Support NeoGAF

[Anton Sugar]

looks way too plastic but i'm sold on s-amoled+. no way my next phone not have it.

Same.

 

[venne]

well, nokia better use some of that marketing money to buy shelf space at retail. if nokia fails, wp7 will fail.

I still think WP7 is a stopgap measure until Windows 8 hits phones next year. WP7 is Microsoft's transition OS for phones.

 

[thirty]

I still think WP7 is a stopgap measure until Windows 8 hits phones next year. WP7 is Microsoft's transition OS for phones.

IMO, there won't be a WP8 if these second gen WP7 phones don't sell.

 

[jagowar]

IMO, there won't be a WP8 if these second gen WP7 phones don't sell.

If wp7 second gen does not sell well then it just means the w8 versions will come faster.... there is .000000001% chance ms gets out of the mobile game. They will have something and will keep trying until they get some marketshare.

If wp7 mango fails it just pushes windows 8 on phones out the door faster imo.

 

[venne]

IMO, there won't be a WP8 if these second gen WP7 phones don't sell.

Mobile presents the largest opportunity for Microsoft to grow profit and revenue. No way they pull out.

 

[Robobandit]

MS is definitely not going to abandon mobile anytime soon.

The market is too large to ignore..

I think with new devices and the new features in Mango things will pick up.

Sales staff education is going to be important, though.. they can't afford to have people confusing them with "windows mobile" at this point.

 

[brotkasten]

IMO, there won't be a WP8 if these second gen WP7 phones don't sell.

I don't see MS dropping out of the market anytime soon. Windows Phone 7 is not the KIN.

 

[thirty]

Mobile presents the largest opportunity for Microsoft to grow profit and revenue. No way they pull out.

who says they'll pull out. bing is already better on iphone. ms will just expand on that and try to partner with apple/google and/or the phone makers to incorporate xbox live and zune music.

 

[VanMardigan]

I like Windows 8 on tablets. I'll even tolerate it on laptops and desktops. But hell naw to Windows 8 on phones unless they have something we ain't seeing. The current OS is super optimized for mobile, and the last thing we need is another WinMo disaster where MS tries to cram PC design principles into mobile phones. Remember the start button on phones? I do, it was awful. They have the right phone OS. All they need with Windows 8 is compatibility and integration, not interface or design.

 

[thirty]

I like Windows 8 on tablets. I'll even tolerate it on laptops and desktops. But hell naw to Windows 8 on phones unless they have something we ain't seeing. The current OS is super optimized for mobile, and the last thing we need is another WinMo disaster where MS tries to cram PC design principles into mobile phones. Remember the start button on phones? I do, it was awful. They have the right phone OS. All they need with Windows 8 is compatibility and integration, not interface or design.

i think they meant windows phone 8, not windows 8 on phone

 

[venne]

who says they'll pull out. bing is already better on iphone. ms will just expand on that and try to partner with apple/google to incorporate xbox live and zune music.

You did.

You said they would pull out of the mobile OS scene if mango fails to sell.

 

[gcubed]

I don't see MS dropping out of the market anytime soon. Windows Phone 7 is not the KIN.

with the nokia deal it guarantee's MS will stay in for a while, whether they sell or not. Nokia made it so MS can still compete even if 3rd party phone manufacturers bail on them. WebOS still chugs along, I can't imagine that MS will stay so low forever, by sheer will and brute advertising push they should start creeping back up.

 

[jagowar]

i think they meant windows phone 8, not windows 8 on phone

I meant windows 8.... Its very obvious the next major version will run on a newer core than wp7 (which runs on an old ass wince kernel). At very least they will update the wp7 ideas to run on a newer kernel.

I can still see and in some ways hope full blown windows 8 comes to a phone. It's buttonless design would allow for larger screens on the phone. The big advantage of this happening is a universal app store (and the real reason I think this happens because that app store would be by far the largest in the world). I also couple this with my idea of the next xbox running on windows 8 as its underlying OS.

The idea of buying an app one place and getting it on the phone, pc/tablet and tv is very powerful.

 

[thirty]

You did.

You said they would pull out of the mobile OS scene if mango fails to sell.

i said there wouldn't be a windows phone 8.

they will still be in the mobile space with bing, xbox live, and zune for competing devices if that happens.

 

[thirty]

with the nokia deal it guarantee's MS will stay in for a while, whether they sell or not. Nokia made it so MS can still compete even if 3rd party phone manufacturers bail on them. WebOS still chugs along, I can't imagine that MS will stay so low forever, by sheer will and brute advertising push they should start creeping back up.

so we're comparing WP to WebOS now? i'd rather see Microsoft services on competing devices.

 

[venne]

i think they meant windows phone 8, not windows 8 on phone

No, I think Windows 8 will be in the phone. Of course it will be optimized for the device; a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense on the phone will simply be trimmed.

They might very well brand it Windows Phone 8, but I think that difference will only be semantic.

 

[MCD]

I said I won't be getting a 2nd gen device BUT DAT 4.3 SUPER AMOLED MMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[VanMardigan]

so we're comparing WP to WebOS now? i'd rather see Microsoft services on competing devices.

I'd rather use Windows Phone 7 than Zune on iPhone. I didn't jump because I NEEDED Office or Xbox on my phone, it was the whole vision and design and the way the OS centers around me, the hub designs etc. that drew me to Windows Phone. Having all these services is icing on the cake.

I said I won't be getting a 2nd gen device BUT DAT 4.3 SUPER AMOLED MMMMMMMMMMMMM

Super AMOLED PLUS *drools*

 

[brotkasten]

i said there wouldn't be a windows phone 8.

they will still be in the mobile space with bing, xbox live, and zune for competing devices if that happens.

There will be a Windows Phone OS 8. They just paid Nokia a billion or more to replace Windows Phone with Symbian. They're not bailing on this one.

 

[thirty]

I'd rather use Windows Phone 7 than Zune on iPhone

i would too but would you like your wp7 device as much if it was getting the next to nothing support that webOS is getting now? no XBL game of the week, updates fewer and farther between, etc etc. i don't want that for windows phone, that's a slow death.

 

[Robobandit]

Super AMOLED PLUS *drools*

Indeed.

Sign me up for day 1 when it comes out here.. I'll drop my focus like a bad habit.

 

[thirty]

There will be a Windows Phone OS 8. They just paid Nokia a billion or more to replace Windows Phone with Symbian. They're not bailing on this one.

i hope you're right.

mango, save us!!!

 

[Klocker]

.... there is .000000001% chance ms gets out of the mobile game.

yep... see Xbox 1 for road map to MS's plan here IMO... get your lunch eaten overall at first. Gain a small but loyal user base who appreciate what they do differently and hang in while making calculated moves until the moment presents itself for a big step up into prime time.

Indeed.

Sign me up for day 1 when it comes out here.. I'll drop my focus like a bad habit.

oh yea... Day 1 (or when contract is up)

 

[kehs]

There will be a Windows Phone OS 8. They just paid Nokia a billion or more to replace Windows Phone with Symbian. They're not bailing on this one.

WP7 is a stopgapp for Microsoft until they get W8 on mobile devices

WP7 is a stopgapp for Nokia until they get the Maemo crew to clear their lockers for the Meego guys.

Two sinking ships tied together until they send out their respective replacements.

 

[brotkasten]

WP7 is a stopgapp for Microsoft until they get W8 on mobile devices

WP7 is a stopgapp for Nokia until they get the Maemo crew to clear their lockers for the Meego guys.

Two sinking ships tied together until they send out their respective replacements.

Won't disagree on this one.

 

[Jadedx]

WP7 is a stopgapp for Microsoft until they get W8 on mobile devices

WP7 is a stopgapp for Nokia until they get the Maemo crew to clear their lockers for the Meego guys.

Two sinking ships tied together until they send out their respective replacements.

I completely disagree with both points.

 

[brotkasten]

I completely disagree with both points.

Microsoft has to replace the Windows Phone OS kernel. It could be the CE7 kernel or the Windows 8 kernel, which runs on ARM.

People seem to forget that the Zune HD OS and Windows Phone 7 look just like the Windows XP we all hate love. The touch interface is just a layer on top of that. Kinda like the kiosk mode in Windows Media Center. Just because Windows Phone 8 runs the Windows 8 kernel (or better MinWin), it doesn't mean it has to look like it.

 

[jagowar]

i said there wouldn't be a windows phone 8.

they will still be in the mobile space with bing, xbox live, and zune for competing devices if that happens.

I think that has been one of their bigger mistakes in not bringing their staples to other os's.... they should have a zune and office client on other platforms but make sure its the best on your own platform. Think zune streaming only on android/ios, etc. That way you get the cross compatibility people are looking for but the superior integration in your own platform.

Gmail is a good example of this where most platforms support gmail but the best is on android.... the ms staples should be like this imo.

 

[brotkasten]

I think that has been one of their bigger mistakes in not bringing their staples to other os's.... they should have a zune and office client on other platforms but make sure its the best on your own platform. Think zune streaming only on android/ios, etc. That way you get the cross compatibility people are looking for but the superior integration in your own platform.

Gmail is a good example of this where most platforms support gmail but the best is on android.... the ms staples should be like this imo.

It's a matter of resources. Microsoft can't even bring Zune to the Mac and you want apps for iOS and Android? Not that you can compare both apps, but you get what I mean.

 

[tino]

If wp7 second gen does not sell well then it just means the w8 versions will come faster.... there is .000000001% chance ms gets out of the mobile game. They will have something and will keep trying until they get some marketshare.

If wp7 mango fails it just pushes windows 8 on phones out the door faster imo.

If WP7 fails MS will buy RIM and come back and try again.

 

[Sec0nd]

Any speculation on when this new Samsung phone might hit the stores? I'm still rocking an old Nokia phone and I pretty much need a smart phone. I'm going to buy the Focus unless the new one hits the stores in a month or two.

 

[brotkasten]

Google's new UI style reminds me of metro. Is something wrong with me?

Any speculation on when this new Samsung phone might hit the stores? I'm still rocking an old Nokia phone and I pretty much need a smart phone. I'm going to buy the Focus unless the new one hits the stores in a month or two.

We know that the OS update is coming this fall and devices will probably launch in the same time frame. The phones last year launched in October and November. I don't think it will be later than that.

 

[kehs]

Google's new UI style reminds me of metro. Is something wrong with me?

Nope, they're moving in a similar direction(lightweight both visually and in terms of data needs). I actually don't like the new look of the android market. It's like a bad interpretation of why Metro is nice looking.

 

[VanMardigan]

Won't disagree on this one.

So Nokia is biding their time until their meego takeover? You two are hilarious.

 

[brotkasten]

So Nokia is biding their time until their meego takeover? You two are hilarious.

Thanks, I'll try my best to entertain you guys with my posts. :lol

But seriously, Nokia said that they'd continue to work on MeeGo, iirc. Officially not as a replacement for Windows Phone, but they do need something in case WP7 fails and come on, MeeGo on the N9 does look good.

Also:

Support for years AND software updates? Doesn't sound like a dead platform to me.

btw, where the hell is your avatar?

 

[kehs]

So Nokia is biding their time until their meego takeover? You two are hilarious.

Short of an upcoming full merger nobody knows about*, Nokia would be insane to put the entire companie's stake on Microsoft's licesned software.

Even with Motorola going full force with android they still have their own OS in house.


*which might be the case...*

 

[whatsinaname]

The unlocked version of Dell Venue Pro is on sale (AT&T and T-Mobile) for $299. [ebay daily deal. Dell store]

Just bought one. Plant to use it for a month or two and then pass it on to my father once his current phone croaks. (It is dying right now). Any issue with Mango dev build? Is it easy to install it?

Also, will 3G work if I just take my iPhone's SIM and put it into the phone? (I use Wi-Fi most of the time, so not a huge issue for me)

 

[Robobandit]

There are a few issues with the mango dev build.. but no show stoppers that I've found.

Some missing features, but my focus has been perfectly stable.

If you have something other than an iPhone 4 (i.e. iPhone 3G or 3GS), you'll be able to pop your sim into the venue pro.

If you have an iPhone 4, that won't be possible as it uses a micro sim and the venue pro (and most other phones) use a standard sim card.

There are unofficial ways to install the mango build.. doesn't seem particularly complicated..

http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/get_the_mango_update_now._without_being_a_developer.-06-30-11

 

[whatsinaname]

There are a few issues with the mango dev build.. but no show stoppers that I've found.

Some missing features, but my focus has been perfectly stable.

If you have something other than an iPhone 4 (i.e. iPhone 3G or 3GS), you'll be able to pop your sim into the venue pro.

If you have an iPhone 4, that won't be possible as it uses a micro sim and the venue pro (and most other phones) use a standard sim card.

There are unofficial ways to install the mango build.. doesn't seem particularly complicated..

http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/get_the_mango_update_now._without_being_a_developer.-06-30-11

I do have an iPhone 4. Inserting the SIM into the venue pro should not be an issue, I'll use one of those plastic converters. (I have used MicroSIMs in normal SIM slots before.) My worry was about the 3G and the dataplan.

Thank you for the reply, I think I'll go ahead and install Mango after a week or two of use.

Edit: One more question. I remember reading reports of WP7 phones having a bug where one's data limit is hit due to some unauthorised data transfers. Is that something I need to be worried about?

 

[VanMardigan]

btw, where the hell is your avatar?

<--- There it is!!

And it's one thing to say that Nokia is hedging its bets, and quite another to say that they are using WP7 as a stopgap to Meego. Elop nailed it, it's an ecosystem war, not a device or even individual OS thing, and Meego has no ammunition in that fight.

 

[Robobandit]

Edit: One more question. I remember reading reports of WP7 phones having a bug where one's data limit is hit due to some unauthorised data transfers. Is that something I need to be worried about?

That was a bug in yahoo mail's IMAP implementation.. rather than fix it, yahoo disabled IMAP for windows phones, if I remember correctly.

I never had an issue and I don't use yahoo mail.

 

[PG2G]

Nokia has always said that they will be going with WP7 while working on the 'next disruption'

 

[maximum360]

If wp7 second gen does not sell well then it just means the w8 versions will come faster.... there is .000000001% chance ms gets out of the mobile game. They will have something and will keep trying until they get some marketshare.

If wp7 mango fails it just pushes windows 8 on phones out the door faster imo.

I agree with this. MS did the same with the Xbox. They were willing to lose quite a bit during the first gen Xbox just to a get a foot in the door of the console market. Now multiplatform games are now made with the xbox version being the baseline.

 

[thirty]

i don't know. the original xbox was far more successful than WP7 has been so far.

in fact, looking back, the xbox was the first of its generation to be release, had online gaming, and had the best hardware. WP7, it was released late, released incomplete, and had hardware that is nearly a generation behind.

 

[bananas]

i don't know. the original xbox was far more successful than WP7 has been so far.

in fact, looking back, the xbox was the first of its generation to be release, had online gaming, and had the best hardware. WP7, it was released late, released incomplete, and had hardware that is nearly a generation behind.

1. The Xbox was not released first.

2. The Xbox did not have online at launch.

3. Best hardware, sure. But still super expensive causing a $4bn loss for Microsoft, and only selling a little over 20m units worldwide, compared to the PS2's 150+m.

 

[MCD]

http://www.wpcentral.com/rom-available-samsung-focus

Does this mean I can get rid of AT&T on my Focus?

 

[antiquegamer]

The unlocked version of Dell Venue Pro is on sale (AT&T and T-Mobile) for $299. [ebay daily deal. Dell store]

Just bought one. Plant to use it for a month or two and then pass it on to my father once his current phone croaks. (It is dying right now). Any issue with Mango dev build? Is it easy to install it?

Also, will 3G work if I just take my iPhone's SIM and put it into the phone? (I use Wi-Fi most of the time, so not a huge issue for me)

Did Dell ever update their firmware for the Venue Pro. I am thinking about getting one for my wife but all the horror story about that phone just keeping me away.

 

[MCD]

Did Dell ever update their firmware for the Venue Pro. I am thinking about getting one for my wife but all the horror story about that phone just keeping me away.

http://wmpoweruser.com/tag/dell-venue-pro/

 

[Aasir Osu]

So being a new Windows Phone 7 owner (for about a month now) also means this is my first experience with Zune.

Overall, I'm enjoying the Zune experience - both on the phone and PC, far more than Itunes (although the Zune Marketplace can be quite the tease - I've searched for quite a few albums that show up on the marketplace, but is then listed as not available, with no explanation as to why. Itunes at least had the courtesy not to bother listing it at all ).

However, one issue I do have with the Zune player, and it is a seriously minor issue, is an issue I only just discovered today. I finally got around to playing a couple of continuous mix CDs that I own, and discovered that the player apparently is not capable of gapless playback. These were legally sanctioned mixes to, from official labels. Nevertheless, there was a one second or less that one second but still noticeable pause as the next track blended in.

Again, a minor but technically disappointing issue that detracts from the fun of listening to these type of mixes, when they're done well.

I can learn to live without EQ or scrubbing, but I see no reason for the issue above.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Is the WP7 marketplace working fine today for you guys? I can download demos and free applications but I am getting errors when trying to get paid apps. Earlier today I got an error code which time I tried to buy them on the phone, now there is a message that comes when you click the buy button that says not available now, please try again later (or something like that). Using Zune on PC gives me an "unknown error".