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Thank Fuck for THAT!

I can finally change the default search to bing, so rather then get forwarded to some shitty yahoo mobile site, it launches the inbuilt bing search.
 
Damon Bennet said:
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So according to Deutsche Telekom, their rollout today is only for their HTC phones, while the Samsung phone update comes in early November (wtf)

THE FUCK? WHY? :´(
Any way to force it to an Omnia?
 
NotTarts said:
If your carrier isn't rolling it out, no, I don't think so.
You could always upload an unbranded firmware onto the phone? Did that ages ago on my Orange Omnia 7; doesn't even show the Orange logo now when it starts up.
 
custom ringtone mp3s but you have to edit them to 40 seconds or less? absolutely worthless when every modern smartphone OS will let u choose any song and it will just cut the song automatically for you. do you think retail reps will give WP a break with this? hell no, the new feature is nonexistent if you ask me.
 
thirty said:
custom ringtone mp3s but you have to edit them to 40 seconds or less? absolutely worthless when every modern smartphone OS will let u choose any song and it will just cut the song automatically for you. do you think retail reps will give WP a break with this? hell no, the new feature is nonexistent if you ask me.

Considering that syncing with a computer is necessary at one point or another, you can create your custom ringtone on that machine very easily - there are several free pieces of software that allow you to do this. Sure, it would be even better if the phone could do it from choosing a song in your Playlist, but to call the function as it stands now "useless" is ridiculous. It's just a custom ringtone, that isn't a priority much less an issue when you consider the relevant features of Mango retail reps should be showing to customers.

"Oh yea, Mango is fantastic - you can do X, Y, Z. But if you want a ringtone of your own, you'll need to do it on your computer, pfft I know right?. Let me show you another OS instead.."
 
thirty said:
custom ringtone mp3s but you have to edit them to 40 seconds or less? absolutely worthless when every modern smartphone OS will let u choose any song and it will just cut the song automatically for you. do you think retail reps will give WP a break with this? hell no, the new feature is nonexistent if you ask me.
They created APIs for it as well, so im sure there will be a number of apps to simplify the process.

I'm not sure how this is handled on iOS nowadays, but when I had it I had to use standalone tools on my desktop to create the ringtones and add them to iTunes, just like we have to do on wp7.
 
thirty said:
custom ringtone mp3s but you have to edit them to 40 seconds or less? absolutely worthless when every modern smartphone OS will let u choose any song and it will just cut the song automatically for you. do you think retail reps will give WP a break with this? hell no, the new feature is nonexistent if you ask me.

How do you even use custom ringtones? I have updated to Mango but still only have the default ones to choose from.
 
PTtidus said:
How do you even use custom ringtones? I have updated to Mango but still only have the default ones to choose from.
Create it on your computer, must be under 40 seconds. Set genre as ringtone and sync in Zune
 
NotTarts said:
Actually, in the iPhone launching an app brings you straight back to the previous state if it's still in memory, so it's not a huge issue that it sends you back to the main screen. It seems like the reviewer tried to apply this same concept to Windows Phone, discovered that it didn't work the same way, and criticized the OS for it. That's what annoys me - users expecting an OS to behave exactly the same as their previous one and complaining when it's different to what they're used to. I can't really blame them, but being different should never be a con in a proper review.
To be honest though, why do we have to use the back button to go back to where we were in marketplace? Clicking the app icon should exhibit the same behavior, but it doesn't.
 
giga said:
To be honest though, why do we have to use the back button to go back to where we were in marketplace? Clicking the app icon should exhibit the same behavior, but it doesn't.
I agree, but hitting the back button is still faster.
 
So is Tango even gonna do anything for us all or is it just gonna be for lowered powered phone?

What do people even want now that we have mango? Anything in particular or is it more just waiting for Mango apps to get out there?
 
Brettison said:
So is Tango even gonna do anything for us all or is it just gonna be for lowered powered phone?

What do people even want now that we have mango? Anything in particular or is it more just waiting for Mango apps to get out there?
Two things:

1-Right to left language support (Arabic, Persian, Hebrew...etc.).

2-Microsoft Points.
 
giga said:
To be honest though, why do we have to use the back button to go back to where we were in marketplace? Clicking the app icon should exhibit the same behavior, but it doesn't.
I disagree, actually. It's very counterproductive to do so due to the UI design of Windows Phone. Unlike the iPhone, where sections are usually confined to separate windows that can be switched between at any point, it's possible to get deep into an application, so far that getting back to the start using the back button might require 10 or 20 clicks.
 
Brettison said:
So is Tango even gonna do anything for us all or is it just gonna be for lowered powered phone?

What do people even want now that we have mango? Anything in particular or is it more just waiting for Mango apps to get out there?

Better 3rd party extensibility, a notification drawer, support for native apps, better hardware support (higher res screens, multi cores, LTE), further improved multitasking, further improved skydrive integration, app contracts (windows 8)
 
Anyone is getting the application update notifications of the ones that were recentely updated to Mango?

I forced update to Mango, but I am not I still did not receive any marketplace notifications, and I am sure to have around 10 Mango ready applications installed.
 
NotTarts said:
I disagree, actually. It's very counterproductive to do so due to the UI design of Windows Phone. Unlike the iPhone, where sections are usually confined to separate windows that can be switched between at any point, it's possible to get deep into an application, so far that getting back to the start using the back button might require 10 or 20 clicks.
It's counterproductive to me to lose the saved state of an application. Going back to where I was takes longer than hitting the back button several times.
 
Brettison said:
So is Tango even gonna do anything for us all or is it just gonna be for lowered powered phone?

What do people even want now that we have mango? Anything in particular or is it more just waiting for Mango apps to get out there?
The only thing we know is that there are two Tango updates, Tango 1 and Tango 2 (job posting) and that it will probably include universal search (leaked by some Slovakian guy, fake alert).

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Chiaroscuro said:
Anyone is getting the application update notifications of the ones that were recentely updated to Mango?

I forced update to Mango, but I am not I still did not receive any marketplace notifications, and I am sure to have around 10 Mango ready applications installed.

You can force them if you go into the app in Marketplace, hit back, then go back in. You should see an update button.
 
This really pisses me off that I can't force the update on my Focus through Windows Phone Connector for Mac.

I wanted to play with Mango today :/

I have an old ass laptop, like 6 years old, that was shit back then. I downloaded Zune, but when I plug my phone in, it just searches for drivers then shuts down. *sigh*
 
tune in radio goes mango!!! yes, background music and pin your presets. going to check for mango versions of last fm and ministry of sound.
 
giga said:
It's counterproductive to me to lose the saved state of an application. Going back to where I was takes longer than hitting the back button several times.
That's what the multitasking menu should be for. Even if you could access the previous state directly using the icon, the saved state would be tombstoned after a certain amount of apps have opened. Countless times someone has tried to show me something on their iPhone, only to have been launched somewhere into the depths of the app when they click the icon with no idea how to get back to the start.
 
Chiaroscuro said:
Anyone is getting the application update notifications of the ones that were recentely updated to Mango?

I forced update to Mango, but I am not I still did not receive any marketplace notifications, and I am sure to have around 10 Mango ready applications installed.

May be those app were already update to mango? I am under the assumption that during the past week all the app that got update was so that when mango hit they would still stay compatible.
 
NotTarts said:
That's what the multitasking menu should be for. Even if you could access the previous state directly using the icon, the saved state would be tombstoned after a certain amount of apps have opened.
Multitasking menu isn't a solution when I've been switching in and out of different apps since it can only hold 5 saved states.

Just an hour ago I was in a specific folder in Mail and this is what the multitasking switcher is showing now (left to right): Phone, Marketplace, Messaging, IE, Twitter, and Start. Clicking Mail puts me back in my Inbox.
 
antiquegamer said:
May be those app were already update to mango? I am under the assumption that during the past week all the app that got update was so that when mango hit they would still stay compatible.

Nope, several games got Mango-only updates last week. Those updates weren't visible to non-Mango users, even that version was not showed in marketplace. Only Mango users should get their notifications, but nothing so far. Anyone with dev builds got them?
 
I've got a few impressions written up but they're not ready to post. The sneak peak is that this update fixes a lot of the problems I had and introduces a lot of good stuff, there are only a few changes I don't like, but I think there's still pretty significant room for improvement going forward.

Before I finish my impressions, can someone confirm that this is a correct description of a behaviour under NoDo and Mango:

In NoDo, the behaviour that occurred when you pressed the "search" button was contextual. If you were on a screen or in an app or in a hub where it would make sense to have a local search option, pressing the search button would bring up that local search option. If not, you'd get Bing.

In Mango, pressing the search button always gives you Bing. If there's a contextual search option, it'll be in the bottom icon options row. Click there for the contextual search, use the search button for Bing.

As an example, I'm thinking of searching the marketplace as in Games hub -> Get More Games -> More -> Press search here.
 
http://allthingsd.com/20110928/microsoft-signs-mega-patent-deal-with-samsung-will-get-royalties-on-every-android-device-they-sell/

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While much of the focus around the Samsung agreement is likely to concern patents and Android, the deal also calls for the companies to continue to work together on Windows Phone.

“Microsoft and Samsung see the opportunity for dramatic growth in Windows Phones and we’re investing to make that a reality,” Windows Phone unit president Andy Lees said in a statement.
 
giga said:
It's counterproductive to me to lose the saved state of an application. Going back to where I was takes longer than hitting the back button several times.
You only lose the state of an application if you relaunch the app from the home/app screens (assuming the app has been re-compiled for Mango). Simply hold the back button (or just tap it if it was the last app) and go back to where you were. Given the way that Windows Phones were designed (both software and hardware), this seems like the best way to do it considering that the back button is always available regardless of where you are.
 
Stumpokapow said:
In NoDo, the behaviour that occurred when you pressed the "search" button was contextual. If you were on a screen or in an app or in a hub where it would make sense to have a local search option, pressing the search button would bring up that local search option. If not, you'd get Bing.

In Mango, pressing the search button always gives you Bing. If there's a contextual search option, it'll be in the bottom icon options row. Click there for the contextual search, use the search button for Bing.

As an example, I'm thinking of searching the marketplace as in Games hub -> Get More Games -> More -> Press search here.

That is correct. The problem is the contextual search only only worked in native applications so the behavior of the search button was inconsistent. With the new way, at least you know what's going to happen when you press the search button.
 
ElNino said:
You only lose the state of an application if you relaunch the app from the home/app screens (assuming the app has been re-compiled for Mango). Simply hold the back button (or just tap it if it was the last app) and go back to where you were. Given the way that Windows Phones were designed (both software and hardware), this seems like the best way to do it considering that the back button is always available regardless of where you are.
See above. ;) This could all be solved if they would just start the app from its saved state from any location, and not just through the back button.
 
giga said:
Multitasking menu isn't a solution when I've been switching in and out of different apps since it can only hold 5 saved states.

Just an hour ago I was in a specific folder in Mail and this is what the multitasking switcher is showing now (left to right): Phone, Marketplace, Messaging, IE, Twitter, and Start. Clicking Mail puts me back in my Inbox.
It works in some situations (like mail, I can agree with that) but it sounded like you wanted it in every application. I don't want to launch the Marketplace and find myself on the page for an app, or launch the Music+Videos hub and end up in a playlist for a TV series when I just want to listen to music.

If anything like that was to be implemented, I'd prefer it as an extension to the multitasking, where a card would deep link to that section in the application instead of instantly resuming.
 
giga said:
See above. ;) This could all be solved if they would just start the app from its saved state from any location, and not just through the back button.

One of the major changes in Windows 7's taskbar was the merging of app shortcuts (for launching) and selecting currently running apps. I do hope they try and figure this out.

It's too bad they can't just do something like a long press to launch a new instance of an app.
 
giga said:
Going back to where I was takes longer than hitting the back button several times.

Unless there's a "go back to the app home page" button, I don't see how it would take longer to get to a spot in the app than it is to get to the app home screen by tapping an in-app back button.

Still, I've argued in this thread that it SHOULD save state rather than having to use the fast app switching (which I don't see mainstream users getting used to). I know what MS is doing, you get predictable behavior every time you hit the app button, but I don't like it.
 
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