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Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator
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The source of the best gifs from the anime.
hosannainexcelsis
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How about I say Kunihiko Ikuhara?
Seriously, I do think Mind Game bears a certain resemblance to Mawaru Penguin Drum, as well as Satoshi Kon's Paprika, in that all three works show a creative genius with an overabundance of ideas, who is able to make certain individual scenes which are masterpieces in themselves but the whole package comes off as a lopsided, incoherent mess. (Obviously this flaw is present in each work to different degrees.) It's an unfortunate side-effect of the creative potential of animation - it can be used to create amazingly fantastical worlds but it takes incredible skill and discipline on the part of a director to rein that in to an effective artistic statement.
It might be foreshadowing of some sort, but Japanese hospitals typically lack a fourth floor for that very reason.
He does the work so we don't have to!
Hmmmm. yes. However I like Mindgame a lot. Paprika is my favorite of those three.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Gintama is over?!Gintama 250
Yes, Gintama references its own Wikipedia article.
Tis sad. It appears we have two more weeks left before Gintama' comes to a close. Starting April 2 Gintama is being replaced with this. A one year hiatus gave us one years worth of anime before it caught back up to the manga. No word, but I fully expect Gintama to return in 2013.
Fuck, time to stop watching anime.
This was such a fun episode too. New Years must be a horrible time of year for cheap bastards.
Regulus Tera
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I hated Paprika.
Ultimadrago
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Yikes, guess I won't be watching Mind Game if it's that much worse than Paprika.
Regulus Tera
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I don't do narcotics.
hosannainexcelsis
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I was expecting Gintama' to run a year, so this news doesn't bother me at all. I'd rather speculate on what name Sunrise uses when they bring the show back next year:
Gintama''
Gintama!
Gintama?
Gintama!?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Gintama!!
They get a newband-member team-member.
They get a new
Ultimadrago
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Gives me time to potentially catch up.
That's your problem.
Gintama 250
Yes, Gintama references its own Wikipedia article.
Tis sad. It appears we have two more weeks left before Gintama' comes to a close. Starting April 2 Gintama is being replaced with this. A one year hiatus gave us one years worth of anime before it caught back up to the manga. No word, but I fully expect Gintama to return in 2013.
Wait wait wait, Gintama is going to get replaced by some Tekken 3 character who was probably cameoing from some other thing I don't know bout.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
But now you need to see why people hate/love it.
One year is worth the wait if we get an episode on the level of the Gintama' return.
These are pretty vague and general resemblances... I don't really understand this post.
It's not >_
Mind Game is a fun movie. It's just seen as being self-indulgent, which honestly it probably kind of is. But screw it, its a fun artistic mindfuck that is a lot of fun to watch.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Maybe. I just don't why Naruto and One Piece can run forever but they can run out of Gintama material so quickly.
I don't think it was really. I t was easy to follow. the only thing that was convoluted was the whole
inside the whale thing. But that still showed that Nishi was free to do what he wanted once he decided to dictate his own lifestyle
I don't know, man. I'm a hipster and I don't like it.
Oh I was mostly thinking of Paprika and MPD, which both did suffer from cohesion issues. Mind Game's story is actually pretty straightforward if shallow.
hosannainexcelsis
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It's worth watching for the creative visuals, if nothing else.
These are pretty vague and general resemblances... I don't really understand this post.
I wouldn't expect you to understand, since you don't care about narrative. The issue I'm talking about is when a work executes ideas brilliantly on a local level but doesn't pay enough attention to long-term pacing and coherency when stitching those ideas together. This creates a structural deficiency that makes the overall work less than satisfying. The works I mentioned are by no means the only ones that suffer from this problem, but they are what came to mind when I was seeking a frame of reference for my overall opinion on Mind Game.
Maybe. I just don't why Naruto and One Piece can run forever but they can run out of Gintama material so quickly.
Lots of filler and sloooow pacing.
Crash Station
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Maybe. I just don't why Naruto and One Piece can run forever but they can run out of Gintama material so quickly.
Other long running shounen incorporate lengthy filler arcs from time to time. When they do canon material, it's normally reasonably paced with the manga, usually going at a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio. The exception is OP which as of late has been going at a 1:1 and 1.5:1 ratio and doing virtually no filler, but OP chapters are also generally packed with more content so they can get away with it even if it messes up the pacing a bit.
I haven't read the Gintama manga, but I imagine Sorachi doesn't exactly put the most content into each chapter, particularly during the serious arcs. They could be going at a 4:1 ratio for all we know. They also are relatively short arcs compared to other long-running shounen, and so the series can't get away with long filler arcs.
Really can't think of any other reason why a mostly episodic show can get caught up so quickly.
You can scour youtube clips for "creative visuals".
Indeed for some people *coughpizzarollcough* it is the only way to watch One Piece or Naruto.
Ohmanohman I need this. It saddens me that nobody is talking about it, not even /m/.
I don't even expect the show to be that great, but it's the first super robot show in a long time that looks like its made by people who give a damn about them.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I wouldn't mind if they hired writers to make anime original stand-alone comedy episodes. Surely some of the episodes are anime original anyway, like the two "clip" shows.
Ah well, maybe it's a good opportunity to rewatch the series or something.
Maybe. I just don't why Naruto and One Piece can run forever but they can run out of Gintama material so quickly.
One Piece has had shit pacing for a long time. Can't speak for Naruto.
edit: beaten, but that's what I get for waiting ten minutes to hit submit, hah.
Crash Station
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Well if you absolutely need a long-running series to start up again, I can think of one
Jex
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You're encouraging the trend of only releasing physical copies of anime in stupidly expensive boxsets that I will never, ever purchase.
Wrong; I do care about narrative depending on whether the work cares about the narrative. I don't knock points off for lack of narrative, so to say. Nor do I add points to an otherwise middling or mediocre work for an excellent narrative. I also do care (a lot) about editing & such, which falls in with what you're talking about. But the three works you named all have vastly different issues; it's just a weird comparison really.
-Minsc-
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Oh I say it will be. While I don't know many details, the arc which immediately followed the recent Thorny arc is said to be a perfect candidate for a hiatus return. I happened to see the recent manga cover art so I have a general idea that the "something" that happens. This "something" should be very interesting indeed.
Jex
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I'm not going to reiterate what Geneijin has already said on this matter, because I (broadly) agree with his argument on this.
Crash Station
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Something that will actually change up the status quo?
I've always bought stupidly expensive anime sets. Just up till this point nothing was ever priced near Japanese levels. I always used to buy the special edition sets with extra shit in them like pencil boards and hats and shirts. I still have those shirts and hats actually. I like all the extra stuff, its fun to collect. In this case, it was difficult because nothing about the set really screams out "This is worth 400 bucks".
firehawk12
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Does Wan Peace have a guy coughing up his (metaphorical) balls?!Well if you absolutely need a long-running series to start up again, I can think of one
-Minsc-
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It's Gintama, likely not by the time the arc is over. That said, for the duration of the arc there definitely should be a "WTF is going on?" feeling Gintama' had when it returned. Other than the character that appears on the cover art, I know nothing else about the arc.
Edit: And yes, you've seen this character before (in a sense). No, it isn't any of the villains.
(needless hype)
Jex
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I'd certainly agree that structure, editing (as in cutting stuff out of your work) and restraint are really important in creating your works. To carry your discussion further, just look at Nisemonogatari - it's overindulgence directly led to sever pacing problems with the work (for myself and others). The whole "more is less" adage is true in many circumstances - it's usually harder to cut a work down and make it tighter than to have a sprawling work.
hosannainexcelsis
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Which is to say you don't really care about the quality of the narrative itself; you care about the quality of the direction, art, animation, etc. There's nothing wrong with that. People have different methods of approaching and judging art and entertainment. Personally, I will appreciate a work with noteworthy writing and story even if the direction and visuals aren't particularly noteworthy, as is the case with Spice and Wolf and parts of LoGH. On the other hand, while I have no problem with purely abstract works, I do take issue with narratives that feel half-completed even if other aspects of the work are consistently strong, as is the case with Casshern Sins.
I'll admit it's a broad issue which manifests itself in different ways, but I think it's one worth thinking about and something which leads to the same sort of reaction from myself after finishing a work.
Yes, Nisemonogatari is another example of what I'm talking about (on an even lower level).
Seeing Mad Pierrot reminded me....
Real Drive Ep.01
Right off the bat the show looked crisp, that would probably be the best word to describe it. Then They started talking about the earths bio-rhythm and I started to become less and less interested. I started to drift off into sleep WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN...
She showed up.
What?! A full figured woman in anime who is also a badass fighter! Man, this is great, I really hope the show doesn't completely invalidate it's efforts to include women of different proportions by basically fetishisizing them and having them identify as heavy....
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Then the show goes all in with the ocean science biorhythm stuff and I lost interest.
Thanks for the recommendation Mad Pierrot
Real Drive Ep.01
Right off the bat the show looked crisp, that would probably be the best word to describe it. Then They started talking about the earths bio-rhythm and I started to become less and less interested. I started to drift off into sleep WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN...
She showed up.
What?! A full figured woman in anime who is also a badass fighter! Man, this is great, I really hope the show doesn't completely invalidate it's efforts to include women of different proportions by basically fetishisizing them and having them identify as heavy....
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Then the show goes all in with the ocean science biorhythm stuff and I lost interest.
Thanks for the recommendation Mad Pierrot
Jex
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Every time I watch Paprika I dislike it more, so I can't stand by this assessment. It's got so many crippling problems that I'd have trouble recommending it to anyone.
To be fair, she only said that she is heavy
because she is a robot.
How would you rank them?
Keep in mind that I strongly dislike Mind Game because of its overindulgence in what I can only describe as hipsterdom.
Natsume S4 - 11
Not even Natsume can escape the x-rated toothbrush scene.
Well call me a shocked, an episode about Natsume's past that delves into something other than his isolation from making friends vs Youkai... his immediate family, which I thought was very well done, in how he deals with how despite having little memory of his parents, remembering what little he did and coming to a resolution which sets up for the next episode.
Not even Natsume can escape the x-rated toothbrush scene.
Well call me a shocked, an episode about Natsume's past that delves into something other than his isolation from making friends vs Youkai... his immediate family, which I thought was very well done, in how he deals with how despite having little memory of his parents, remembering what little he did and coming to a resolution which sets up for the next episode.
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