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brotkasten said:
An official WLM by Microsoft would be as useless as the 3rd party one we already have. Nobody outside the WP team and few selected partners are allowed to code natively for the OS, not even other teams at MS. Without socket support in the SDK we won't see anything good. Still curious to see how good IM+ is going to be pre-Mango.
I just want a competent messenger to talk to my friends across the world. Yahoo Messenger is the only one that actually doesn't sign you out that often but it drains your battery life fast.
 
brotkasten said:
I'm going to update the OP on the 24th or 25th with pretty pictures and everything, until then, here's the list.


snip Mango Mongo list...


When I bought my Windows Phone in December 10 while everyone was saying ... buh buh buh...copy/paste... ;)

I said to myself, I saw what Ms did with Xbox live software from the launch of 360 to now I KNEW they would be all over this shit. :D
 
PG2G said:
Another day, more Mango

http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-...-7-5-features-email-conversation-view-on-tap/

This is business oriented functionality, but it looks like we'll be getting conversation view for email and support for hidden wifi networks.

Nice!
  • Pinnable email folders: Pin a folder to the start screen for quick access. This could be an email folder for a specific project, from a specific group or person (like your boss), or an RSS feed you’ve set up in Outlook.
  • Conversation view in email: Emails in your inbox are organized by conversation, bringing replies to a thread into a consolidated view so it’s faster and easier to stay on top of the conversation.
  • Server search: Search your email server (e.g. Exchange Server) for older emails no longer stored on your phone, giving you ready access to all of your mail.
  • Lync: Lync Mobile brings the Lync experience to Windows Phone customers by delivering Unified Communications capabilities, including instant messaging and the ability to see the presence of your co-workers. The Lync app will be a free download from Windows Phone Marketplace and will be enabled with support from your business organization.
  • Security: Complex (alpha-numeric) password support
  • Rights management: Information Rights Management support for protecting e-mails and Office documents
  • Wireless improvements: Support for access to hidden corporate Wi-Fi networks
 
mango really is exceeding expectations, I just hope we see it arrive in the fall rather than winter and we get some nice compelling hardware to go along with the release. I live my hd7 but the poor battery life and poor camera really annoy me.
 
jagowar said:
Man mango is gonna have a ton of stuff.... it very well might be the single biggest update to a mobile OS ever.


When you're missing so much from the start, it's hard not to be.

But all ribbing a aside, this is excellent news for any potential smartphone owner. Having 3 legitament operating systems to choose from, means a lot more competition now. More competition means quicker updates to each platform, so we all win in the end.
 
I keep reading that Mango will have a ton of stuff, but I've yet to hear about one feature that is going to bring much. What is the one feature that all smartphone owners should look forward to, no matter their background? It feels like Windows phones are still playing catchup to android.
 
kinggroin said:
When you're missing so much from the start, it's hard not to be.

But all ribbing a aside, this is excellent news for any potential smartphone owner. Having 3 legitament operating systems to choose from, means a lot more competition now. More competition means quicker updates to each platform, so we all win in the end.
exactly, look at what Samsung is doing with touchwiz on Android. it takes many elements from wp7 and implements it for their UI. Google is now going to be working harder with makers and carriers to get updates out. all this because Microsoft is on their ass.

anyway, when do we expect MS to officially show off Mango and the new phones to be released? I'm dying to see Samsung show a galaxy S2 equivalent and possibly a high end Nokia.
 
Gabyskra said:
I keep reading that Mango will have a ton of stuff, but I've yet to hear about one feature that is going to bring much. What is the one feature that all smartphone owners should look forward to, no matter their background? It feels like Windows phones are still playing catchup to android.
Not to hate, but why does this feel like a joke/troll bate post?
 
Hammer24 said:
While its nice to read up un that Mango stuff, I´m still waiting for the first update. Doesn´t make me any more optimistic.
How is that possible? On what carrier are you?

thirty said:
anyway, when do we expect MS to officially show off Mango and the new phones to be released? I'm dying to see Samsung show a galaxy S2 equivalent and possibly a high end Nokia.
Unveiling on May 24th, new devices this Fall.
 
Brettison said:
Not to hate, but why does this feel like a joke/troll bate post?

I'm asking for a great feature that I should be excited about! I'm genuinely interested. I don't care about password encryption, etc. I'm not into fanboyism (I have a Zune HD and I reside in France, it's not sold here, I had to import it and pay quite a bit, if that tells you how I feel about microsoft's products). In this instance, I feel like WP7 is taking too long to improve.
 
Gabyskra said:
I'm asking for a great feature that I should be excited about! I'm genuinely interested. I don't care about password encryption, etc. I'm not into fanboyism (I have a Zune HD and I reside in France, it's not sold here, I had to import it and pay quite a bit, if that tells you how I feel about microsoft's products). In this instance, I feel like WP7 is taking too long to improve.

The fact that you're using password encryption as your example tells me you haven't really looked into what Mango is adding. How about instant messaging integrated into the OS? How about enhanced live tiles? Significant performance improvements? Turn-by-turn directions? All of the additional APIs that will allow developers to create apps with all of the same functionality as their iOS and Android counterparts?

Mango is pretty much bringing WP7 to parity with Android and iOS while still maintaining and improving in its own innovative areas.
 
Gabyskra said:
I'm asking for a great feature that I should be excited about! I'm genuinely interested. I don't care about password encryption, etc. I'm not into fanboyism (I have a Zune HD and I reside in France, it's not sold here, I had to import it and pay quite a bit, if that tells you how I feel about microsoft's products). In this instance, I feel like WP7 is taking too long to improve.

I'm pretty much excited for the entire update, but bolded some key/unique changes:

brotkasten said:
I'm going to update the OP on the 24th or 25th with pretty pictures and everything, until then, here's the list.

Updated minimum hardware requirements:
  • Qualcomm second generation Snapdragon CPUs: MSM7x30, MSM8x55 w/HSPA+ and LTE support
  • Optional gyro

New features:
  • Fast app switching
  • Background audio, downloads, alarms for 3rd party apps
    [*]Twitter integration
    [*]Live Messenger integration
    [*]Facebook chat integration
    [*]AIM integration
  • Group SMS
    [*]Office 356 integration
    [*]Better Skydrive integration
    [*]Facebook Places integration
  • New Games Hub
    [*]Lock screen improvements with Now Playing for media
  • Visual Voicemail (using OMTP)
  • New battery saving features
  • WiFi hotspot support
  • Filtered app list with jump list and search-as-you-type
  • Reorganized marketplace with more visible meta data (rating, price, publisher) and pivot controls
  • Podcast in the marketplace (U.S. only)
  • Improved buying process with pivot controls
    [*]Multiple live tiles per app, allowing deeplinks to specific app functions
  • East Asian Language Keyboard, Handwriting and Dictionary Support

Developers
  • Access to ringtone API, allowing apps for custom ringtones
    [*]Socket support for developers, enabling Voice-over-IP and instant messaging
  • Camera, compass and gyro access for developers (Sensors API)
    [*]XNA+Silverlight apps
  • a gazilion other things I forgot


Internet Explorer 9:
  • Same rendering engine as the desktop version
  • Full HTML5 compatibility
  • Hardware acceleration
  • Background music playback support for IE9
  • Tabs shown as apps in task-switching screen

Bing
  • Bing image search
    [*]Bing Audio search
    [*]Bing Vision (optical character recognition)
  • Bing search extras
  • Turn-by-Turn navigation
 
While I would love to have more updates to the platform now, I have to say this one huge overhaul is probably a best way to go. Windows Phone 7 is pretty much dead in the water at the moment. The growth is nominal at best and hasn't exactly excited the mass, thanks to poorly launch event (or none-event) and follow up with poor post launch from buggy hardware(s), update debacles and crappy PR by Windows Phone team.

I think this is great opportunity for them to do full launch of "complete" platform. A do-over of a do-over so to speak.

Mango will be a real contender if all that reveal so far make it into the release (and they can make the release schedule). What they are showing so far is quite ambitious and I am hoping that they are not again over-promise then under-deliver.

Anyway, one thing I really hope for and seems they are going to deliver is better Xbox integration. It is clear that mobile phone / pad are going to be the portable gaming devices for many and the current implementation is half-ass and really doesn't take advantage of what Xbox Live have to offer.

I can't wait for full Mango reveal and hopefully they will have more solid time frame about next wave of devices and when we can expect Mango phone.

May be we should get new thread?
 
Earl Cazone said:
brotkasten will have one up after the "full" reveal on may 24th.
Whoa, buddy. Calm down, okay? :D I said I'd update the OP and maybe replace some bits and pieces, instead of just updating the future section. I never said I'd already do a new OT. if someone wants to do that, please, go ahead. If you need any info or material, just ask. Also, a new gaming ot would be nice.
 
brotkasten said:
Whoa, buddy. Calm down, okay? :D I said I'd update the OP and maybe replace some bits and pieces, instead of just updating the future section. I never said I'd already do a new OT. if someone wants to do that, please, go ahead. If you need any info or material, just ask. Also, a new gaming ot would be nice.

oh, oops, i thought you would make a new thread. but just updating this one works too
 
Well, my OT for the MIX presentation was an abject failure, so a new Mango OT is up for grabs
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ok, I'm on a mission to get camera settings saved by the next update. please let the windows phone team know that's something you want via windows phone twitter and their Facebook page. I'd post direct links but am busy at work still.

oh, heard smart DJ is in mango, yay.
 
thirty said:
ok, I'm on a mission to get camera settings saved by the next update. please let the windows phone team know that's something you want via windows phone twitter and their Facebook page. I'd post direct links but am busy at work still.

oh, heard smart DJ is in mango, yay.

I was the one who pushed them on their blog and got them to admit it was a "feature". Ill definitely keep pushing them although I think they got the message.
 
Oh dear. Rumor mill has it that Sprint will be getting the iPhone.

Decisions... decisions...

Reasons to choose WP7 over next iPhone 4S or whatever?

I'll start with one: iTunes sucks.
 
will all windows phones receive the latest updates like they did with zune? i'm thinking of buying a focus but don't wanna be gimped with the outdated software in the long run.
 
Joe said:
will all windows phones receive the latest updates like they did with zune? i'm thinking of buying a focus but don't wanna be gimped with the outdated software in the long run.
Yes, every first gen Windows Phone 7 will get the Mango update.
 
I went to my local at&t store today and they have completely remove all Windows Phone 7 display .... there is not a single sign left. All the demo phones are gone. Not sure if they are planning a new promotion or what.

Anyway play with the new Infuze, that is one big screen. It would be nice to get WP7 version of that phone.
 
antiquegamer said:
I went to my local at&t store today and they have completely remove all Windows Phone 7 display .... there is not a single sign left. All the demo phones are gone. Not sure if they are planning a new promotion or what.

Anyway play with the new Infuze, that is one big screen. It would be nice to get WP7 version of that phone.

You should have asked them :)
 
On a side note I know it's not the gaming thread, but I hardly ever post on the gaming side anymore. That whole stealth delay in that big group of 6 games SUCKED BIG TIME. I know we are supposedly starting it by the end of the month, but it just felt like another example of all the problems they've been having so far with the platform as a whole.
 
MCD said:
As far as I know, nope, it is not.
Mango supports 16 new languages.

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It would help to mention which languages you mean.

Brettison said:
On a side note I know it's not the gaming thread, but I hardly ever post on the gaming side anymore. That whole stealth delay in that big group of 6 games SUCKED BIG TIME. I know we are supposedly starting it by the end of the month, but it just felt like another example of all the problems they've been having so far with the platform as a whole.
Worst part is that all games are already done. I bet Angry Birds for WP is the vanilla version.
 
numble said:
None of those are right to left, like Arabic and Persian.
That's what I was asking for. I thought Arabic would be in, but it's not even in the expanded market for app development.

MCD said:
Yup, Hebrew, Persian and Arabic are RTL and MS is ignoring it.
I think the problem here is to translate the Metro UI well enough. They already said it took them some time to get it for the Asian languages right.
 
antiquegamer said:
They were all busy, and I just go in to pay my bill (automate machine). I am assuming they are just rearranging though it was disheartening to see.
I can think of two reasons:

-the launch period is long gone with no new phones out (htc hd7s should've been out by now) I'm actually surprised the displays stayed up that long. In my local store, they are STILL up. But I guess that was what "premier partner" meant. I'm willing to bet they have sold more wp7 devices than anyone else.

-I'll have to look this up, but I'm pretty sure they'll be doing another similar promotion with the mango devices this fall. What I would change if I were microsoft is the fact that, although the displays were nice, it was clear that the employees were not properly schooled on the benefits of the os.
 
It's interesting how it works in Canada for commercials. I think Apple likes carriers to use their commercials so sometimes it's an iPhone commercial followed by a carrier logo. Otherwise, it's just a carrier commercial and they'll always showcase one WP7 handset (one of the two or so each carrier has), an Android handset (usually the new hot one), and a BlackBerry handset (almost always Torch).
 
brotkasten said:
Mango supports 16 new languages.

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It would help to mention which languages you mean.


Worst part is that all games are already done. I bet Angry Birds for WP is the vanilla version.
Heh, they say, "Hello world."
 
Any word if the upcoming Mango phones will support nVidia Tegra2 or Tegra3 chipsets....

I would really like to get some dual or quad core love on WP7 :)
 
Kleegamefan said:
Any word if the upcoming Mango phones will support nVidia Tegra2 or Tegra3 chipsets....

I would really like to get some dual or quad core love on WP7 :)
Maybe dual core, but I doubt we see any quad core phones this year regardless of what OS.

Any reason why you feel you need the extra power though?
 
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