Windows president says platform is "evolving into an agentic OS," gets cooked in the replies — "Straight up, nobody wants this"

Is AI the Future of OS

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crazyriddler

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Well, it seems that Microsoft is still determined to turn Windows into an operating system where AI is at the center of everything.

Despite the criticism, I imagine they believe that their users simply don't know what they want and are unable to envision the promising future of AI.

What does GAF think about this? Aren't you eager for Windows to focus on what really matters, which is AI? Videogames, system resource management, stability... these are things of the past. AI is all that matters. It's the future.

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We might not want AI in Windows, but does AI need Windows? Once AI becomes actually AI, MS might have trouble to still have customers. Every current talk about AI would then become pretty much obsolete and just pointless.
 
Dave's Garage actually laid out exactly what would bring me back to Windows. It's obvious he's still invested, he helped write the kernel after all. His video was very insightful and almost made me install W11 just because I admire Dave so much. I didn't end up doing it, but man I hope someone listens to him. Sounds awesome.
 
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My way forward when Win 10 support will end. I'm moving to Mac for my work-related tasks already.
 
As they get deeper in bed with OpenAI it will only get worse. Sam Altman just needs another 45bil to get his vision over the finish line and Nutella will be glad to oblige while he lays off another 30k people.
 
I saw musk saying something like the future is that there won't be an os. Just an ai that provides whatever you want etc. But he is a cunt so I don't know what to believe.
 
Just give people a barebone Windows OS (similiar to LTSC versions) and let them decide/install themselves what features and online services they need/want.
 
RoboFu said:
you will see some AI integration yes but just remember everything a CEO says is about trying to boost their stock. Everything.
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Bingo, this is destined for investors to buy more stock so top management can make even more. Remember that people at the top are overwhelmingly compensated in stock, not salary. Which has an adverse effect of them doing everything to boost the stock price with no view on long-term profitability.
 
pudel said:
Just give people a barebone Windows OS (similiar to LTSC versions) and let them decide/install themselves what features and online services they need/want.
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This is the way. Most people don't want that AI crap! They are going to be hurting when AI proves to be not as profitable as they thought.
 
poodaddy said:
Microsoft is lost.

It'll be interesting to see how the AI bubble progresses. Just how much bigger will it get before the inevitable pop?
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It's unfortunately a fact that AI is the future in many industries, to think otherwise is like burying ones head in the sand, as your post shows. If something saves companies time and money they'll all use it. The only thing any company truly cares about is the bottom line, as sad as that may be.
 
Unknown? said:
This is the way. Most people don't want that AI crap! They are going to be hurting when AI proves to be not as profitable as they thought.
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At least I dont want an AI which is constantly monitoring my pc and talking constantly with MS. ;) I can absolute understand why MS is pushing this shit (in fact I think thats the only reason windows11 is even existing)...but from my point of view...thats a no go.
 
Negotiator101 said:
It's unfortunately a fact that AI is the future in many industries, to think otherwise is like burying ones head in the sand, as your post shows. If something saves companies time and money they'll all use it. The only thing any company truly cares about is the bottom line, as sad as that may be.
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it might not come as soon as some hope and others fear, but if I would have kids today I would almost send them to school just to have fun, learn some basics but not necessarily to learn anything usueful since there won't be jobs anymore when they leave the school system. 5 to 10 years to really crack the code necessary for actual AI seems imho very possible. We might live in the age of the biggest revolution of mankind ever.
 
I've moved all my non-work machines to linux and I've been pretty satisfied. When Win10 ends, I'll be fully on linux for everything by then.

SteamOS desktop needs to happen soon.
 
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crackajack said:
it might not come as soon as some hope and others fear, but if I would have kids today I would almost send them to school just to have fun, learn some basics but not necessarily to learn anything usueful since there won't be jobs anymore when they leave the school system. 5 to 10 years to really crack the code necessary for actual AI seems imho very possible. We might live in the age of the biggest revolution of mankind ever.
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That will be hellish for all of us lower class citizens. There will be a time period where the rich will just use robots and AI as much as possible to replace workers, eventually it will sort itself out with some form of hybrid socialist movement, but those 5 to 50 years will suck.
 
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Negotiator101 said:
It's unfortunately a fact that AI is the future in many industries, to think otherwise is like burying ones head in the sand, as your post shows. If something saves companies time and money they'll all use it. The only thing any company truly cares about is the bottom line, as sad as that may be.
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Nah, I don't think so. It's more costly than beneficial currently. Those huge data centers and brand new power plants to run them aren't cheap, much costlier to society and companies than saving a few hours.

The big money in AI right now is only there for what could be possible in the future, not what is possible now. If AI doesn't prove more useful in the coming years then investors will lose faith.
 
AI is definitely a future but I think that MS insistence on putting it into the OS core is misaligned and it should be just another set of applications running in the OS.
Then again we are talking about a company which spent the major part of the last 20 years putting unnecessary random shit into the OS core and then making it optional and then removing it completely.
So nothing's new.
 
If they don't do it someone else definitely will, but I'd but imagine even if they do, someone else will do it from scratch and better than MS will ever be able to with their relatively poor in house AI capabilities and Windows.
 
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they dont want us to be able to control our experience, pc hardware on windows is as if in jail, only advanced linux users can be in full control..

we are to want what they want us to want, it is sickening
 
poodaddy said:
Microsoft is lost.

It'll be interesting to see how the AI bubble progresses. Just how much bigger will it get before the inevitable pop?
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We saw nothing yet, bro:

My polish brain already thinking of 20 ways of how to "borrow" german audi's and bmw's with the help of that device :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Those bad boys are the definition of:
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Microsoft has been pushing AI with Windows for several years, and it just made the OS much worse.
Tons and tons of bugs. Issues with privacy and security. Performance problems. And Windows update constantly breaking things.
I don't want an "agentic OS". I want something that works well. Something I can rely on.

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Negotiator101 said:
It's unfortunately a fact that AI is the future in many industries, to think otherwise is like burying ones head in the sand, as your post shows. If something saves companies time and money they'll all use it. The only thing any company truly cares about is the bottom line, as sad as that may be.
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Do you have tangible examples of Ai being the future of some industries, except for companies pushing for it because it sells stocks and it's a CEO wet dream to not have to have to pay anyone?

So far, while it can for sure be an useful tool for specific things, it has mostly been a hype train with an handful of companies subsidizing each other and nobody actually making a profit, if not in stocks rising.

The market leader in model creations, open Ai, loses money every time someone uses their services, Nvidia invests in companies that then buy their hardware....all for the promise of a future that might happen.
 
I'm all in on AI/Machine learning, but I don't want an AI agent snooping and cataloging the contents of my private storage. transcribing my private documents and my private communications. Especially not when it's on an OS level. Even if MS says it's on your local machine only, let's just say I have trust issues with them.
Unless this Stasi wet-dream come true feature can be turned off, it's time to migrate to Linux.


AI can do amazing things, give it a few years and a single artist just needs to make a storyboard/animatic, run it in the AI and have a full animated episode similar to Rick & Morty or Helluva Boss.
 
ShaiKhulud1989 said:
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My way forward when Win 10 support will end. I'm moving to Mac for my work-related tasks already.
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I don't think macOS will be any different, they're just slower to the party. But AI Siri is well underway.

Microsoft should offer both and AI and non-AI version of Windows. With AI being subscription based and non-AI being an up front cost. I may move to Bazzite soon.
 
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Majukun said:
Do you have tangible examples of Ai being the future of some industries, except for companies pushing for it because it sells stocks and it's a CEO wet dream to not have to have to pay anyone?

So far, while it can for sure be an useful tool for specific things, it has mostly been a hype train with an handful of companies subsidizing each other and nobody actually making a profit, if not in stocks rising.

The market leader in model creations, open Ai, loses money every time someone uses their services, Nvidia invests in companies that then buy their hardware....all for the promise of a future that might happen.
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voice acting is almost certainly dead. at least for the minor roles.
webcamming can be replaced by anyone with a digital avatar or soon a digital figure doing all the time autonomously some stuff, so the actually good looking girls might need personailty now.
analyst for banks might be something that were anyway just guessworking their ass off, but might be replaced by actually ALL data anaylsing programms
none of which is actual AI imho, but just test areas for the current output.

but "the promise of a future" is imho just huge. It's atom bomb + climate change + industrial reolution + IT combined levels of huge. The first one to have it, has insane power and you can't wait to adopt and copy it just later. If companies would not go bonkers over it themselves, I think governments would. It's our generations space race, just against China this time and not CCCP.
 
As someone who has barely ever touched Linux (worked on a Raspberry Pi for a Pi-install, though), Microsoft and their desperate AI fuckery have made me seriously consider giving it a shot on my separate Windows 10 laptop. I need to look into the Windows 10 LTSC conversion on my main desktop PC, too.

pudel said:
Just give people a barebone Windows OS (similiar to LTSC versions) and let them decide/install themselves what features and online services they need/want.
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This would be a reasonable, thoughtful approach to Windows 11, so it's also something I don't see Microsoft even consider doing at this point unless W11 is a massive clusterfuck.
 
I have to admit that after removing all the telemetry crap, AI services, a bunch of useless services, and the shovelware that comes with Windows, it's still a comfortable OS to use.

But it takes more and more work to do all this, and in the end, the effort won't be worth it if they keep putting crap embedded in the heart of the OS, and I'll prefer to deal with Linux.
 
I feel like a cantankerous old man sometimes. Like, I LOOOOOVE technology and am a bleeding edge adopter of most things but I do not want AI shit in every single thing I touch.

Valve save us all.
 
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Unknown? said:
Nah, I don't think so. It's more costly than beneficial currently. Those huge data centers and brand new power plants to run them aren't cheap, much costlier to society and companies than saving a few hours.

The big money in AI right now is only there for what could be possible in the future, not what is possible now. If AI doesn't prove more useful in the coming years then investors will lose faith.
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The problem is that when people think of the future of AI, they think of the best possible thing where it works like the human mind or better, but the sad truth is that it will never work like that. We live in a world with ever changing scenarios and events that it can never ever grasp, and the more it learns the more it will get wrong because it won't know how to precisely get the right answer because that isn't black and white, and isn't something that can be coded/taught.
 
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poodaddy said:
Microsoft is lost.

It'll be interesting to see how the AI bubble progresses. Just how much bigger will it get before the inevitable pop?
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AI will 100% be part of our human future. That much we all need to embrace. But some of these companies need to learn when and how to implement it.
 
crackajack said:
it might not come as soon as some hope and others fear, but if I would have kids today I would almost send them to school just to have fun, learn some basics but not necessarily to learn anything usueful since there won't be jobs anymore when they leave the school system. 5 to 10 years to really crack the code necessary for actual AI seems imho very possible. We might live in the age of the biggest revolution of mankind ever.
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I think it's the responsibility of governments worldwide to not let that happen but instead for it to be used sparingly to help achieve goals faster and more efficiently but not to effectively eliminate the need for human input.
 
crazyriddler said:
I have to admit that after removing all the telemetry crap, AI services, a bunch of useless services, and the shovelware that comes with Windows, it's still a comfortable OS to use.

But it takes more and more work to do all this, and in the end, the effort won't be worth it if they keep putting crap embedded in the heart of the OS, and I'll prefer to deal with Linux.
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Not really. Just use this:

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An AI managed OS will be far more useful for most normal people, and only power users need to have access to the mostly obscure options Windows provides. The interface as it stands is anything but user friendly. Most young people have no clue about how to use a command prompt, or even what a fucking folder structure is. For power users there will be options, but for casual users an AI managed OS will be the future.
 
Holammer said:
I'm all in on AI/Machine learning, but I don't want an AI agent snooping and cataloging the contents of my private storage. transcribing my private documents and my private communications. Especially not when it's on an OS level. Even if MS says it's on your local machine only, let's just say I have trust issues with them.
Unless this Stasi wet-dream come true feature can be turned off, it's time to migrate to Linux.


AI can do amazing things, give it a few years and a single artist just needs to make a storyboard/animatic, run it in the AI and have a full animated episode similar to Rick & Morty or Helluva Boss.
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This is low key INCREDIBLE!!!
 
"It's clear that Windows' reputation is at an all time low right now, and Microsoft's insistence on pushing towards an AI-powered future is not helping things. Many customers want Windows to be a platform that gets out of the way, but the last few years have seen Windows become enshittified in unapologetic ways."

And this from Windows Central.


Also, "agentic OS"? More corpobabble... When I heard "agentic," this is what came to mind.

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I already quarantine my windows machine to be games only. I don't do any other actual computing on it, I use Linux for work and Mac for my typical web browsing and shit.
 
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