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[Jex]

the point of a forum is to discuss and inform, not make trite comments about google.

would it really have been that hard to say PLastic MOdelling?

I've never used that word myself, I was just quoting duckroll. I googled to find the answer out.

 

[Envelope]

I've never used that word myself, I was just quoting duckroll. I googled to find the answer out.

Well, I did quote the wrong comment, so I had it coming.

 

[Haly]

Boy the new thread barely started and we're already getting into the thick of it.

Anyway, Planetes!

This is the image most commonly associated with Planetes:

What that image puts me in mind of:
- Lots of breathtaking shots of our blue marble
- A down on his luck spacetrash man struggling with something, possibly existential
- Deep and profound philosophizing
- Some environmental commentary or whatever
- Slow and deliberate pacing, dialogue, cinematography

What I was not expecting:

Basically, I was expecting something with the mood/tone of Voices Of a Distant Star/Pale Cocoon. What I'm getting is a romcom about a naive, well meaning girl and a guy who's given up on reaching his dreams. Amid all the antics, she'll teach him the importance of love, peace and believing in oneself. They'll kiss in the last episode or whatever and live happily ever after.

 

[Jex]

Boy the new thread barely started and we're already getting into the thick of it.

Anyway, Planetes!

This is the image most commonly associated with Planetes:

What that image puts me in mind of:
- Lots of breathtaking shots of our blue marble
- A down on his luck spacetrash man struggling with something, possibly existential
- Deep and profound philosophizing
- Some environmental commentary or whatever
- Slow and deliberate pacing, dialogue, cinematography

Basically, I was expecting something with the mood/tone of Voices Of a Distant Star/Pale Cocoon. What I'm getting is a romcom about a naive, well meaning girl and a guy who's given up on reaching his dreams. Amid all the antics, she'll teach him the importance of love, peace and believing in oneself. They'll kiss in the last episode or whatever and live happily ever after.

It's actually both. Yeah, you heard me right. That opening is deceptive though.

 

[Geneijin]

Save your rage for when the PapaKiki BDs outsell the Lagrange BDs.

But we're talking about Lagrange and Madoka. There is nobody in PapaKiki that has as much marketability as her.

 

[Noirulus]

Don't you dare stir this up again!

Welllll, it's true...

jkjk

 

[Crash Station]

Phi Brand Detergent 19

I do love spiral eyes.

The bike puzzle was actually really cool. Someone should make a game out it. I'd definitely play it even if it was hard as hell.

 

[Envelope]

But we're talking about Lagrange and Madoka. There is nobody in PapaKiki that has as much marketability as her.

You underestimate the power of Hina.

 

[Jex]

I don't think anyone gives a crap about the ratings on any site. The only thing ANN is good for is for their show and staff database, which users help to update to the best of our ability. It's a great reference source as long as it is accurate. User ratings = ROFLMAO GTFO.

Yeah, but user ratings can be pretty fun sometimes.

Occasionally.

Well, mainly to get annoyed at, actually.

 

[madp]

I highly doubt that'll happen.

If only I had your confidence. What's the reason for PapaKiki's OP selling so much anyway? It sounds like the same shitty techno-bubblegum song used for the OP of every otaku/lolicon show. Popular idol/seiyuu singing it?

 

[Dresden]

You underestimate the power of Hina.

Papapedo isn't going to outsell Lagrange.

If only I had your confidence.

I don't need confidence, I have my highly unreliable sources and links to pages I can't read without google translate.

What's the reason for PapaKiki's OP selling so much anyway? It sounds like the same shitty techno-bubblegum song used for the OP of every otaku/lolicon show. Popular idol/seiyuu singing it?

Probably this:

Opening Theme:
"Happy Girl" by Eri Kitamura
Ending Theme:
"Coloring" by Yui Horie

Nerd-friendly VAs.

 

[Jex]

How do you know it's actually bad or something just inaccessible to most viewers?

You shouldn't ever be trusting a random pool of X number of people (usually young teenagers) about anything.

You can trust us.

Well, at the very least we're accountable to what we say and at least (attempt) to back up our views through example and argument.

 

[Geneijin]

If only I had your confidence. What's the reason for PapaKiki's OP selling so much anyway? It sounds like the same shitty techno-bubblegum song used for the OP of every otaku/lolicon show. Popular idol/seiyuu singing it?

It's a good shitty techno-bubblegum song. In all seriousness.

 

[Thoraxes]

Save your rage for when the PapaKiki BDs outsell the Lagrange BDs.

Fuuuuuu-

I highly doubt that'll happen.

I hope so.

 

[Jex]

Is School Days actively bad, though? It's a "troll" anime in that the content is pretty horrifying, but does that negate any other qualities it may actually have? Do people regret having watched it in the end?

Well, of course it is. I wouldn't recommend it so highly if it wasn't amazingly terrible in many hitherto unforeseen ways.

It's pretty bad. There isn't much quality in the actual direction, art, writing, pacing, or animation.

Yeah, but you're forgetting the most important thing. The heart.

 

[madp]

I don't need confidence, I have my highly unreliable sources and links to pages I can't read without google translate.

Just set yourself up for disappointment with Amazon JP sales rankings like the rest of us.

 

[Jex]

Holland was a fucking douchebag for a good while though.

Yeah, but that's was part of his, er, appeal. He didn't even really have a good reason to engage in quite so many Bright-slaps against Renton - but he did anyway because kids gotta learn what the real world is like.

 

[PdotMichael]

What a week:

Pirates was strong
Rinne was strong
Another was strong
and now Chihayafuru

 

[madp]

It's a good shitty techno-bubblegum song. In all seriousness.

It lacks sufficient MARU!, however.

 

[Jex]

At least that can be easily solved. With the variety of members in here helping we could certainly recommend a pretty big spectrum of works of all types. You, PdotMichael, are included in that mission, of course!

It's quite hard to say that we possess a collective, homogenized view of anime. There's plenty of people here who like A B and C and other people who dislike A B and C, not to mention those fringe weirdos who like Z, which no-one else has ever even heard of. We're certainly not a hivemind. You can find a champion here for nearly every deserving cause.

 

[Envelope]

It lacks sufficient MARU!, however.

It appears the otaku are not as infatuated with maru as you are.

It's quite hard to say that we possess a collective, homogenized view of anime. There's plenty of people here who like A B and C and other people who dislike A B and C, not to mention those fringe weirdos who like Z, which no-one else has ever even heard of. We're certainly not a hivemind. You can find a champion here for nearly every deserving cause.

And many undeserving causes as well!

 

[Geneijin]

Just set yourself up for disappointment with Amazon JP sales rankings like the rest of us.

I will avatar bet on this not happening. The fanservice in Rinne is not to be trifled with.

 

[Femmeworth]

What that image puts me in mind of:
- Lots of breathtaking shots of our blue marble
- A down on his luck spacetrash man struggling with something, possibly existential
- Deep and profound philosophizing
- Some environmental commentary or whatever
- Slow and deliberate pacing, dialogue, cinematography

Basically, I was expecting something with the mood/tone of Voices Of a Distant Star/Pale Cocoon. What I'm getting is a romcom about a naive, well meaning girl and a guy who's given up on reaching his dreams. Amid all the antics, she'll teach him the importance of love, peace and believing in oneself. They'll kiss in the last episode or whatever and live happily ever after.

It's much, much more than a romcom, trust me. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. How far are you?

It's actually both. Yeah, you heard me right. That opening is deceptive though.

As always, Jexhius knows what's up.

 

[PorcellainThrill]

You're really selling me on it right. That sounds thoroughly amazing. Thankfully I have no desire to waste my time or else I'd probably put that on right now. It's no surprise that people with questionable podcasting abilities/ability to formulate cogent arguments would trip over themselves when talking about such a topic but that sounds better than I could ever have hoped.

One should really earwitness mainguy's ability to laugh at anything he says. Anything.

The podcast can be consumed in the background, however a real time destroyer is reading through the 16 pages of fruitless "discussion" while listening.

 

[madp]

I will avatar bet on this not happening. The fanservice in Rinne is as affront as you'll get in any other fanservice anime, and it's just as appealing to those senses.

From my perspective the fanservice in Lagrange is significantly lighter than that in PapaKiki, where just the focus on underage characters is in and of itself a form of fanservice and then you have the characters in scads and scads of embarrassing and compromising situations on top of that.

Lagrange certainly has superior fanservice, but PapaKiki gives otaku their bread and butter perversion like walking in on little girls in the shower, accidentally falling on them, and so on. Their confidence in the otaku market appeal of their fanservice is pretty apparent--PapaKiki is the anime equivalent of those pictures that have, say, a dog driving a car but no one notices because of the extremely hot woman in the foreground. PapaKiki is blasting lolis in your face with such force that you don't notice that the hordes of shambling zombies in the distance. Lagrange can't compete with that.

 

[Dresden]

From my perspective the fanservice in Lagrange is significantly lighter than that in PapaKiki, where just the focus on underage characters is in and of itself a form of fanservice and then you have the characters in scads and scads of embarrassing and compromising situations on top of that.

Lagrange certainly has superior fanservice, but PapaKiki gives otaku their bread and butter perversion like walking in on little girls in the shower, accidentally falling on them, and so on. Their confidence in the otaku market appeal of their fanservice is pretty apparent--PapaKiki is the anime equivalent of those pictures that have, say, a dog driving a car but no one notices because of the extremely hot woman in the foreground. PapaKiki is blasting lolis in your face with such force that you don't notice that the hordes of shambling zombies in the distance. Lagrange can't compete with that.

Papapedo isn't going to do more than Mayo Chicken. They're going to sell more copies of the single than they will the DVDs/BDs.

I do agree about the fanservice, though, having read a bit of the manga. It's To Love Ru + Bunny Drop. And yes, that sounds rather creepy.

 

[Steroyd]

Papapedo isn't going to outsell Lagrange.


I don't need confidence, I have my highly unreliable sources and links to pages I can't read without google translate.

Lay it to us straight, you're using some measurement of fanservice for each series and calculating with that for a base.

 

[NewFresh]

Mad Pierrot is betting on the perversions of people.

 

[Steroyd]

From my perspective the fanservice in Lagrange is significantly lighter than that in PapaKiki, where just the focus on underage characters is in and of itself a form of fanservice and then you have the characters in scads and scads of embarrassing and compromising situations on top of that.

Lagrange certainly has superior fanservice, but PapaKiki gives otaku their bread and butter perversion like walking in on little girls in the shower, accidentally falling on them, and so on. Their confidence in the otaku market appeal of their fanservice is pretty apparent--PapaKiki is the anime equivalent of those pictures that have, say, a dog driving a car but no one notices because of the extremely hot woman in the foreground. PapaKiki is blasting lolis in your face with such force that you don't notice that the hordes of shambling zombies in the distance. Lagrange can't compete with that.

Yeah but, mechas!

 

[Lafiel]

Boy the new thread barely started and we're already getting into the thick of it.
Anyway, Planetes!
This is the image most commonly associated with Planetes:
What that image puts me in mind of:
- Lots of breathtaking shots of our blue marble
- A down on his luck spacetrash man struggling with something, possibly existential
- Deep and profound philosophizing
- Some environmental commentary or whatever
- Slow and deliberate pacing, dialogue, cinematography

Planetes is already three of those things.:

 

[Geneijin]

From my perspective the fanservice in Lagrange is significantly lighter than that in PapaKiki, where just the focus on underage characters is in and of itself a form of fanservice and then you have the characters in scads and scads of embarrassing and compromising situations on top of that.

The same can be said of Madoka, who's very much a form of fanservice being who she is.

Lagrange certainly has superior fanservice, but PapaKiki gives otaku their bread and butter perversion like walking in on little girls in the shower, accidentally falling on them, and so on. Their confidence in the otaku market appeal of their fanservice is pretty apparent--PapaKiki is the anime equivalent of those pictures that have, say, a dog driving a car but no one notices because of the extremely hot woman in the foreground. PapaKiki is blasting lolis in your face with such force that you don't notice that the hordes of shambling zombies in the distance. Lagrange can't compete with that.

PapaKiki is this season's Maken-ki. It will not outsell Madoka's otaku appeal.

 

[Jex]

And many undeserving causes as well!

Yes, but who decides what's deserving and undeserving?

Spoiler

I AM THE LAW

 

[Geneijin]

This video contains an audio track that has not been authorized by kingrecords.

Damn, they are at work on youtube.

 

[Jex]

One should really earwitness mainguy's ability to laugh at anything he says. Anything.

The podcast can be consumed in the background, however a real time destroyer is reading through the 16 pages of fruitless "discussion" while listening.

I approve of this fine new word.

 

[Haly]

It's actually both. Yeah, you heard me right. That opening is deceptive though.

Well, that's something to look forward to at least.

I think 0080, 08th MS Team and WoH kind of spoiled me. Can I enjoy cliched anime setups ever again?

 

[Jex]

Best Planetes review (spoilers for the ending):

http://awesomelyshitty.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/planetes/

It's from the same blog as the Oshii chart, so you know it's legit.

SPOILERS AHEAD: Man between that post, this post on Heat Guy J and this post on Moribito I can be sure never to trust anything this writer has to say about anything, ever. Even if they were correct.

 

[NewFresh]

Man between that post, this post on Heat Guy J and this post on Moribito I can be sure never to trust anything this writer has to say about anything, ever. Even if they were correct.

Well that AND he thinks Oshii is the worst director out there.

 

[Lafiel]

Man between that post, this post on Heat Guy J and this post on Moribito I can be sure never to trust anything this writer has to say about anything, ever. Even if they were correct.

Well he is right about Moribito..

 

[darkside31337]

Man between that post, this post on Heat Guy J and this post on Moribito I can be sure never to trust anything this writer has to say about anything, ever. Even if they were correct.

He must have been the guy working for Geneon.

 

[Jex]

The same can be said of Madoka, who's very much a form of fanservice being who she is.

Let's not brush over the heavy dose of fanservice in episode one either.

 

[Articalys]

Gankutsuou 7-12

This show can really get creepy at times. It's quite an experience to watch.

When this is all over, it's going to be fun to compare it to the novel and see just how much, if any, of the original plot remained intact.

 

[Neo C.]

From my perspective the fanservice in Lagrange is significantly lighter than that in PapaKiki, where just the focus on underage characters is in and of itself a form of fanservice and then you have the characters in scads and scads of embarrassing and compromising situations on top of that.

Lagrange certainly has superior fanservice, but PapaKiki gives otaku their bread and butter perversion like walking in on little girls in the shower, accidentally falling on them, and so on. Their confidence in the otaku market appeal of their fanservice is pretty apparent--PapaKiki is the anime equivalent of those pictures that have, say, a dog driving a car but no one notices because of the extremely hot woman in the foreground. PapaKiki is blasting lolis in your face with such force that you don't notice that the hordes of shambling zombies in the distance. Lagrange can't compete with that.

I don't agree. Focusing on underage characters is fanservice? That definition is... inflationary. I think PapaKiki is surprisingly low in terms of fanservice, quite enjoyable to watch, not very deep, just enough to relax.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

It's quite hard to say that we possess a collective, homogenized view of anime. There's plenty of people here who like A B and C and other people who dislike A B and C, not to mention those fringe weirdos who like Z, which no-one else has ever even heard of. We're certainly not a hivemind. You can find a champion here for nearly every deserving cause.

Oh god I hate A and B so much. Not sure about C though. And all of you should watch Planetes now.

Spoiler

And Monster. And Higurashi.

 

[Dresden]

He hates Kanon, surely you guys can find some common ground there.

 

[madp]

Papapedo isn't going to do more than Mayo Chicken. They're going to sell more copies of the single than they will the DVDs/BDs.

I do agree about the fanservice, though, having read a bit of the manga. It's To Love Ru + Bunny Drop. And yes, that sounds rather creepy.

So I suppose that means he

Spoiler

hooks up with ALL OF THEM

(Usagi Drop manga spoilers!) at the end of the story. Sounds about right.

Mad Pierrot is betting one the perversions of people.

I'm actually just incredibly pessimistic!

The same can be said of Madoka, who's very much a form of fanservice being who she is.

Unlike Madoka, the moelolis in PapaKiki aren't given any sort of personality to offset their objectification, so instead of being in the category of waifu service like Madoka, they inhabit the less classy category of fanservice that plays solely to the...uhh...more hands-on desires of the audience. It says something about Madoka that we remember her more for MARU! than the memoria check from the first episode or any of the rather choice angles she's depicted at in the Vox cockpit.

 

[jman2050]

Oh god I hate A and B so much. Not sure about C though. And all of you should watch Planetes now.

AnimeGAF mad libs incoming?

 

[Geneijin]

Unlike Madoka, the moelolis in PapaKiki aren't given any sort of personality to offset their objectification, so instead of being in the category of waifu service like Madoka, they inhabit the less classy category of fanservice that plays solely to the...uhh...more hands-on desires of the audience. It says something about Madoka that we remember her more for MARU! than the memoria check from the first episode or any of the rather choice angles she's depicted at in the Vox cockpit.

It's still a form of pandering. Personality isn't a requirement. Hyper caricatures and character quirks is sufficient for this group.

 

[darkside31337]

He hates Kanon, surely you guys can find some common ground there.

But Kanon 06 was awesome.

 

[Jex]

Well he is right about Moribito..

His argument is flawed in a number of places, actually. For example at one point he says:

You can’t start a series with a shitload of awesome action scenes, and then completely take them away.....If their intention was to make a slow-paced, thought-provoking series, and not an action show, they should have made that obvious from episode one.

There's actually very little action at the start of the series and the action scenes that are present are over with very quickly. He may have perceived there to be a 'shitload' but that's completely wrong.

Earlier he made this claim:

Exposition is all fine and good, but the problem is that the rest of the series was nothing but exposition. There was no more action. That’s it.

which is also totally wrong. Perhaps he's exaggerating to make a point, or something, but he's wrong. I mean, there's a number of action sequences beyond the opening (not a great deal though, that's true) three episodes and the rest of the show is certainly not all 'exposition' - there's character building all over the place, usually woven into the story itself in a seamless manner.

 

[Thoraxes]

Papa no Iukoto wo Kikinasai! 06

Welp.