in order to bring it up. However I usually only remember the color/shape of the program icon. This is not a problem with XP.

That's why I got a X301 which still support XP drivers.

The lack of sub menu is a problem in W7 you can get around with a few hacks. Its a lot worse in W8's UI. Also when I said the text only UI, I meant the Windows Phone 7 UI specifically.

 

[MrHicks]

i hope MS doesn't freak out too much over this
i like win8

if they panic god knows what a clusterfuck win9 will be

 

[Angelus Errare]

i hope MS doesn't freak out too much over this
i like win8

if they panic god knows what a clusterfuck win9 will be

Really? They freaked out over Vista backlash and we got Windows 7 as the result.