Windows president says platform is "evolving into an agentic OS," gets cooked in the replies — "Straight up, nobody wants this"

Is AI the Future of OS


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AI will 100% be part of our human future. That much we all need to embrace. But some of these companies need to learn when and how to implement it.
I actually agree with this, but the numbers don't match up right now. The power, data, bandwidth, and hardware requirements are such that, as of right now at least, the march of AI is factually unsustainable, but I do believe they'll improve efficiency, and I believe we're pretty close to some remarkable breakthroughs in fusion, and with the advent of nuclear as well, I do anticipate that AI will always be a part of our life, that's a given, but I do think the over investing into it will be ending soon, as only a few companies have made money in AI. For the vast majority of companies who have invested, it has become nothing more than a money sink and it's unlikely to ever be anything more, such is why many of the smaller companies who invested are now divesting.

AI isn't something that's going away, but the current AI zeitgeist and the economy around it are absolutely bubbles; we just don't know how close the needle is.
 
AI will 100% be part of our human future. That much we all need to embrace. But some of these companies need to learn when and how to implement it.
But the future ain't human.

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I actually agree with this, but the numbers don't match up right now. The power, data, bandwidth, and hardware requirements are such that, as of right now at least, the march of AI is factually unsustainable, but I do believe they'll improve efficiency, and I believe we're pretty close to some remarkable breakthroughs in fusion, and with the advent of nuclear as well, I do anticipate that AI will always be a part of our life, that's a given, but I do think the over investing into it will be ending soon, as only a few companies have made money in AI. For the vast majority of companies who have invested, it has become nothing more than a money sink and it's unlikely to ever be anything more, such is why many of the smaller companies who invested are now divesting.

AI isn't something that's going away, but the current AI zeitgeist and the economy around it are absolutely bubbles; we just don't know how close the needle is.

The bolded will be proven true in a few years. We both will be 1 million percent proven correct on that. It's almost super obvious to me if you read into it just a bit.
 
Despite the criticism, I imagine they believe that their users simply don't know what they want and are unable to envision the promising future of AI.
This has always been MS's way. That's why they win all those marketing awards. They're good at getting rabid to accept and go to war for them with "what they push is what you want."
 
Honestly. Valve and Linux smell blood in the water. For gamers I can really see Windows going in the bin over the next 5 years.

If I can run the essential apps, all my games and browse the web. I'd happily ditch windows.
 
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This has always been MS's way. That's why they win all those marketing awards. They're good at getting rabid to accept and go to war for them with "what they push is what you want."
I don't remember when it worked for them though. They were met with widespread rejection with Xbox One, Kinect, TVTVTVTVTV, and always online. The same thing happened with the Windows 8 start menu and the UWP apps "the future of Windows". In both cases, they had to backtrack after months of nagging.
 
Someone has to give AI all their attention, I wish it weren't M$ but I think Microsoft knows historically they're an os/software company and I don't see why not
 
IM all for linux being the new gaming overload of desktops but it needs a ton more work, half the shit and perphrials don't work. Nvidia doesn't support and they at 70%+ of the market in gaming GPU's. Half my library won't work without having to become a command line god and tweaking ever setting to still lose performance on most games. For these reasons alone I'm not expecting anything to get better. Microsoft will still dominate for the next 10 years. If you don't want to deal with PC issues, and there are a ton just get a next gen console and call it a day. Id gladly spend 1000 for a next gen console if it was powerful enough to give me 4k/120 in all games. Pc's are becoming mobile devices now and you can't game on these for my purposes.
 

Microsoft's latest Insider build quietly enables an autonomous AI Agent running in a separate environment with persistent background activity, raising questions around performance, privacy, and Windows' future direction.

Microsoft has started experimenting with a new AI Agent feature in Windows 11, and it has already appeared in Insider Build 26220.7262. Testers in the Dev and Beta channels will find a new "Experimental Agent" toggle under Settings > System > AI Elements. The feature arrives only weeks after Microsoft leadership discussed plans to transform Windows into an "AI Agentic OS," a statement that drew heavy criticism from users. Despite the pushback, the underlying components are now active in preview builds.

This AI Agent is not just another Copilot-related function. It runs as an autonomous background entity with its own execution environment, including a separate desktop session and system account. Instead of operating under the user's profile, it works in isolation while still being allowed access to approved directories like desktop, pictures, music, and videos. The goal is to let the Agent carry out multi-step tasks in the background—browsing, searching, compiling information, or performing actions—without interfering with the user's main desktop.

Windows displays multiple warnings before enabling the feature. Microsoft notes that continuous background activity may affect performance, and resource usage can vary depending on workload. Early observations confirm that the Agent remains active even when idle, consuming CPU, memory, or NPU cycles. Systems with limited hardware may see a more noticeable impact. Security and privacy concerns are also part of the warnings, as the Agent has access to personal file paths and operates persistently.

The design mirrors modern autonomous AI workflows used in tools like ChatGPT agents, where the system can open a workspace, interact with applications, follow multi-step procedures, and wait for user confirmation before executing final actions. Microsoft has implemented this using a separate system account to maintain a boundary between the user's desktop and the Agent's environment. Both operate on the same machine but remain logically isolated.

For now, the feature remains strictly optional, and only Insider testers can enable it. However, its presence reinforces Microsoft's direction: Windows is gradually shifting toward deeper AI integration, with autonomous processes playing a larger role in future builds. Whether users ultimately welcome or resist these changes, the AI Agent appears to be a foundational component of Windows' long-term roadmap.

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I'm so sick and tired of Microsoft pushing their AI slop into every corner of Windows and Office apps....
 
I think they've set themselves on a path where they have to make AI work in consumer-facing applications. I'm not sure I buy that they actually believe any of what they're saying... similar to Xbox!

Windows 11 is kind of a lost cause at this point, but if Windows 12 doubles down and there's no "lite" version that doesn't have all that garbage, I think I'm going to start using a separate computer for work that's using current stuff and then just keep a Windows 10 machine that's strictly for gaming, with none of the bullshit on there. I'm not convinced that Linux is going to be that all-encompassing solution for me, however much work is going into it these days.
 
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I think they've set themselves on a path where they have to make AI work in consumer-facing applications
This is true for many other tech companies as well. They've invested so much in this shit that they have to put this into products so they can claim in front of their investors that "everybody is using our AI features!" (because no one has a choice). Google do the same thing with their enshittified search engine, where you'll still get wrong "AI summaries" that are forced down the normal user's throat, "this feature is used by most of our user base!".
 



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I'm so sick and tired of Microsoft pushing their AI slop into every corner of Windows and Office apps....
Oh, MS is full steam ahead on this shit. MS Ignite conference is happening this week and there is a ton of sessions about agentic compute on top of desktop.

Hackers can already smell the exploits in the air!
 
Dave's Garage actually laid out exactly what would bring me back to Windows. It's obvious he's still invested, he helped write the kernel after all. His video was very insightful and almost made me install W11 just because I admire Dave so much. I didn't end up doing it, but man I hope someone listens to him. Sounds awesome.

The funny thing is that he talks about Windows to generate content, but he uses macOS on a daily basis.
 
That's why I'm rooting for Steam OS to keep growing and attracting new customers and getting new apps. It's the only alternative if I want to keep playing PC games in the future.

Microsoft will definitely maintain current 'AI in everything' trajectory no matter what. There's an enormous incentive to cut costs and to rob people of even more privacy as a bonus.
 
The funny thing is that he talks about Windows to generate content, but he uses macOS on a daily basis.
You could also say he talks about Windows because, ....he worked for Microsoft and a lot of his code and features he made are still used long after he left. Most of his content is about older Windows 95 era stuff, and highlighting things that eventually did get incorporated into Windows 11, such as the Zip file support being expanded upon, etc. He also runs various Linux distros on a few systems too. If you're trying to dunk on him for "talking about Windows to generate content" then I don't get your point as he's probably one of the more qualified ones out there to be talking about it.
 



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I'm so sick and tired of Microsoft pushing their AI slop into every corner of Windows and Office apps....
Just another way for them to steal data and train their AI for free
 
The funny thing is that he talks about Windows to generate content, but he uses macOS on a daily basis.

I'm really glad he talks about Windows, considering he has inside knowledge about it. He is very insightful with his stories and analysis.
But he doesn't just talk about Windows. He also talks about old computers and OSes. And security, Linux, MacOs, AI, programing, etc.
He is one of the few tech personalities on youtube that actually knows what he is talking about. And then some.
 
Windows displays multiple warnings before enabling the feature. Microsoft notes that continuous background activity may affect performance, and resource usage can vary depending on workload. Early observations confirm that the Agent remains active even when idle, consuming CPU, memory, or NPU cycles. Systems with limited hardware may see a more noticeable impact. Security and privacy concerns are also part of the warnings, as the Agent has access to personal file paths and operates persistently.

Imagine defending Windows 11 at this point...
 
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I've only gamed on Windows for a few years and I'm already sick of it. I hope Valve takes over with SteamOS and put Windows gaming out of its misery. Absolute shit OS.
 
Windows 12 is going to have all this stuff natively and a lot more. It's going to be a nightmare and impossible to remove. I hope Steam OS desktop becomes a thing soon.
 
I strongly believe people are only seeing the tin hat negatives while ignoring the positives.
Can't truly define ai unless we know EXACTLY how ai for that one situation is even used.
but if you can't define it then how you can complain people are only seeing the negatives. They might be defining it differently.
 
You could also say he talks about Windows because, ....he worked for Microsoft and a lot of his code and features he made are still used long after he left. Most of his content is about older Windows 95 era stuff, and highlighting things that eventually did get incorporated into Windows 11, such as the Zip file support being expanded upon, etc. He also runs various Linux distros on a few systems too. If you're trying to dunk on him for "talking about Windows to generate content" then I don't get your point as he's probably one of the more qualified ones out there to be talking about it.

I know, I'm familiar with his channel and I've seen some of his videos. But that doesn't make him immune to criticism, he tends to say some silly things from time to time. The most recent was him saying that to access public Wi-Fi, all you need is an HTTPS connection. Or another time when he said that the Linux kernel has a backdoor that only Linus Torvalds has access to.
I mentioned that he talks a lot about Windows, but he doesn't use Windows. There's a video of him where he says his main computers are Macs.

He also doesn't like it when people ask him about the software company he used to own, which was a scam and for which he was sued.


 
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The day I no longer can turn off copilot and other "helpful" AI-bloat shit in windows AND Ableton gets native Linux support.. that's the day i'm quitting windows.
 
Oh, MS is full steam ahead on this shit. MS Ignite conference is happening this week and there is a ton of sessions about agentic compute on top of desktop.

Hackers can already smell the exploits in the air!
Fucking hell, man. If only you knew how many live and deployed vulnerable websites/webapps (possibly made through the use of AI) I have stumbled on already in the past few weeks...
 
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but if you can't define it then how you can complain people are only seeing the negatives. They might be defining it differently.

but if you can't define it then how you can complain people are only seeing the negatives. They might be defining it differently.
So you're saying they're worried about something based off of assumptions, but don't know exactly what to be worried about?
Doesn't need to define because it all falls under the same category.

The rest is pinpoint unique situations.
 
Oh, MS is full steam ahead on this shit. MS Ignite conference is happening this week and there is a ton of sessions about agentic compute on top of desktop.

Hackers can already smell the exploits in the air!

I look forward to the super cut video of the stage speakers saying "AI" and "Agentic" in fast succession.

I already hate the word agentic, right up there with vibe coding.
 
Fucking hell, man. If only you knew how many live and deployed vulnerable websites/webapps (possibly made through the use of AI) I have stumbled on already in the past few weeks...
I can certainly guess since I work with our cyber team super closely and things are getting worse.
 
Hard to see right now but Agentic AI IS the future or actually the present. Yes, it is still rough but it's getting there pretty fast with all the money that is being poured on it.

LLM's in this sense are more of an interface thing than anything else. We old farts have a hard time understanding this because we have decades of clicking around in screens to get jobs done. Hell, it's 90% of a lot of people's jobs. But it won't be so in the future.

How else do you think we would enable computer interaction like we see in Scifi? (Think HAL, Ziggy, etc) Nadella said as much quite some time ago: AI (as we know it today but we actually mean LLMs) will be pretty much the only way we will interact with systems in the future. AI will orchrestrate interactions between systems to get whatever we want done.

Who wants to click around in a BI applications to get a comparison between last quarter's results and the same period in the last 5 years when you can pretty much ask it verabally (or write it if you prefer) to a system and it takes care of querying whatver it needs to bring that information? After reviewing it you can ask it to export it to a PDF and E-Mail it to whomever you want or post it on Teams or whatever.

Who wants to spend 10 minutes looking for an attachment received on your E-Mail 6 months ago to check a contract when you could ask it to the computer and have it there in 30 seconds?

The transition is rough but the future is bright it's just hard to imagine.
 
I just want my OS to be as clean as possible. I feel like having an embedded AI will just add to the clutter. I don't want the OS "looking over my shoulder" when I'm doing stuff. If you can't handle your own file organization then I don't know what to say. Get an iPad instead.

How else do you think we would enable computer interaction like we see in Scifi? (Think HAL, Ziggy, etc) Nadella said as much quite some time ago: AI (as we know it today but we actually mean LLMs) will be pretty much the only way we will interact with systems in the future. AI will orchrestrate interactions between systems to get whatever we want done.
MOTHER in Alien suddenly makes a whole lot of sense. Not much can go wrong in the system when you can only interface with the AI in it.
 
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Hard to see right now but Agentic AI IS the future or actually the present. Yes, it is still rough but it's getting there pretty fast with all the money that is being poured on it.

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Who wants to spend 10 minutes looking for an attachment received on your E-Mail 6 months ago to check a contract when you could ask it to the computer and have it there in 30 seconds?

The transition is rough but the future is bright it's just hard to imagine.
30 seconds? That's an eternity. I can already search any email I need in Thunderbird with all the search features in less than 30 seconds in most cases. Why would I need AI to do the same thing in 30 seconds?

You need to dream bigger.
 
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Hard to see right now but Agentic AI IS the future or actually the present. Yes, it is still rough but it's getting there pretty fast with all the money that is being poured on it.

LLM's in this sense are more of an interface thing than anything else. We old farts have a hard time understanding this because we have decades of clicking around in screens to get jobs done. Hell, it's 90% of a lot of people's jobs. But it won't be so in the future.

How else do you think we would enable computer interaction like we see in Scifi? (Think HAL, Ziggy, etc) Nadella said as much quite some time ago: AI (as we know it today but we actually mean LLMs) will be pretty much the only way we will interact with systems in the future. AI will orchrestrate interactions between systems to get whatever we want done.

Who wants to click around in a BI applications to get a comparison between last quarter's results and the same period in the last 5 years when you can pretty much ask it verabally (or write it if you prefer) to a system and it takes care of querying whatver it needs to bring that information? After reviewing it you can ask it to export it to a PDF and E-Mail it to whomever you want or post it on Teams or whatever.

Who wants to spend 10 minutes looking for an attachment received on your E-Mail 6 months ago to check a contract when you could ask it to the computer and have it there in 30 seconds?

The transition is rough but the future is bright it's just hard to imagine.
Didn't know Sam Altman was posting on GAF.

AI will have its applications, just not to the wide degree some people imagine. Especially, those who aren't tech literate. Its not a miracle cure or ultimate solution you can slap onto and into every situation. In some cases it hampers the process and procedures more than it helps it.
 
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