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brotkasten
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One author at WMPowerUser created a nice multitasking demo that compares apps that were compiled with the old SDK/7.0 target and the new SDK /7.1 target.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiTaobF-Rko
So the only thing devs have to do to enable multitasking with their apps is recompiling the existing code with the new SDK and resubmit it as an update.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiTaobF-Rko
So the only thing devs have to do to enable multitasking with their apps is recompiling the existing code with the new SDK and resubmit it as an update.
Could be the reason they never demoed or mentioned the navigation in any presentation (except for the one event in Germany). The beta 2 we have is a month old (06/07/2011), so maybe they'll have the issues sorted out, but I'm not counting on it.jagowar said:
Robobandit
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I haven't seen this posted anywhere.. but I thought it was very interesting..
It's an interview with one of the microsoft people working on Mango and he describes how the phone allocates resources and what steps they've taken to ensure a certain user experience -
http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango
It's an interview with one of the microsoft people working on Mango and he describes how the phone allocates resources and what steps they've taken to ensure a certain user experience -
http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Abolade-Gbadegesin-Inside-Windows-Phone-Mango
brotkasten
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It's not entirely free. You don't pay with money, but with your balls and Google will certainly squeeze them, if you don't play by their rules.gcubed said:
http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/
brotkasten
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Wilester said:
I'd be thankful for a good Google Reader app.
brotkasten
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Not in my opinion. I basically want a Reeder clone with readability support. Everything else is useless.Wilester said:
a twitter app like reportage (appears to be taken down from the app store but you can get an idea of what it was like from that video).Wilester said:
couch to 5k app? I don't know if the ones in the store any good
public transit apps for cities. new york, chicago, boston, toronto, san fran etc.
bookmark app. syncs with pinboard, delicious etc
decent pdf reader app.
notes app. not really happy with the microsoft one.
soulver like calculator app.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Robobandit
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Got my Connect invite for the Mango beta... nice to be officially official.
thirty said:
I said this when I first saw ms was buying skype it was a bigger deal and there was a very good reason they "overspent" (according to many in the tech community) for skype.
In a few yrs skype will be everywhere and will be worth far more than 8 billion..... I think this will end up being one of the smartest purchases ms has ever made.
When they get wp7 (and probably ios/android via apps) communicating with facebook and the pc and all of those on the tv via kinect and the cable companies its easy to see this will be everywhere and the defacto standard when it comes to video calling.
also saw this on wppu today.... we have seen this kind of thing using iphones before but cool to see wp7 being used for the same kind of thing (and the resulting video is actually quite impressive).
http://wmpoweruser.com/kurt-vile-music-video-shot-completely-on-a-windows-phone/#more-37388
I can't wait for devs to start updating their apps to 7.1. I wonder if its gonna be like in iOS pre multitasking were you could update your app and it would be compatible with 3.0 beta (was 3.0 the multitasking version?) release and pre-multitasking version.brotkasten said:
Also: multitasking + 60fps in games will be awesome. Doodle Jump NEEDS this. And fruit ninja.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Wow, the Skype/FB thing is huge. Too bad there hasn't been any talk of Skype integration in Mango, the acquisition is coming too late. I'm sure Apollo will tie FB, Skype, MSN, etc. together, plus Windows 8.
Maybe I SHOULD wait for gen 3 devices?
Maybe I SHOULD wait for gen 3 devices?
brotkasten
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Whenever I see videos of the "me" series, I'm always thinking about the last scene, and when they're done filming.jagowar said:
"Alright, we're done here. Good job everyone."
"Great, uhm, can I have my iPhone/Droid back?"
It feels so not real and kinda reminds me of the Zune videos, with that light hipster vibe.
brotkasten
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MCD said:
Most carrier-friendly OS on the market. :lol It seems to be their decision to support other languages or not, they get the support calls after all, not Microsoft or the manufacturer. T-Mobile, for example, decided to ship the HD7 with only the US keyboard installed. It doesn't even have a Spanish language option, which is crazy.
You're fine with an unbranded device. That way you'll get the raw OS, without any operator bullshit.
Robobandit
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I'm surprised to learn that an american GSM phone would work in Japan.. I thought all of the japanese networks were proprietary..
In Mango, you can have a japanese keyboard.. but in this version on my focus, no east-asian languages are available as display options for the entire OS. You can set the locale to japanese and see dates in japanese format, etc.. but not the entire OS.
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If those people have platform applications turned off, Windows phone won't be able to pull their details and posts from Facebook. The official application can, but applications using Facebook's API cannot.
In Mango, you can have a japanese keyboard.. but in this version on my focus, no east-asian languages are available as display options for the entire OS. You can set the locale to japanese and see dates in japanese format, etc.. but not the entire OS.
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Klocker said:
If those people have platform applications turned off, Windows phone won't be able to pull their details and posts from Facebook. The official application can, but applications using Facebook's API cannot.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Okay Zune Social Tagger = WINRAR....
Granted it's gonna take me a fuck ton of time... but so goes tagging your music no matter what... this shit is the real deal though!
Thanks for the hook up WP7-GAF!!!
Granted it's gonna take me a fuck ton of time... but so goes tagging your music no matter what... this shit is the real deal though!
Thanks for the hook up WP7-GAF!!!
Robobandit said:
yes, that explains it thanks.
edit: what's weird is I have one friend whose friend's posts to his wall show up in Hub but not his posts.
yes I have that unchecked. I believe it is individual user facebook settings
bastages! give me your info on my phone says me!
Vanillalite
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Oooo I get the cool overlay verses just a big random wall of my albums I have art wise for a background in zune on my pc now for the album's I've fixed with zune social tagger.
I haven't done all of my shit yet, but I did about 20 albums. I figure if I do 20 a day for the next couple weeks I'll be good. LOL
I haven't done all of my shit yet, but I did about 20 albums. I figure if I do 20 a day for the next couple weeks I'll be good. LOL
brotkasten
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Here's the actual music video that was shot with the Focus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63KB-EJKdyI
Doesn't look that bad, but certainly not flattering. Now imagine how this would look with a Nokia Windows Phone ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63KB-EJKdyI
Doesn't look that bad, but certainly not flattering. Now imagine how this would look with a Nokia Windows Phone ...
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
We just need the public in general to understand it's all about the lens quality in general when it comes to taking pictures and get over the megapixel thing. It would be a huge boon for everyone IMO.
Robobandit
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Klocker said:
yeah, I have one like that too. It probably has to do with their facebook privacy settings.
GringoLOCOo
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is zune marketplace not working for anyone on here ?
it was working fine in the morning and evening but at night it's not letting me download any app besides music.
One minute its verifying for a good minute then it says Cant get this information at the moment, Check again in a little while.
I tried to download an App on ZunePC , same thing there as well.
is this a normal for Windows 7 Phones to do this ?
it was working fine in the morning and evening but at night it's not letting me download any app besides music.
One minute its verifying for a good minute then it says Cant get this information at the moment, Check again in a little while.
I tried to download an App on ZunePC , same thing there as well.
is this a normal for Windows 7 Phones to do this ?
antiquegamer
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PG2G said:
4th&Mayor has been crashing on me the last few days. I already un-install and re-install twice and it was still crashing, so I switch back to the official app. It's a little slower and not as pretty but usable. Anyone else having problem with 4th&Mayor?
Greyface said:I have a LG Optimus 7 running the Mango beta and had a 4th Gen iPod Touch running the iOS5 beta.
Disclaimers:
- The Mango beta has been very stable for meno crashesand I can't even point out any bugs. The iOS5 beta 1 was very buggy, so much so that I downgraded back to a jailbroken 4.3.3 before iOS5 beta 2 was released. iOS5 beta 2 still has many bugs. Given Apple's track record (and ability to push out updates with minimal carrier interference) I expect the official iOS5 release to be stable. However, the state of the iOS5 beta makes it hard to tell if certain changes, like the aggressive 'assistance' of the iOS5 software keyboard is a feature or bug. (WP7 already had the better keyboard imo *shrug*)
- My iPod Touch was lost/stolen during my commute last week
, so I can't do a side by side comparison. I haven't replaced it yet, but I'm considering just getting an iPad 2 now that a jailbreak is available for it. I won't be installing iOS5 beta on any replacement, that's for sure.
Ok, so back to the question: how do they stack up?
They are pretty close actually (not surprising considering Apple stole quite a few of WP7's features). It's worth pointing out that where Apple has copied WP7 I can't find any improvements added and I can't even say Apple got it quite right. For example, Apple's version of toast notifications can't be flicked off the screen like the WP7 implementation. The iOS5 camera shortcut on the lockscreen, and the repurposed volume control/snapshot button, isn't as elegant as a dedicated camera button. WP7 still has the edge there, at least until we see what the next generation handsets that will be launching with these OSs have to offer. Both Mango and iOS5, like their predecessors, provide a smooth interactive experience. WP7 still lags behind iOS when downloading content; those queueing dots will be the death of me :/.
The iOS5 Notifications Center has bested the WP7 Live Tiles imo. iOS5 provides richer, more detailed notifications, can be accessed anywhere and, er, offers two widgets. Live Tiles are still underdeveloped and yet to fully utilized (can I get a double wide Live Tile for RSS reader that will display the headlines already? is that too much to ask?) and while it's nice that WP7 has removed the 15 live tile limit, I haven't found 15 useful Live Tiles yet. When developers revamp their apps to allow pinning particular sections to the start screen it might become very useful, but that's a maybe. As an app organization and app finder tool, Live Tiles+list of apps is still superior to the iOS grid of icons, so there's that.
Where WP7 is still far ahead of iOS is the hub concept and the app design. While iOS5 has the better notifications system, I do very much like making groups of people and linking particular inboxes together that can be placed on the start screen in a live tile. The twitter integration isn't working yet in mango so can't compare it with the iOS5 twitter integration. The music/video hub is the best mobile media experience, hands down, especially now that I can subscribe and download podcasts on the go. The WP7 apps just look and interact better than the iOS versions and it's a stunning contrast when comparing two official apps released by the same company (e.g. TuneIn WP7 app vs TuneIn iOS app). WP7 hasn't reached feature parity with iOS yet, it doesn't have as many apps available and just doesn't do as much, but what WP7 does do, it does very well.
Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like MS really pushed out a good OS.
bananas said:
You know, I was in a similar situation when the phone launched. Short answer, to me it wasn't worth it.
I've been using apple products since 2004 (iBook) and have had an iPhone since the first ones dropped in price shortly after they launched. I also have an iPad, iMac, and Macbook, so obviously I'm tied closely to Apple.
I wanted the Windows phone for 2 reasons...try something new and the link to Xbox.
I was VERY satisfied with the link to Xbox (besides some of my favorite games not being there, but that's slowly changing) but there were a few things that bothered me about the phone.
A lot of those things are going to be fixed with Mango (multi-tasking, twitter integration) but others I'm not sure yet. I like maps on iOS way more than WP7 (and I use maps all the time going to clients houses). I really don't like the touch sensitive buttons. The battery on the Surround wasn't nearly as good as the iPhone. Also, the WP7 models feel flimsy compared to the iPhone 4.
Another thing that bothered me, and this sounds like it could apply to you, it annoyed me that I had most of my stuff in the Apple ecosystem, EXCEPT for the phone
But then when I'd think the opposite way, I'd think about how I'd be missing achievements for playing my mobile games by being on iOS.
So what did I do? I switched to iPhone, and got an unlocked Focus on the cheap, that I basically use as a portable game player for XBLA games.
The nice part is, when Mango comes out, I can try both. I'm really excited for Mango, and figure I'll pop my sim into the Focus for 2 weeks and see how I get by.
I actually don't WANT to be in the mindset "everything has to be the same, I need to use all Apple products." It's really rather silly, especially when I see friends with a PC, iPad, Android phone and not a single fuck is given
brotkasten
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Anton Sugar
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kazinova said:
I'm ditching Accuweather. My live tile ONLY updates if I access the app (which kinda defeats the purpose of a live tile...), and it does it slowly at that. I'm going back to the Weather Channel.
https://market.android.com/details?id=net.myfigurecollectionWilester said:
I would love for something like this for WP.
brotkasten
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The limit is only for third party apps.SCHUEY F1 said:
Robobandit
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Biggest screen is the HD7S.. at 4.3" inches..
Samsung Focus is a good phone as well.. has a 4" super amoled screen.
They all have the same cpu, ram, etc.
1Ghz snapdragon, 512MB Ram
I have the focus.. and I like it a lot.
On at&t, I'd go with a focus or a hd7s based on which phone you like better... go to a store and handle them both if you can.
Samsung Focus is a good phone as well.. has a 4" super amoled screen.
They all have the same cpu, ram, etc.
1Ghz snapdragon, 512MB Ram
I have the focus.. and I like it a lot.
On at&t, I'd go with a focus or a hd7s based on which phone you like better... go to a store and handle them both if you can.
A couple things I've noticed in Mango that I haven't seen anyone mention.
1. When you try and power down, it no longer does it automatically. You have to swipe down to confirm
2. If you search in bing and there is an app/game that matches your query, the first item will be a link to launch the app or download it
1. When you try and power down, it no longer does it automatically. You have to swipe down to confirm
2. If you search in bing and there is an app/game that matches your query, the first item will be a link to launch the app or download it
SeanR1221 said:
Reading this was helpful, but I think I'm still going to get a Windows Phone. The HTC HD7S to be exact.
I was think the other day the thing I really do on my iPhone the absolute most was check Twitter, Facebook, NeoGAF and browse Safari. I would occasionally use other apps, but not enough to really hold me down.
Also, luckly for me, while I started using iCloud, I'm using it for everything but email and contacts. I keep those synced with my gmail account. So moving all that over is no issue. And with Twitter and Facebook on the phone already and with Mobile IE being a great mobile browser, I think I'm well enough to jump ship.
And hey, I'll still have my iPad for iOS apps (for now).
But yeah, I'm eying the HD7S. The main reason I'm choosing that over the Focus is not because of the screen size, but rather the microUSB port being on the bottom of the phone, which lets me get a dock for it to charge it (the iPhone dock spoiled me).
brotkasten
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This is such a good reason. I'm still pissed that I couldn't find a phone with the MicroUSB port at the bottom (the HD7 is too large for me). I want my next WP to have inductive charging or at least a fricking USB port at the bottom, geez.bananas said:
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