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[Three]

What do you mean it turned your consumption of content into a more efficient experience? I need explanations. Isn't consumption a passive thing, like you are watching a movie? What is the goal here and what is your workflow?

I think he means, as an example of consumption: instead of sitting there watching a 1 hour youtube video getting a summary via Harpa AI of the important part of the information he was looking for. He doesn't mean spoiling a movie instead of watching it.

 

[ozz ex machina]

I unapologetically love it. I already use agentic tools and it has turned my consumption of content into a deeper more efficient experience like no other. An agentic OS would further complement my overarching experience.

With that said, I do have a serious issue with Microsoft in the future of an agentic experience. CoPilot is sometimes like the worst nanny ever due to its role and place in institutions, thus being overprotective against some content (which could lead to legal actions), often blocking processing legit content.

..Which is why I have removed CoPilot and moved onto testing agentic tools like Harpa AI / Sider AI.

You really do have to expand on what you actually mean by "my consumption of content into a deeper more efficient experience like no other". Because currently, without context. You come across as an incredibly stupid person.

 

[deriks]

Maybe they're talking about like in the late 90s with "internet wil be the main thing", and launched Me/2000

...that didn't turn out good thou

 

[wolffy66]

Idk, AI everything seems almost inevitable at this point. Not only are all the big corporations betting everything on it, the govt is too.

Almost all new investment money is going into ai, hardware, data centers, and everything that goes with it.

They aren't gonna let it fail and its gonna go EVERYWHERE. The economy depends on it succeeding in a big way.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

I think he means, as an example of consumption: instead of sitting there watching a 1 hour youtube video getting a summary via Harpa AI of the important part of the information he was looking for. He doesn't mean spoiling a movie instead of watching it.

I dunno. For learning, I'll watch and make notes and do. Having an AI summary doesn't help me.

 

[nemiroff]

You come across as an incredibly stupid person.

And you come across as a retard

 

[lmimmfn]

Microsoft regarding Windows 11 "See that PC hardware you bought? That's ours now"

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

And you come across as a retard

But seriously, I'm genuinely interested in what you use it for and how! Please explain here.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Dave's Garage actually laid out exactly what would bring me back to Windows. It's obvious he's still invested, he helped write the kernel after all. His video was very insightful and almost made me install W11 just because I admire Dave so much. I didn't end up doing it, but man I hope someone listens to him. Sounds awesome.

Who's Dave? Does How would anyone like him get you excited about windows 11 and what does he have to do with it?

 

[Wolzard]

Microsoft is putting an AI agent on the Windows 11 taskbar, here's your first look

Windows 11 is getting AI agents built into the taskbar through the new Ask Copilot experience, powered by Agent connectors.

www.windowslatest.com

 

[ozz ex machina]

But seriously, I'm genuinely interested in what you use it for and how! Please explain here.

He won't because he probably had gpt write his initial message and even he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.

"Efficiently consuming content with the use of ai" is one of the most naueseating things I've read in a while.

Microsoft is putting an AI agent on the Windows 11 taskbar, here's your first look

Windows 11 is getting AI agents built into the taskbar through the new Ask Copilot experience, powered by Agent connectors.

www.windowslatest.com

It all gets turned off by me because I assume it will impact my fps.

 

[Soren01]

Hopefully, Windows 11 becoming agentic will help developers optimize and improve game programming

 

[Alan Silvestro]

Let it die.

 

[StereoVsn]

I unapologetically love it. I already use agentic tools and it has turned my consumption of content into a deeper more efficient experience like no other. An agentic OS would further complement my overarching experience.

With that said, I do have a serious issue with Microsoft in the future of an agentic experience. CoPilot is sometimes like the worst nanny ever due to its role and place in institutions, thus being overprotective against some content (which could lead to legal actions), often blocking processing legit content.

..Which is why I have removed CoPilot and moved onto testing agentic tools like Harpa AI / Sider AI.

Did AI write this, lol. Sounds like NeoGAF is one of those sources of efficient content consumption.

Is ChatGPT in the room with us?

 

[Diseased Yak]

I, for one, welcome our AI overlords!

(please put me on the list of people not to turn into a battery, overlords)

 

[StereoVsn]

I dunno. For learning, I'll watch and make notes and do. Having an AI summary doesn't help me.

Try NotebookLM. It's the best learning resource I have seen and tried and it's (mostly) free.

It lets you compile your sources (and find more) and then build your queries against those sources only. That can include long papers, YouTube, web pages, etc.

Then you can build flash cards, create podcasts, do mind maps, study guides and a lot more. It's awesome and possibly my favorite Google product of all times.

Microsoft is putting an AI agent on the Windows 11 taskbar, here's your first look

Windows 11 is getting AI agents built into the taskbar through the new Ask Copilot experience, powered by Agent connectors.

www.windowslatest.com

To be fair this is mostly Enterprise targeted. Since Corpos are pushing for AI everywhere all the time in their employees and MS obliges.

Thing is what MS is also pushing on Enterprise side is governance, discoverability and security. They had a whole lot of that just announced at Ignite.

Anyways, life personal PC there should be a way to disable all of this crud.

I do admit some of the MS new support for local offline models is pretty cool though.

 

[A.Romero]

The problem is that AGI/ASI would defeat the purpose of an OS and even the person operating that OS hence the pushback. There would be no real need for "Windows" anymore. The people who use an OS want an OS that doesn't spy on them teaching these models to replace them. The old fashioned people just want a machine they operate to perform tasks themselves.

I disagree.

Even with AGI/ASI around people would still use tech resources and therefore you would need an interface to interact with them that would use both voice and graphics. All this shit is transitional but beyond this stage lies its true potential. We've seen glimpses of how this could be in movies, games and books.

I understand why a lot of people reject the idea of training AI models that will eventually replace them and in a lot of ways it is just resistance to change, just like any other revolutionary tech that has been part of humanity in the past and changes things radically... Only this time the potential it has goes beyond anything we have seen before.

 

[Three]

I disagree.

Even with AGI/ASI around people would still use tech resources and therefore you would need an interface to interact with them that would use both voice and graphics. All this shit is transitional but beyond this stage lies its true potential. We've seen glimpses of how this could be in movies, games and books.

Visual and voice communication would be needed but I think local hardware, an OS in particular "windows" and most productivity applications would become pointless if AGI and especially ASI take over. I mean why would you need a window to launch different applications like showing you excel if you can just ask your assistant (who is more clever than you if ASI) to perform the tasks and just show you the relevant info through a display? You wouldnt need to navigate an OS to perform tasks at all because it would be doing it and just displaying information that you might not even need anymore. The single display app or browser could show you things from the cloud and be just as competent as the local "OS". Then you've got to ask what is an OS anymore, I wouldn't need file management and folders, I wouldn't need to be presented a list of applications to launch, I wouldn't click on a gmail or outlook icon to show me a list of emails, I wouldn't need a calendar if the ASI is my personal assistant I simply talk to. What tasks would I be performing in the OS UI myself? That's the whole point I believe, I would be giving up agency to the "agent" and not need to perform tasks myself. Some even tried AI interfaces without a screen in the past with the Humane Ai Pin but this is before AGI/ASI. Wear some Google Glass like device and just ask it to do everything/show things without you needing to actually perform anything in what you would consider an "OS" UI today. You wouldn't need to operate anything if it's agentic. It would all just be data accessed and consumed on the cloud and no actual tasks to perform in a UI.

 

[A.Romero]

Visual and voice communication would be needed but I think local hardware, an OS in particular "windows" and most productivity applications would become pointless if AGI and especially ASI take over. I mean why would you need a window to launch different applications like showing you excel if you can just ask your assistant (who is more clever than you if ASI) to perform the tasks and just show you the relevant info through a display? You wouldnt need to navigate an OS to perform tasks at all because it would be doing it and just displaying information that you might not even need anymore. The single display app or browser could show you things from the cloud and be just as competent as the local "OS". Then you've got to ask what is an OS anymore, I wouldn't need file management and folders, I wouldn't need to be presented a list of applications to launch, I wouldn't click on a gmail or outlook icon to show me a list of emails, I wouldn't need a calendar if the ASI is my personal assistant I simply talk to. What tasks would I be performing in the OS UI myself? That's the whole point I believe, I would be giving up agency to the "agent" and not need to perform tasks myself. Some even tried AI interfaces without a screen in the past with the Humane Ai Pin but this is before AGI/ASI. Wear some Google Glass like device and just ask it to do everything/show things without you needing to actually perform anything in what you would consider an "OS" UI today. You wouldn't need to operate anything if it's agentic. It would all just be data accessed and consumed on the cloud and no actual tasks to perform in a UI.

You are right in the sense that a list of applications and such wouldn't be needed but even if every single compute task is done in the cloud, you still need a way to interface with it locally. It is still an OS because by definition an OS is the interface humans use to interact with computers and digital devices, regardless of where that processing is done.

Yes, you can ask "tell me what NASDAQ is today" but if you want to see a trend you won't want it to just tell you "On the first quarter of 2023 it was, on the second quarter was, then went up to during the third quarter, then it took a dip". For this, you might actually want to look at a chart. There are several scenarios (not just Q&A) that require information to be displayed for human consumption because that's the way we as humans work. What a very capable AI would save you from is having to open a browser, typing "www.google.com" or whatever and then type the information you want to see. Even more so if the kind of data you are looking for might reside in different systems. So for example, you could ask it "give me a comparison of how my investments have performend year to date compared to NASDAQ". This would require you to pull information from your portfolio, put it in Excel or whatever and do the same with NASDAQ from another source (as right now you wouldn't normally find that precise comparison by default in your own investment porffolio at a glance).

It wouldn't be Windows in it's current form for sure but what Microsoft might be doing is striving to be that universal interface and so far they are the closest to getting there thanks to their market penetration and because they have been investing heavily in AI for a while. You are right about different ways to display this information (the end game would be to have it injected directly into your brain through something like neural link) but even just interface to interact with the AI layer (which would orchrestate many different underlying systems) would be an OS.

Now, while that stuff is a reality there are many steps in between that require Windows as it is right now and AI in the presentation we have today (LLM's/Agentic AI). Copilot right now is pretty crappy but it's slowly getting there and at some point not too far into the future it will make having to interact with OS in the way we currently do obsolete.

It's not for everyone, that's for sure. For example I prefer reading than listening because I can read faster so I would still want to see my E-Mail list but there are people that probably prefer to listen to their E-Mails.

 

[simpatico]

Who's Dave? Does How would anyone like him get you excited about windows 11 and what does he have to do with it?

Microsoft Windows kernel OG. He's passionate and helped create an OS durable enough to withstand two decades of "international" software "developers" spaghetti slop being heaped on top of it. And somehow it still mostly works. Incredible.

 

[ReBurn]

I use agentic AI for tons of stuff now. I performed about a month's worth of system architecture design in about 3 days with validated and running code samples. I'd love to have that kind of productivity tooling built in to my operating system. I don't see where agentic AI has implications for gaming unless you want Windows to play the game for you, but for actual productivity tasks it would be pretty rad for me.

 

[Three]

You are right in the sense that a list of applications and such wouldn't be needed but even if every single compute task is done in the cloud, you still need a way to interface with it locally. It is still an OS because by definition an OS is the interface humans use to interact with computers and digital devices, regardless of where that processing is done.

It's a barebones OS (as in kernel, device drivers etc) in that it doesn't need to be "windows" anymore. A Chromebook, a browser, a single app or any other barebones thinclient OS that can display text, images and video would do the trick. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that the OS advantage actually disappears when you no longer need applications, folders, icons, a windowing system, etc.

Yes, you can ask "tell me what NASDAQ is today" but if you want to see a trend you won't want it to just tell you "On the first quarter of 2023 it was, on the second quarter was, then went up to during the third quarter, then it took a dip". For this, you might actually want to look at a chart.

This is not really agentic though with or without a display. Even pretty stupid Alexa combined with an Echo Show can display this sort of thing. Agentic would not require you to even ask this question of it. Ask yourself why do you want to look at the NASDAQ? Agentic would do that task for you. So "invest for me" would be the task that AGI and especially ASI would perform for you as an agent and likely outperform you on. As AI becomes more and more advanced the need for those steps where you have agency in a task disappear.

There are several scenarios (not just Q&A) that require information to be displayed for human consumption because that's the way we as humans work. What a very capable AI would save you from is having to open a browser, typing "www.google.com" or whatever and then type the information you want to see. Even more so if the kind of data you are looking for might reside in different systems. So for example, you could ask it "give me a comparison of how my investments have performend year to date compared to NASDAQ". This would require you to pull information from your portfolio, put it in Excel or whatever and do the same with NASDAQ from another source (as right now you wouldn't normally find that precise comparison by default in your own investment porffolio at a glance).

I get that visual information is good in making the human understand but I'm not seeing how this would put Windows ahead. I'm saying this would be the end of local applications/programs that windows relies on to keep people needing windows, especially productivity applications. AI would only require a capability to display information to the human. any local "application/program/windowing system" we have currently is only there as a user interface for the human to perform a task, who might not even be required to do the productivity tasks anymore. So for example why are you using excel to display this? Just ask for that "report" of whatever it is you're using excel to achieve. Hell you can even skip the report and let it be the boss of whatever that report was going to influence.

Now, while that stuff is a reality there are many steps in between that require Windows as it is right now and AI in the presentation we have today (LLM's/Agentic AI).

This is true, for now it is useful for tasks that AI is not smart enough to be completely agentic on but when AGI/ASI becomes a reality windows could very well disappear. There would be no reason for humans to operate an "operating system" UI or applications, folders, settings, etc at all.

It's not for everyone, that's for sure. For example I prefer reading than listening because I can read faster so I would still want to see my E-Mail list but there are people that probably prefer to listen to their E-Mails.

I hate dealing with emails in general. If you have an agent who does that for you you might not need to read or listen to them at all.

 

[A.Romero]

It's a barebones OS (as in kernel, device drivers etc) in that it doesn't need to be "windows" anymore. A Chromebook, a browser, a single app or any other barebones thinclient OS that can display text, images and video would do the trick. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that the OS advantage actually disappears when you no longer need applications, folders, icons, a windowing system, etc.

This is not really agentic though with or without a display. Even pretty stupid Alexa combined with an Echo Show can display this sort of thing. Agentic would not require you to even ask this question of it. Ask yourself why do you want to look at the NASDAQ? Agentic would do that task for you. So "invest for me" would be the task that AGI and especially ASI would perform for you as an agent and likely outperform you on. As AI becomes more and more advanced the need for those steps where you have agency in a task disappear.

I get that visual information is good in making the human understand but I'm not seeing how this would put Windows ahead. I'm saying this would be the end of local applications/programs that windows relies on to keep people needing windows, especially productivity applications. AI would only require a capability to display information to the human. any local "application/program/windowing system" we have currently is only there as a user interface for the human to perform a task, who might not even be required to do the productivity tasks anymore. So for example why are you using excel to display this? Just ask for that "report" of whatever it is you're using excel to achieve. Hell you can even skip the report and let it be the boss of whatever that report was going to influence.

This is true, for now it is useful for tasks that AI is not smart enough to be completely agentic on but when AGI/ASI becomes a reality windows could very well disappear. There would be no reason for humans to operate an "operating system" UI or applications, folders, settings, etc at all.

I hate dealing with emails in general. If you have an agent who does that for you you might not need to read or listen to them at all.

I agree with most of that. It is a barebones OS but still an OS. Does it need to be Windows? No. Does Microsoft want it to be Windows? Yes.

It is agentic AI but different use cases. It's true that you might want to delegate your whole decision making to an ASI/AGI (which in itself involves much more radical change) but there will still be a lot of users that want some kind of involvement. Many people will still want to use charts and display all kinds of information for many things like decision making, communicating and even teaching.

I understand hating dealing with emails or many other things but again, humans will still need to communicate and might prefer different types of interfaces. I don't like text to speech not because of how it sounds or whatever (it's very competent nowadays) but because I prefer reading than listening or watching videos (unless I'm doing something else simultaneously). At the end, all of that could be possible so we can pick and choose how to approach it and that's a big part of what the OS does.

 

[genesisblock]

I hate this word "agentic". It's the "Kinect" of AI. A tacky, corporate feature built for no purpose than to inconvenience the user.

 

[cramoss]

You just know Microsoft will make DirectX 13 packed with exclusive features or stuff that's hard to translate to other APIs like Vulkan or translation layers like Proton, just to keep people on Windows for gaming related purposes.

 

[Sethbacca]

Microsoft is putting an AI agent on the Windows 11 taskbar, here's your first look

Windows 11 is getting AI agents built into the taskbar through the new Ask Copilot experience, powered by Agent connectors.

www.windowslatest.com