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brotkasten said:
I have read a couple of articles that have said that we have seen some of the 500 additions to Mango and not yet all...
one here states...
also..
http://wmpoweruser.com/still-only-1-of-us-buyers-choosing-windows-phone-7/
geezus if we get stuck with apple and Google as our only choices WTF... come on people, quit being android lemmings...
Earl Cazone
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thirty said:
i think omnia and optimus are tethering-compatible through some debug menu, google it
claviertekky said:
I blame it on the same mistake ios made against android.... there aren't very many "good" options for phones right now. They are all 2nd rate android devices and there is one maybe 2 choices per carrier.
I also think there are a ton of people waiting for good hardware for wp7 (nokia) to get their phones out. Something tells me it will only be on one carrier though (prob at&t which is another huge mistake because that is already iphone land)
can u blame the sales people? in a matter of a year, they've seen Microsoft kill windows mobile and the kin. on top of that, missing features like 3rd party multitasking gave the platform a half ass stigma.
then you add marketing where Microsoft was selling the platform rather than individual phones which failed and ultimately led to the nokia deal. the focus beat the iPhone 4 in tests, where was the marketing for that?
then you add marketing where Microsoft was selling the platform rather than individual phones which failed and ultimately led to the nokia deal. the focus beat the iPhone 4 in tests, where was the marketing for that?
Does anyone know if any new phones are coming to Sprint?
I know there is the HTC Arrive which I'm debating on changing over to from the Palm Pre because it seems like HP isn't going to bring any new webOS phones to Sprint and they're taking their sweet time with it too.
As my Palm Pre is starting to break down and is slow compared to the more recent smartphones out there.
Another question is battery life?
My Palm Pre barely lasts a day without needing to be recharged.
I know there is the HTC Arrive which I'm debating on changing over to from the Palm Pre because it seems like HP isn't going to bring any new webOS phones to Sprint and they're taking their sweet time with it too.
As my Palm Pre is starting to break down and is slow compared to the more recent smartphones out there.
Another question is battery life?
My Palm Pre barely lasts a day without needing to be recharged.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Man if you can hold out till September or so you'll get a new windows phone plus the latest software. Otherwise, the arrive will get Mango as well, and it runs really well on current gen devices. I'd wait if you can though.
Hmm, updated the Facebook app last week or so, and tried out AccuWeather's new weather app and both Live tiles haven't worked yet on my Sammy Focus. I tried uninstalling and redownloading and no dice. Wondering if its the phone, each of the app's respective servers, or Decepticons.
ochobit said:
No mango for me yet, but good to hear there's light at the end of the tunnel. My flixster app is the only Live tile that seems to work, well other than the Weather Channel's app. It was stuck on Hangover 2 for a month, but Transformers 3 finally replaced it. I think a movie has to make crazy amounts of money for Flixster to deem it worthy of a live tile change. /shrug
Guys, I really want a Windows Phone, but a few hurdles obstruct my path...
First is the most apparent: No Zune client for the Mac. Seriously, if I'm going to jump ship to the Microsoft ecosystem, then I want to go all in. None of this importing iTunes music stuff that the Windows Phone Connecter for Mac client does.
Second is that I've already invested 4 years into the iOS ecosystem. I had the first-gen iPod touch in 2007 to an iPhone to an iPhone 3GS, which I currently use, as well as an iPad. According to iTunes, I have 305 apps that I've downloaded (I don't use all of them of course).
I am currently running iOS 5 beta 2 on both my iPhone 3GS and iPad, and have sunk myself even further into the Apple quicksand by getting a little too cosy with iCloud.
So for the past few weeks I been contemplating on what my next phone should be. The obvious choice would be an iPhone (whether it be the current 4, or the upcoming 5 or 4s), however Windows Phone has caught my eye, ever since it was first announced last year, and with Mango, it seems that most of the problems will be fixed.
But Microsoft refusing to play ball with the Mac is what is keeping me. Apple allows Windows users into the iOS/iTunes/iCloud ecosystem, so why can't Microsoft do the same?
Right now I have a good thing going between my iPhone, iPad and Mac, and using the iCloud beta has been great for keeping everything in sync. For all intensive purposes, I don't really have much complaints about what I use. I love the iPhone and iOS, but I'm curious about Windows Phone.
So, I ask this question specifically to the Mac Windows Phone users, especially those who have jumped from the iPhone: Even with no Zune client, and starting over from scratch, and breaking my "flow" (as it were), is it worth it?
First is the most apparent: No Zune client for the Mac. Seriously, if I'm going to jump ship to the Microsoft ecosystem, then I want to go all in. None of this importing iTunes music stuff that the Windows Phone Connecter for Mac client does.
Second is that I've already invested 4 years into the iOS ecosystem. I had the first-gen iPod touch in 2007 to an iPhone to an iPhone 3GS, which I currently use, as well as an iPad. According to iTunes, I have 305 apps that I've downloaded (I don't use all of them of course).
I am currently running iOS 5 beta 2 on both my iPhone 3GS and iPad, and have sunk myself even further into the Apple quicksand by getting a little too cosy with iCloud.
So for the past few weeks I been contemplating on what my next phone should be. The obvious choice would be an iPhone (whether it be the current 4, or the upcoming 5 or 4s), however Windows Phone has caught my eye, ever since it was first announced last year, and with Mango, it seems that most of the problems will be fixed.
But Microsoft refusing to play ball with the Mac is what is keeping me. Apple allows Windows users into the iOS/iTunes/iCloud ecosystem, so why can't Microsoft do the same?
Right now I have a good thing going between my iPhone, iPad and Mac, and using the iCloud beta has been great for keeping everything in sync. For all intensive purposes, I don't really have much complaints about what I use. I love the iPhone and iOS, but I'm curious about Windows Phone.
So, I ask this question specifically to the Mac Windows Phone users, especially those who have jumped from the iPhone: Even with no Zune client, and starting over from scratch, and breaking my "flow" (as it were), is it worth it?
great 40 min interview with a software engineer from the windows phone team. this well spoken gentleman is the obama of software engineers.
http://wmpoweruser.com/a-geek-dive-into-windows-phone-7-5/
http://wmpoweruser.com/a-geek-dive-into-windows-phone-7-5/
the zune software on my pc is amazing. i don't know how i could ever live without it. i use to to manage what's on my phone, set playlist, manage podcasts, etc. that said, i wouldn't hold my breath for a mac version. you're probably better off dual booting windows on your mac and running zune that way.bananas said:
bananas said:
You already have an iPad. You can have both worlds, don't have to just jump into one pie. Dual boot the Zune software if you want the full experience, the Mac connector is a sad sad thing compared. Been an iMac owner for 3 years now, as well as a Zune owner for longer, and I wouldn't trade being able to experience both if I did it again.
Zune Pass + Windows 7 is the best music option on the market.
Iced_Eagle
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thirty said:
Turn by turn directions are in Mango.
bananas said:
It's not that MS is refusing to play ball. There's been rumors every now and then about MS working on a full featured Mac client (but no official word yet). It's simply a matter of resources. Windows has much greater marketshare, and for whats left in Mac camp, a majority are tired to the iOS ecosystem. However, I'm certain that at some point MS will step up its game and make a big play into Apple's backyard for those users.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Yeah, if you have an ipad, that is a perfect opportunity to try out another OS with your phone. I have a ton of content for ios that I walked away from (though less than you). I'm not gonna let that stuff dictate what I use. I may get an ipad at some point to make use of that content, or I may not. Haven't decided but you can have the best of both worlds.
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-chasing-android-payments-from-samsung/
The software giant is allegedly demanding that Samsung pay $15 for each Android smartphone handset it manufactures. The Economic Times reports that the payment would lower to $10 per device in exchange for a closer alliance with Microsofts Windows Phone platform.
sneaky sob
The software giant is allegedly demanding that Samsung pay $15 for each Android smartphone handset it manufactures. The Economic Times reports that the payment would lower to $10 per device in exchange for a closer alliance with Microsofts Windows Phone platform.
sneaky sob
SeanR1221 said:
I have a LG Optimus 7 running the Mango beta and had a 4th Gen iPod Touch running the iOS5 beta.numble said:
Disclaimers:
- The Mango beta has been very stable for meno crashesand I can't even point out any bugs. The iOS5 beta 1 was very buggy, so much so that I downgraded back to a jailbroken 4.3.3 before iOS5 beta 2 was released. iOS5 beta 2 still has many bugs. Given Apple's track record (and ability to push out updates with minimal carrier interference) I expect the official iOS5 release to be stable. However, the state of the iOS5 beta makes it hard to tell if certain changes, like the aggressive 'assistance' of the iOS5 software keyboard is a feature or bug. (WP7 already had the better keyboard imo *shrug*)
- My iPod Touch was lost/stolen during my commute last week
, so I can't do a side by side comparison. I haven't replaced it yet, but I'm considering just getting an iPad 2 now that a jailbreak is available for it. I won't be installing iOS5 beta on any replacement, that's for sure.
Ok, so back to the question: how do they stack up?
They are pretty close actually (not surprising considering Apple stole quite a few of WP7's features
). It's worth pointing out that where Apple has copied WP7 I can't find any improvements added and I can't even say Apple got it quite right. For example, Apple's version of toast notifications can't be flicked off the screen like the WP7 implementation. The iOS5 camera shortcut on the lockscreen, and the repurposed volume control/snapshot button, isn't as elegant as a dedicated camera button. WP7 still has the edge there, at least until we see what the next generation handsets that will be launching with these OSs have to offer. Both Mango and iOS5, like their predecessors, provide a smooth interactive experience. WP7 still lags behind iOS when downloading content; those queueing dots will be the death of me :/.The iOS5 Notifications Center has bested the WP7 Live Tiles imo. iOS5 provides richer, more detailed notifications, can be accessed anywhere and, er, offers two widgets. Live Tiles are still underdeveloped and yet to fully utilized (can I get a double wide Live Tile for RSS reader that will display the headlines already? is that too much to ask?) and while it's nice that WP7 has removed the 15 live tile limit, I haven't found 15 useful Live Tiles yet. When developers revamp their apps to allow pinning particular sections to the start screen it might become very useful, but that's a maybe. As an app organization and app finder tool, Live Tiles+list of apps is still superior to the iOS grid of icons, so there's that.
Where WP7 is still far ahead of iOS is the hub concept and the app design. While iOS5 has the better notifications system, I do very much like making groups of people and linking particular inboxes together that can be placed on the start screen in a live tile. The twitter integration isn't working yet in mango so can't compare it with the iOS5 twitter integration. The music/video hub is the best mobile media experience, hands down, especially now that I can subscribe and download podcasts on the go. The WP7 apps just look and interact better than the iOS versions and it's a stunning contrast when comparing two official apps released by the same company (e.g. TuneIn WP7 app vs TuneIn iOS app). WP7 hasn't reached feature parity with iOS yet, it doesn't have as many apps available and just doesn't do as much, but what WP7 does do, it does very well.
Luckyman said:
Good lord, how much do they pay Google per handset? Assuming they are using Google's apps for defaults, which require licensing right? I thought it was around $10 or something.
I think you have to tap the screen after every turn due to some legal mess with Nokia mapping data.
Vanillalite
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thirty said:
Call me crazy, but WTF is the difference?
PS: What I REALLLLY want to know is just what all the Android people are paying MS for. I mean specifics too.
they don't pay google anything per handset. supposedly google gives the manufacturers a share of the advertising so google is paying them to use android. there are some restrictions that come from using google's apps as default but money isn't involved.JaggedSac said:
samsung have their own mobile os, bada. they shouldn't waste more time and money customizing android, sell straight up asop android and let google and the users worry about the updates. Use the same phone models for android and wp7, then try and get their bada up to speed. Their destiny ain't in their hands in they don't control their own os. *shrug*
Greyface said:
they sell more of their phones in a month running android then the lifetime of bada. Not really a smart business decision to drop that cash cow, having to pay MS or not
giga said:
no, just need certification, which is free. http://source.android.com/faqs.html#compatibility
Vanillalite
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Do we know WHAT they are all paying MS for though? None of the articles ever seem to actually tell me that bit of info.
I'm not saying they should drop Android. but they spend a lot of resources customizing android, which they could spend on bolstering their own os. I don't know how many bada phones they sell, but isn't it big in asia? by the way, does anyone have the sales figures for the nexus s and the galaxy phones?gcubed said:
Greyface said:
the only figures i could find was that they were hopeful of hitting 10 million by end of 1H11
Galaxy phones, Galaxy S 1 hit 10million in Jan, Galaxy S 2 sold 3 million in 2 months. No idea on Nexus numbers, most likely very small
I dont understand the need for customization but apparently there has to be some data out there to make it worthwhile since all manuf's do it. I'd rather have vanilla.
Anyway, is samsung not interested in making more WP7 phones? Interested about the little add on in the story about the patent rules. Has there been any leaks about the mango phones?
brotkasten
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gcubed said:
A Samsung phone with mango was recently certified by the WiFi consortium. Probably a GS2 with WP7 specs.
brotkasten
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Some of it is really very basic stuff.Brettison said:
From the B&N law suit:
- Give people easy ways to navigate through information provided by their device apps via a separate control window with tabs
- Enable display of a webpages content before the background image is received, allowing users to interact with the page faster
- Allow apps to superimpose download status on top of the downloading content
- Permit users to easily select text in a document and adjust that selection
- Provide users the ability to annotate text without changing the underlying document.
From the Motorola law suit:
- synchronizing email, calendars and contacts
- scheduling meetings
- notifying applications of changes in signal strength and battery power
Sean said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYtQosBA48Q
This is how it currently works.... Instead of just giving you the next direction it plays that chime. I would expect this to get fixed once they get the rumored legal issues resolved.
I guess I'll have to look if I can get into the Beta as well. :>
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bananas said:
Personally prefer the Mac client over the PC
brotkasten
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I hope they fix this with the rumored release between Mango and Apollo.jagowar said:
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