vista was great after a while
the "perception" that is sucked ass would never go away though so
Windows 8's uptake falls behind Vista's pace
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vista was great after a while
the "perception" that is sucked ass would never go away though so
unrenowned
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Wouldn't adding those video editing tools to their own tile work (would show their icons)?
Or adding them as sub-folders on the start menu and show all apps (would show them grouped by their sub folder)?
Angelus Errare
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Yea "after a while" as in years later. And it did suck ass at first.
Can you not just make a subfolder in All Programs?
What? Do you know anything about design, at all? Metro was chosen because it's the same design style found in almost every single airport, transit station and subway system in the world. Combining simple icons with text is easy to look at and conveys it's message well - and you say it's an awful design decision? Give me a break.
Plus it uses a grid structure which is even better than an arbitrary list of tiny program icons in older start menus...
Angelus Errare
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There are still sub folders in W7 unless I'm missing what you're talking about.
So you've used the os for 100 hours, and you state everything in Start is new.....
Okaaaay.
Start in 8 contains a few select Metro apps by default and the usual Shortcuts the old start had....
You are either massively over complicating what Start is, or after 100 hours you still don't understand it...
Apple and Android both have poor apps also, it's nothing new, but we aren't even discussing apps.
of course you can. you can do so in 8 as well.
edit: It's even same thing in XP too, or any start menu since forever.
Vista wasn't solid until around the time of SP2, which is way too long.
What games?
touchpad gestures are meant to mimic a touch screen. So yes there is swiping. But when using the touchpad like a mouse, (moving the cursor) there is no swiping, you use the left corner to do the task switching and the scroll bar to move left, right.
How do you right click and create a new empty folder in Start menu> "All programs?"
Watching it crash and burn is incredibly pleasing. Bring back the traditional interface, banish the idea of the store forever.
Hopefully Microsoft will see the error of their ways and go back to a formula that works with Windows 9. Maybe they'll even start to make amends as soon as SP1 rolls around, that would be a nice gesture.
Hopefully Microsoft will see the error of their ways and go back to a formula that works with Windows 9. Maybe they'll even start to make amends as soon as SP1 rolls around, that would be a nice gesture.
The same way that you switch tabs in Metro apps, apparently... by using an unexplained process
Creating sub folders in the start menu is a power user function; switching tabs is basic square fucking one functionality, on the other hand.
Dreams-Visions
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/28/3812264/fujitsu-blames-windows-8-for-lackluster-sales
Fujitsu blaming Microsoft. I'd blame Fujitsu's shitty designs as well.
Fujitsu blaming Microsoft. I'd blame Fujitsu's shitty designs as well.
It's funny that their story on Dell being pleased with Windows 8 sales only has 10% of the comments and was never featured for two days.
I saw a Fujitsu Win8 tablet/convertible the other day and it was gigantic. Dunno why Japanese PC manufactures love heavy devices.
I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about. Show me a video how to create new sub folder in w7 start menu.
PetriP-TNT
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I don't know, I am using Vista right now and it's still quite shitty compared to W7. Of course it was W2000 shitty at first, even worse even, but Windows 7 really took all the good features from XP and Vista and left most of the shitty ones behind. Only thing W7 misses is fucking tabs in Windows Explorer and W8 still doesn't have that.
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs. Create new folder etc.
Bullshit. Ribbons UI was a necessary move in order to make Office more userfriendly, because with all the options implemented in Office applications, the interface was more and more complex and clunky. Ribbons helped exposing options that many people didn't even know exist because they were hidden behind complicated menu trees. With ribbons all options are visible and easily available. While designing the whole ribbon interface Microsoft did a lot of usability research with users - both experienced ones and unexperienced. Just watch this presentation: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbon.aspx
The same applies to implementing ribbon in Explorer. Many options, that were hidden behind menus, right-click or shortcuts are now exposed. So someone, who doesn't know that Ctrl + A selects all items, now can simply click the "Select all" icon that is right there in the toolbar.
Windows 8 and Metro was clearly designed with the tablet in mind. And for a desktop/laptop that doesn't use touch, this is wrong. How can you even defend that?
I've used Windows 8 on the new laptop that I got for my parents. It's confusing as hell. The only thing that makes it usable is the old desktop. I used the metro IE. Switching tabs feels like an impossible and frustrating task.
I've used Windows 8 on the new laptop that I got for my parents. It's confusing as hell. The only thing that makes it usable is the old desktop. I used the metro IE. Switching tabs feels like an impossible and frustrating task.
Dreams-Visions
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good read.
did you have your browser open to a page from a week ago or something? we've long, long, long moved past talking about ribbons. catch up.
nobody liked the ribbons at launch. they grew to accept them over time, like most changes.
Monumental
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Well...exactly! When you're a company like Microsoft and hundreds of millions of people are affected by even the tiniest change, of course you're going to hear a lot of noise about it, despite whether or not its justified. But just like ANYTHING, people will eventually accept it. Same thing will happen with the Metro UI.
If by "week ago" you mean "yesterday", then... still no.
Just wanted to put my 2 cents in. And I really recommend watching the video.
Dunno about "nobody", but many people didn't like ribbon without even trying it just because it was different. I know, because I was such a person. I didn't want to install Office 2007 because I thought the ribbon is stupid just by looking at the new UI. And I know at least few people who acted the same way. However, once I used it, I didn't want to go back.
People will always be opposite to drastic changes simply because it forces them to relearn stuff. Doesn't always mean those changes are bad.
That said, I still think Metro UI in Windows 8, on desktop, isn't carefully thought out. It is functional, but there are many annoyances that makes things unnecessarily complicated or hard to learn/understand.
Damon Bennet
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that is what I dont understand. a short video intro would have been easy to implement and helped a lot. but whatevs, I could use windows 8 perfectly the first time i used it, since I actually informed myself.
Iced_Eagle
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There is a video that plays when you log in for the first time. It shows you how to get to the charms with a mouse and with touch, if you have touch hardware on your PC. It's very simple, but gets the job done, because that's really all you need to know from the start.
Though I agree that the negative reaction to Vista was overblown, let's not re-write history to make it some sort of innocent victim of hysteria. Vista deserves to go down in infamy if only for the 'Vista Capable' disgrace. Microsoft in collaboration with hardware vendors knowingly sold a defective product to millions of people.
Angelus Errare
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That's assuming everyone sits in front of their PC while Windows 8 is installing. Which is funny when you consider that MS has gone on record to make it one of their goals with Vista onward compared to XP is quicker more streamlined installs that require less interaction from the user.
Just picked up the Lenovo Yoga, and its my first experience with windows8. I think it even booted up to a quick tutorial (very basic). I was pretty much functional within the first 15 - 30 minutes, then spend the better part of a day just playing with it. Reading about the keyboard shortcuts; it's almost all about the windows key + ..., and search. I cant stress this enough: Windows key+X/Win + C are your friends.
The only real problems I've come across are the "white list" in IE 10 and general application compatibility issues (specifically GNS3). Outside of that it boots wicked fast, runs wicked smooth, and I frequently jump in and out of metro to the desktop and visa versa. The desktop is for very granular editing, creation oriented stuffs, and meaningful configuration changes, while metro is mainly a consumption interface. as I say, I swap in and out of both effectively, and this is also the first time I've actually enjoyed using IE! (at least until we get a metro version of chrome)
I've only had this for about 72 hours, but I like it, plus the hardware takes great advantage of the OS by going full tablet when needed.
The only real problems I've come across are the "white list" in IE 10 and general application compatibility issues (specifically GNS3). Outside of that it boots wicked fast, runs wicked smooth, and I frequently jump in and out of metro to the desktop and visa versa. The desktop is for very granular editing, creation oriented stuffs, and meaningful configuration changes, while metro is mainly a consumption interface. as I say, I swap in and out of both effectively, and this is also the first time I've actually enjoyed using IE! (at least until we get a metro version of chrome)
I've only had this for about 72 hours, but I like it, plus the hardware takes great advantage of the OS by going full tablet when needed.
Delusibeta
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I've gone over this already. tl;dr it's entirely useless and doesn't go into nearly enough detail for anyone coming in blind.
I actually liked them, though I did have to do some relearning to use them. They follow a lot of good user interface principles.
Though, I really wish you could search for menu commands by name. I've wished for that for years, but recently discovered Ubuntu lets you do that.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
SapientWolf
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That would help, but the core problem is that the OS feels like two different OSs welded together. One for tablets and one for desktops. The fact that it's not intuitive is a huge mark against it.
Because you don't like someone's customised start menu? That's not what it looks like by default under Windows 7.Because this is slow:
Unless I've customised mine so much that I no longer remember the default... I'm pretty sure the focus is on recently used programs. Search and pinned programs do the rest.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Twirling down folders is just as bad. What if the program isn't recently used? What if you can't remember the name of the program you want?
I don't know why people are so enamored with the Start menu, I've always found it slow and clunky as a launcher.
The old start menu is better for businesses that have dozens of apps and want there to be consistency with app launch placement. Basically you need to learn to hit WinKey+ type app name if you do software development, otherwise you'll have to parse people's start screens or go to all apps to find what you want. The pitfall of customized start screens, which I favor for home use, is that it makes things different per PC at work.
You don't have to use it if you don't want to. There are a number of ways to open up paint in a traditional windows environment.
Angelus Errare
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Damon Bennet
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how many clicks till you can open the on-screen magnifying lens?
the start menu simply is slow and cluttered with its many layers
But you can pin any program there. Or you can make a shortcut. Or you can type it in the search. Or you can put it on the quick launch bar. Hell, you could have it start with Windows if you'd like.
Synth_floyd
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Windows 8 is primarily a tablet OS, right? Apple and Google have spent years building up their library of apps and fine tuning their OSes. What good reason does anyone have to go for Windows 8 when you could go for iOS or Android?
Uno Venova
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You can just search for it.
Uno Venova
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Well the start menu already did that without taking up the whole screen.
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