I can still make calls with the phone, and use it as a GPS, without any apps. A Windows mini-tablet wouldn't make sense.
... if that's your starting point I'm not having this discussion.
I can still make calls with the phone, and use it as a GPS, without any apps. A Windows mini-tablet wouldn't make sense.
You asked if the price of the iPad Mini is a mass market price. When any other tablet, big or small, failed in that price category, then I'd say no.
What do you have now?
There isn't really a big market for surface studios either.
You're missing the purpose of the entire Surface line - to do something new, in completely different ways not done before, to create a market for OEMs which currently doesn't exist.
8-inch mini tablets running Win10 with pen support already exist. They're really shitty for the most part much like the Win8 tablets which came before them, but they do exist.
What would a Surface Mini do that those tablets don't already do? How would they innovate? And how would they get around the severe OS and hardware limitations which are the primary reason why current Win10 tablets are terrible?
The Surface Pro 3 and 4 created an entirely new form factor and soon a booming OEM ecosystem of similar devices. The Surface Book did the detachable laptop in a way OEMs haven't ever done before. The Surface Studio adds a brand new twist to all-in-one PCs.
Canceling the Surface Mini was a very smart move by Satya in retrospect. Today there's even less of a reason to introduce it than ever before.
True that there's no need for a surface branded mini, but ms needs to take action on the os front so the tablet experience doesn't suck.You're missing the purpose of the entire Surface line - to do something new, in completely different ways not done before, to create a market for OEMs which currently doesn't exist.
8-inch mini tablets running Win10 with pen support already exist. They're really shitty for the most part much like the Win8 tablets which came before them, but they do exist.
What would a Surface Mini do that those tablets don't already do? How would they innovate? And how would they get around the severe OS and hardware limitations which are the primary reason why current Win10 tablets are terrible?
The Surface Pro 3 and 4 created an entirely new form factor and soon a booming OEM ecosystem of similar devices. The Surface Book did the detachable laptop in a way OEMs haven't ever done before. The Surface Studio adds a brand new twist to all-in-one PCs.
Canceling the Surface Mini was a very smart move by Satya in retrospect. Today there's even less of a reason to introduce it than ever before.
You're missing the purpose of the entire Surface line - to do something new, in completely different ways not done before, to create a market for OEMs which currently doesn't exist.
8-inch mini tablets running Win10 with pen support already exist. They're really shitty for the most part much like the Win8 tablets which came before them, but they do exist.
What would a Surface Mini do that those tablets don't already do? How would they innovate? And how would they get around the severe OS and hardware limitations which are the primary reason why current Win10 tablets are terrible?
The Surface Pro 3 and 4 created an entirely new form factor and soon a booming OEM ecosystem of similar devices. The Surface Book did the detachable laptop in a way OEMs haven't ever done before. The Surface Studio adds a brand new twist to all-in-one PCs.
Canceling the Surface Mini was a very smart move by Satya in retrospect. Today there's even less of a reason to introduce it than ever before.
Aren't you kind of contradicting yourself? You say that the Surface line was created to do something different and new and then continue on using the Surface Book and Surface Studio as examples of products that improved upon what it meant to be a 2-in-1/All-in-One. There were plenty of 2-in-1 PC's before the Surface Book debuted, it just introduced a better way of approaching the concept. I see the Surface line as Microsoft basically improving upon products areas where they feel OEM's are lacking which forces improvement across the board.You're missing the purpose of the entire Surface line - to do something new, in completely different ways not done before, to create a market for OEMs which currently doesn't exist.
8-inch mini tablets running Win10 with pen support already exist. They're really shitty for the most part much like the Win8 tablets which came before them, but they do exist.
What would a Surface Mini do that those tablets don't already do? How would they innovate? And how would they get around the severe OS and hardware limitations which are the primary reason why current Win10 tablets are terrible?
The Surface Pro 3 and 4 created an entirely new form factor and soon a booming OEM ecosystem of similar devices. The Surface Book did the detachable laptop in a way OEMs haven't ever done before. The Surface Studio adds a brand new twist to all-in-one PCs.
Canceling the Surface Mini was a very smart move by Satya in retrospect. Today there's even less of a reason to introduce it than ever before.
They're the defaults for everything, so probably a pretty decent number of people.I wonder how many people actually use the Windows 10 apps in desktop mode. Those changes don't really mean much to me until they improve the fundamental tablet experience.
I wonder how many people actually use the Windows 10 apps in desktop mode. Those changes don't really mean much to me until they improve the fundamental tablet experience.
I wonder how many people actually use the Windows 10 apps in desktop mode. Those changes don't really mean much to me until they improve the fundamental tablet experience.
BMW showed their new Connected Car experience featuring Cortana.
Yeah, the Fitbit has been a total bust for my brother, basically useless. He asked me today when the update was coming so that he could see notifications on it. Ugh.
Agreed with this. 7-8" Windows tablets didn't succeed because the tech wasn't there to make them actually good. Bay Trail tablets were promising but there hasn't been an all around improvement to them. Cherry Trail improved performance a smidge, but tablets with higher resolution screens have uncompetitive battery life and they do not have acceptable performance to use in a 'docked' scenario as a full PC. Maybe Windows 10 on ARM will change that, battery life will improve and proper USB-C dock implementation would make Continuum work easily.Aren't you kind of contradicting yourself? You say that the Surface line was created to do something different and new and then continue on using the Surface Book and Surface Studio as examples of products that improved upon what it meant to be a 2-in-1/All-in-One. There were plenty of 2-in-1 PC's before the Surface Book debuted, it just introduced a better way of approaching the concept. I see the Surface line as Microsoft basically improving upon products areas where they feel OEM's are lacking which forces improvement across the board.
If Microsoft wants Windows to be an option on smaller tablets then they need to show OEM's you can make a compelling product that attracts consumers. That has not yet happened yet and it is something that Microsoft should take the initiative with the Surface Mini. Them not having the drive to pursue that kind of a project is basically them saying "Yeah, this form-factor sucks just get a big phone" which is unfortunate since the technology is not yet in a position to support something ambitious like a Surface Phone.
Fitbit are still great with their Windows Mobile support. Get regular updates on the app. They can't do much with notifications until MS adds GATT support. Strangely still absent from insider builds.
Fitbit have even stated that they're ready for it internally, and have a plan to let people on insider preview select a different branch of their app, when MS finally implements the APIs, so we don't have to wait for official Windows 10 builds.
So it's on MS alone this lies in my opinion, Fitbit are doing their best to support the platform.
Edit: Btw "Windows Mobile |OT2| 500 pages was too much"
Think this is one of the largest threads on the site by now, no?
18 months until the Xbox division, as we know it, is gone? What other consumer markets would Microsoft cater to, once that's gone?
Groove?
18 months until the Xbox division, as we know it, is gone?
Speaking of Groove, starting in January my subscription (the free one I still have from Nokia/Virgin Mobile) has stopped authenticating (on Android at least). I've resorted to using Apple Music for the last few weeks since my son and wife already have a family plan (well I own the plan but I had never used it myself), and despite Groove on Android being worse than WP I still prefer it. I almost want to charge up my Zune HD again to give it a go and see if it's still as good as I remember.18 months until the Xbox division, as we know it, is gone? What other consumer markets would Microsoft cater to, once that's gone?
Groove?
Did I miss some announcement or thread? Where did this come from?
Yeah, it sucks for those looking forward to it, but it was never on my radar.Scalebound looked pretty mediocre to me.
There's a fun trend on NeoGAF where people speculate themselves to death about one thing, and then use that wild and baseless speculation to fuel narratives about some other thing.
The current relevant example is on speculated sales of Gears of War 4, Forza, and other holiday 2016 games. The trending and established narrative on NeoGAF now is that those games and others under-performed. Not "failed", per se, but performed a little lower than expected.
Many on NeoGAF take that "under performed" and extrapolate it to mean "catastrophic failure". So to them, Gears of War 4 was a catastrophic failure and an unmitigated disaster, so of course when another game is canceled - one that never demoed well in the first place, and obviously went through tons of turmoil over the years - that is just the icing on the cake for those who already bought into the established narrative. Now it's not just individual games that are at risk, it's the entire Xbox division!
Of course, this entire line of thinking is all predicated on that initial bit of speculation.
LinkedIn App will be removed next week from Window 10.
The crappy Windows Phone 7 LinkedIn app has been broken for years. And hasn't been updated since 8.1 was new, I think. It honestly should have been pulled years ago.LinkedIn App will be removed next week from Window 10.
I mean at this point, not sure what to say. If MS themselves cant invest in UWP and keep their own Apps alive why would someone else? Absolute disaster and I am blaming on MS now.
The crappy Windows Phone 7 LinkedIn app has been broken for years. And hasn't been updated since 8.1 was new, I think. It honestly should have been pulled years ago.
But what a state the platform is in. How long has it been on a net loss of substantial apps? I've been so out of the app loop for how long I've stuck with Windows Phone. I've accepted that there will never be any new apps ever.
Would you really call any version of Skype "better" though?I don't get upset or mad when a 3rd party pulls their app. It makes sense for them to not support dead end OS.
But fucking MS? So disgusting when they have better version of Skype, Outlook and now LinkedIn complete gone to other OS. So the bigger picture here is if you cant even convince your own employees to make app for your OS. How in the fuck will you convince others?
The uwp is actually great, but the previous app on winphone was shameful for ms. They should be ashamed that it was what they had to offer for its consumers.Would you really call any version of Skype "better" though?
Yeah, the UWP app actually works. Also doesn't have an ugly UI.
MS must be getting pretty fucking worried about UWP and the fact that there seems to be very little take up, btw.
Skype on Xbox doesn't work for me. Completely broken. That's the uwp version, right?
As for uwp, I don't know, it indeed looked like it would take off faster than it actually did, but every now and then we are seeing more support, Ms themselves seems slow with some stuff (Correct me if I'm wrong, but for example, the desktop converter isn't widely available still right?) so perhaps that was actually their roadmap?