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Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator

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I just finished reading the ending to the FMP novels and wow it really needs to get a animu adaptation. The rest of the material after Second Raid is amazing. So many insane things happen that have a high chance of causing shit storms. If it does not happen at least I have Sigma.

I know i've said it repeatedly before, but my reaction to reading (the manga version, but it's the same events) was the exact opposite of that -- while before I was annoyed that the anime didn't continue, after reading what happened later I was happy that the anime didn't continue, because it didn't get completely ruined with grimdark idiocy like the novels/manga do.

Seriously, the first season was great because it had a good mixture of serious and comic. By completely dumping the comedy side, and ramping up the serious many, many degrees, the series became far, far worse than what it had been before. It gets so, so stupid, and depressing, and so far from the point of what had originally made the series good... occasional moments are good, but it never lasts, and some of the worst stuff can't be fixed.

Some of those:
- The generic super awesome invincible badguys kill all of the goodguys except for some of the the Tuatha de Danaan crewmembers and Sousuke (and Chidori, because they take her alive)? Um... yeah, way to go with just about the most lamely generic action-move plot ever. The first main villain, Gauron, isn't exactly original either of course, but he's far better than a random secret society with greater military might than all the armies of the world combined, or some stupid garbage like that. Plots like that are impossible to believe and hurt stories unless they are VERY well supported, and it isn't at all here. This is the biggest problem, and it's also the central story.

- Separating the two main characters
- And on that note, having Chidori get kidnapped for a long time and setting up a lengthy "the girl needs to be rescued" arc -- I HATE THAT PLOT! It's the worst. And both character's story arcs arcs after getting separated aren't particularly good either.
- Nami (why in the world would the writer do that... that's just wrong! So sad... :( )
- Kalinin (I guess someone needed to turn, but really? :()
etc, etc, I forget it all.

Good stuff I can think of from after the dark turn:
- Tessa getting awesome. That was good to see.
And that's pretty much it.

Past TSR, I've only read most (I think--all that was translated at the time) of A Dancing Very Merry Christmas, and yeah, that was fun. But I've about given up hope on any more anime FMP. Kyoani doesn't do blood anymore.
Do you know anything about where the story goes, to know that you actually WANT more?

Yea the rest of the material is pretty dark and gruesome at some points
Nami's death was horrible
. But many of the best parts of the rest of the material could be so much more moving if it was adapted correctly.
The death of Souske's mother and Nami, when you find out Kalinin betrayed Mithril, and the illusion of Chidori killing Tessa and Souske, and many more

Novel Spoilers
The moment where Chidori rejects the perfect peaceful fake world because the Souske of the fake world is not the man she fell in love with could also me amazing if adapted correctly
See my thoughts above on many of these issues, and a few more.


You are part of the problem.
I don't have a MAL account or rate stuff on ANN, but I would support the 6-10 scale. The idea is that it's scoring based on school scores, and I think that that's the best scoring system; the only change I'd make is I like a percent system, instead of 1-10, but either way, the system is easy enough to understand and makes sense. "But the lower half of the scale is rarely used, only 6-10 are"? So? That's how it works in schools too, and it's a pretty good system.

Haiyoru! Nyaruani: Remember My Love(craft-sensei) 1-12 END



Gee, thank's for the heads up! And hey, it would have been even better if you also warned me about the Ending being about as long as the actual show itself!!! Thankfully the rather self aware nature of the show actually made this fairly enjoyable, even though I really don't care about Lovecraft or the Cthulhu Mythos at all.

If you don't know anything about Lovecraft or the Cthulu mythos, though, you'll miss a lot of the point of the show... I mean, the whole idea is that the show's a ridiculous massacred adulteration of the whole concept and mythos. That it's so, so wrong is a big part of why it was funny... I guess it's also amusing on its own, but not as much so as if you know something about the source material.

Around here? Gosick.

EDIT: 86 people voted Evangelion the worst anime ever? What the bitch?

I defended Gosick for 18 episodes, while it was airing, but then episode 19 aired, and even I had to turn on it... :( Now, through those 18 eps I liked some arcs more than others -- in general the arcs at the school were mostly worse than the ones away from it, until that last arc -- and the first episode was pretty bad, but I was mostly liking it, until that.

So question about the end of the Edolas arc of Fairy Tail
they keep saying how Edolas Erza has good in her heart so are they just forgetting about all the people she supposedly killed?
But she is good in her heart, that's all that matters! Pay no mind to the dead bodies, they don't matter compared to her thoughts...

Yeah, I think that's kind of stupid too.

Catnapped! (More than just a Studio Ghibli knockoff)

Dat western audience appeal!

I think if I had seen this movie as a child it would have blown my mind. But now it works more as another step to furthering my appreciation/knowledge of the medium.

The plot is interesting, if a bit silly: Two siblings are taken by some very cat-like creatures to their alternate dimension to help stop their dog since it has been turned into a giant monster by an evil sorceress witch cat-lady. Also, take note Hosoda, the kids get transformed into cats whenever they get to the cativerse and only look slightly creepy. The movie actually gets a whole lot more interesting whenever the villainess is introduced and her backstory is explained.
She is an insane and cold hearted brat

The whole thing is beautifully animated and the visuals more than enough to keep you interested. There are some sequences once the movie reaches the cat universe that look great. The magician sequence in particular made my jaw drop down to the ground. The whole place has a kaleidoscopic/carnival intermingling look to it. To avoid the Ghibli comparisons seems impossible, Geneons (Then Pioneer) push into the children’s market that Ghibli was dominating seems pretty clear. The movie its self seems best compared to Spirited Away, thought it precedes it by 6 years.



My biggest issue with the movie is a scene where we see how the relationship is strained between Toryasu and Papadoll. This should be a big emotional scene where we get some context... but instead they play some completely inappropriate bubbly music over it. Worse yet, is that they do it twice!

Did I love it? Not really, but in the end it was pretty enjoyable.

I've seen the trailer for this on some of the VHS anime tapes I have, I'm pretty sure, but haven't seen the actual film... sounds decent, I guess.
 

/XX/

Member
All detail is lost and it looks like generic animu.
The habitual thing, it continues...

/XX/ said:
So you already think Production I.G will give us that sterile and clean (even soulless) look they are famous for?
Yes, I think they will...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28536167&postcount=585

... only to be augmented by their commitment on this. "Mercenary" at its finest.

Sorry for the vitriol spewed, I shouldn't be judging this already...
 

duckroll

Member
So, it seems all 3 episodes of the Kid Icarus CG anime by Production IG have been released. Any idea when they'll be releasing the Shaft or Studio 4C ones?
 

wonzo

Banned
fish and chips fucking owns and anyone who says otherwise is dead inside
unless they're vegetarian/vegan or whatever in which case i'm cool with that

Kid Icarus: Thanatos Rising Part 1

This was pretty bad, the awful dubbing or the really over the top use of 3d certainly didn't help things. I'll check out the other parts when they finally start uploading them here. I wonder if they'll add this stuff to the game cart.

If you don't know anything about Lovecraft or the Cthulu mythos, though, you'll miss a lot of the point of the show... I mean, the whole idea is that the show's a ridiculous massacred adulteration of the whole concept and mythos. That it's so, so wrong is a big part of why it was funny... I guess it's also amusing on its own, but not as much so as if you know something about the source material.
Not caring about something doesn't mean you're not aware of it! I honestly can't see someone who isn't aware of Lovecraft or the Cthulhu Mythos to even bother watching this.
 

Thoraxes

Member
Kid Icarus: Thanatos Rising Part 1

This was pretty bad, the awful dubbing or the really over the top use of 3d certainly didn't help things. I'll check out the other parts when they finally start uploading them here. I wonder if they'll add this stuff to the game cart.

Hopefully SHAFT will redeem us all. Headtilting Paulenta is guaranteed to be good.
 

duckroll

Member
Thanatos Rising isn't even really by Production IG. It's produced by NAS, Production IG contributes the director/writer, and the CG direction and production is by Qreazy. It's really lazy and deceptive.
 

wonzo

Banned
Gintama 120

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Who knew rice, wasabi and tune combined together could be such versatile ingredients! I think we've discovered the MacGyver paperclip of the culinary world right here folks.

Hopefully SHAFT will redeem us all. Headtilting Paulenta is guaranteed to be good.
dont forget it's gonna be in
2d popup book
3d!

Thanatos Rising isn't even really by Production IG. It's produced by NAS, Production IG contributes the director/writer, and the CG direction and production is by Qreazy. It's really lazy and deceptive.
Yeah, I noticed that in the credits.
 
Symphogear 08:

About fucking time that Miku made up.
And to think that all it took was
a little yuri time with Hibiki's archnemesis
. Then again,
any conflict that begins with yuri can be ended by yuri.

Symphogear 09:

Three-way yuri dates, comic relief from the villainous Ryouko, and Tsubasa getting her groove back? It's just about time for shit to hit the fan and for everyone to die, I guess
.

I don't know if this has been pointed out yet, but lol animation error. The show would probably be more entertaining if Hibiki could actually do this.

Symphogear 10:

Man, fuck Engrish. Symphogear is setting records in this department.

So
Ryouko is the primary suspect in the slaughter of the American soldiers but the best alibi she can give is "ololol I overslept"
? She's either
convinced that her scheme has advanced to the point that it's unstoppable and she just doesn't give a shit
or she's just a moron. Probably both.

I like how all three have developed and improved relations over time, although the
date
felt like filler it was really nice to see.

But for Ryoko Im surprised they dont think she is suspicious at this time, unless the head guy just hasnt shown it yet. Curious to see where this goes in 11.
 
Bodacious Space Pirates 10 - If the world was even slightly more fair, this show would get 4-7 seasons like any decent, successful American sci-fi TV show got, back when they still made such things (seriously, has there been one even worth mentioning in years now? It's pretty sad, considering how great they are... but anyway, that's another topic.). I could easily watch many seasons of this show, no problem. It's just a great series, and certainly one of the best animes in years.

As for this episode, it was as outstanding as always. The pirates are exploring through a murky area of space. They run into some danger, naturally, but get through it. It's amusing that the two kids (Marika and the princess) are forced off of the bridge after eight hours... got to stick with the school's time limits for juvenile employees, after all! :D That was one of those nice touches that makes this show so good. It was both a nice comic moment and a bit of character and world building too.

The only problem: As usual, I want to watch the next episode now, it ends with yet another mild cliffhanger.



Tantei Opera Milky Holmes II 6 - I know, I'm still way behind... but this episode was hilarious. Seriously, it was maybe the funniest episode of anime I've watched this year. I laughed more than anything else I can think of, anyway. Some other episodes of this season, such as ep. 3 and ep. 5, were pretty funny as well, but this beat them out. It's a pretty random episode, full of crazy humor and bizarre gags, but almost everything is funny, and some of it's hilarious.

The plot of this episode is that the detective girls (no, no those detective girls, it's Kokoro and co.) are on a train that goes to a city with a giant detective statue in it. They'd recieved a bomb threat that someone on this train planned to blow up the statue, and are here to stop it from happening. Milky Holmes just happens to end up on the same train, decide to help out, and the one of the craziest mystery-investigation episodes ever starts off. It's ridiculous and funny beginning to end, as Kokoro wakes up at the start ... not quite in a normal situation to say the least. :lol She's been punched in the face, the green-haired member of her team is in a magical girl costume, Hercule's wearing just a coat, Nero's been wrapped in a bundle of reeds or something and tied up, and that's not even talking about the other people in that train car... the couple, the guy who eats a lot, the other guy, the father of that little girl who stalks Kokoro, the conductor... :lol

From there, the episode rewinds to the beginning, explaining exactly how things got into that situation. I won't spoil it; watch the episode, now, if you haven't. It's one crazy situation, and joke, after another. After that, the episode then moves forward in time. This part is just as funny as the flashback. The ending's quite predictable, but funny anyway; I entirely saw it coming, but it worked great just the same. :)

The funniest part of the episode, for me, was the part where, after imaging a situation where the other three girls sacrifice themselves in a failed effort to stop the bombing, Cordelia throws herself and the bag she suspects contains the bomb out the window, in self-sacrifice, and then
... lands, decides she doesn't actually want to be the only one to blow up if that bag blows, runs after the train, and catches up again and jumps back in.
Yes, seriously. It's hilarious... I was laughing for probably a solid minute through that whole sequence. :lol

And then they open the bag, and learn the truth of what was inside...
:lol

So yeah, this episode was great. I can't expect episodes 7-10 to be this good, but that the show has had two great episodes in a row (5 was very funny as well) is a very good sign for sure. :)
 

RurouniZel

Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
there was some artwork posted several weeks back. Its sort of an MMO styled show or something. Hopefully it is more Ragnarok The animation and less .Hack//sign.

I liked .hack//SIGN. More than the other .hack animes anyway, which I never finished.
 
Sket Dance 49

That was a pretty fun episode, I always love these games and a return of Gensis was fun. So hard to pronounce the countries names though (N'preenu Ch'p'p's'b, Republic of Zuuluzuunuluuzunuu).

Captains Stardust strike was epic as well as her period of being all pumped up and Pritz
 
I don't know exactly how to properly say this, but watching .hack//sign nowadays has a nice sort of look back into pre World of Warcraft MMOs. For better and worse, it really encapsulates what was good and bad about games like EQ, FFXI, AC, etc.

Those games had such terrible gameplay, but managed to stay afloat with the world they built around you, the community, and atmosphere. Standing around for what at time could be hours while you waited for a party is matched by the crux of .hack//sign being characters not really playing the actual game, but standing around and talking. The series has really excellent visual design, music, and atmosphere, but there's just nothing else there. Just a bunch of people standing around talking for hours about nothing really that interesting. If I had started with World of Warcraft and never played FFXI I would probably have not cared for .hack//sign when I rewatched it earlier this year, but there was just so much similarity to the time I spent in that game and the series (and both came out in the same year) that it was a good watch.

It's also nice that the series contained an actual female character in BT, and even Mimiru was less cut out feeling than the average genki schoolgirl of today.

SA:O's first volume was also originally written around the same time as .hack//sign and it's interesting that while .hack feels very much grounded in what was MMOs in their infancy, SA:O feels far more modern. I doubt the series will be anything that special, but the way the novels are written relies on constant mini-suspense so at the very least it will probably be a slightly entertaining series.

I wonder how they will present the series though.
The original novel takes place later on than the second novel (and the second novel jumps around the timeline), so placing the episodes as the novels come about would be somewhat awkward, but also if they were to present the series chronologically it would be have some seriously weird pacing.
 

El Sloth

Banned
Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro

To familiarize myself with the history of the Lupin series I decided to start off with this movie since this seems to be the most popular one. It was a really fun movie and the animation and art was nice on the eyes. The old school style of art appeals to me. It had been a while since I've seen a Miyazaki film so that was nice. I'm indifferent to the story, but from what I understand this movie isn't a very good representative of what the older series are about (i.e. more emphasis on the heists). Still, it's gotten me interested enough in the characters to try out the 1st series. I think that's the "Green Jacket" one? I really liked the way the characters interacted with each other. Especially Lupin and Jigen.

Oh and I don't know if Fujiko is normally like what she is in the movie, but movie Fujiko is a fucking badass.
 

Go_Ly_Dow

Member
Chihayafuru 23

Chihaya (the character) really is one of a kind in the anime world :lol

It seems like Taichi-bro's will shed some major tears when this show ends.

I'm glad I never really picked a side.
 

Brazil

Living in the shadow of Amaz
Chihayafuru 23

Chihaya really is one of a kind in the anime world :lol

It seems like Taichi-bro's will shed some major tears when this show ends.

I'm glad I never really picked a side.

Everyone will shed tears because it'll have a non-ending.
 

Articalys

Member
It's Biglobe user poll time again. This week the topic was the "cutest" seiyuu, and out of about 8000 votes the surprise victor was Nobuhiko Okamoto, nearly doubling Kana Hanazawa's total. Which of course proves nothing, as usual, except maybe that the majority of the voters this time around were women. Can't blame them for their choice, though.

Dissapointed that this week's Sket Dance was a Yamanobe episode, as I'm not really a fan of their Calvinball-style antics, but the next episode should be pretty fun.
 

Defuser

Member
It's Biglobe user poll time again. This week the topic was the "cutest" seiyuu, and out of about 8000 votes the surprise victor was Nobuhiko Okamoto, nearly doubling Kana Hanazawa's total. Which of course proves nothing, as usual, except maybe that the majority of the voters this time around were women. Can't blame them for their choice, though.

Wait,people like that screeching sound he makes? At least hnnngzawa is top tier.
 

cajunator

Banned
Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro

To familiarize myself with the history of the Lupin series I decided to start off with this movie since this seems to be the most popular one. It was a really fun movie and the animation and art was nice on the eyes. The old school style of art appeals to me. It had been a while since I've seen a Miyazaki film so that was nice. I'm indifferent to the story, but from what I understand this movie isn't a very good representative of what the older series are about (i.e. more emphasis on the heists). Still, it's gotten me interested enough in the characters to try out the 1st series. I think that's the "Green Jacket" one? I really liked the way the characters interacted with each other. Especially Lupin and Jigen.

Oh and I don't know if Fujiko is normally like what she is in the movie, but movie Fujiko is a fucking badass.

It apparently isn't very indicative of the real Lupin, and I haven't seen much of the actual series to judge this, but Fujiko is definitely a badass.

what, Gosick is not well liked? Gosick was awesome. It had some awesome hats and hair styles.

Gosick's character/art design wasn't bad, just the whole show is kind of dull and lifeless.
It has plenty of hnnnng and that's always a plus.
 
what, Gosick is not well liked? Gosick was awesome. It had some awesome hats and hair styles.

It's not well liked here.

It's highly rated on places like MAL/ANN, but then again they highly rate Angel Beats, which has all the charm and wit of a pebble. So take that with a grain of salt.

I enjoyed it, mostly for the cute factor I confess. Plot-wise it's kinda lifeless/boring.

EDIT: Cajunator's opinions = good opinions.
 

cajunator

Banned
It's not well liked here.

It's highly rated on places like MAL/ANN, but then again they highly rate Angel Beats, which has all the charm and wit of a pebble. So take that with a grain of salt.

I enjoyed it, mostly for the cute factor I confess. Plot-wise it's kinda lifeless/boring.

EDIT: Cajunator's opinions = good opinions.

Don't be fooled by the hnnng talk lol, but I appreciate it.
 

Solune

Member
This is some bullshit.
"Welcome to America"
Nah. Ok well i'll spoil the hook if you guys really don't care so people can know if it'll be entertaining or not. I mean in and of itself it's nothing great, but it can be a fun read if you go in without expectations.

They're playing the release of the first Virtual Reality MMO on the day it comes out, and notice that the log out button has disappeared. They start panicking until the head creator of the game tells them that they can no longer log off and that if they die in the game, they'll die in real life. The only way they can get out of the game is if they kill the boss of every floor (There's 100 floors). The paragraph Dresden posted is from the prologue that takes place 2 years after this happens.
This premise sounds similar to .hack. If the battles are done well I might give it a whirl.
Rose Of Versailles
Damn, I should really get to watching this show.
I liked .hack//SIGN. More than the other .hack animes anyway, which I never finished.

You might like //Quantum. It's only 3 OVAs and they aren't very long so the pacing isn't that bad. For the most part it was pretty fun.
 
Sket Dance 49

I'm kind of amazed this actually turned into a big event and wasn't some bait and switch like other Yamanobe episodes. I thought it was pretty epic.
 

ZetaEpyon

Member
You might like //Quantum. It's only 3 OVAs and they aren't very long so the pacing isn't that bad. For the most part it was pretty fun.

Yeah, I thought //Quantum was pretty enjoyable. I also recall the original OVA set (//Liminality) being good, but it's been a very long time since I watched it...

Back from my trip; so much to catch up on, and I'm going to be gone this weekend, too. Ugh.
 

ZetaEpyon

Member
Which .hack series has Black rose?
There were some cute .hack series made but I lost track with so many of them.

The original BlackRose is from the original .hack PS2 games, but there's also a version in //Legend of the Twilight, which is also the main one you want for cute.
 

Grzi

Member
Which .hack series has Black rose?
There were some cute .hack series made but I lost track with so many of them.

Well, the Legend of the Twilight series had a Black Rose lookalike, and there was one in Sign too, although she had a different color scheme.

But I'd say my favorite .hack anime has got to be the recently released .hack//Quantum. It didn't deliver the same level of quality from the first episode at the end, but it still turned out pretty good.
 

cajunator

Banned
Are they more interesting than the original .hack? I don't want to end up with another boring series. Do they just stand around or is there more to the other series, like action/events?
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Black Rock Shooter 04:

This is one of the single worst episodes of anime that I've ever watched. The only reason that I'm not dropping this shit right now is because it's only eight episodes and I'm halfway through.

Basically, the show is a perpetual cycle of friendship NTR by a group of psychotically-needy girls that can't share their friends with anyone else. Oh, and Kagari, who is the most anime anime character of all time and fuck I just want to see her get brutally murdered somehow because macaroons and chokko chippu kuukii and being the most unrealistic depiction of an adolescent teenage girl, nay, of a human ever in the history of anything.

I don't even think that I'm going to mention the otherworld in further impressions. It's just babby's first symbolism, looks like shit, has terrible action made worse by the inconsistent quality of the CG, and seems to exist entirely separate to the real world plot.

BRS is truly the otaku snake eating its own tail but then shitting in its own mouth.


Black Rock Shooter 05:

People just don't value their mental health enough.

No clue what's going on with
Yuu. Is she real? Isn't she real?
Does it even matter at this point?

I don't even care about
the otherworld actually meaning something
now. The
real world
has always been one giant contrivance to
give some deeper meaning to the otherworld
, so I never expected more than the flimsiest
relationship between the two
to be established. This is what happens when
a studio bases an entire anime around some pixiv art but is too lazy to make an entire show in that style so they dilute the adaptation with as much unrelated bullshit as they possibly can
.

This show is so bad that I can't even watch it sadistically, but I'm at least going to try to glean as much amusement as I can from
the school counselor doing everything she can to make everyone go insane
.


Black Rock Shooter 06:

A
flashback
that not only explains nothing, but makes it harder to understand what the hell is going on
in the present
. I just don't care now.

Gotta love the show's idea of an internal conflict for Yomi and the others.
When BRS defeats her opponents, they regain their sanity! That's good! But when she fights, she.......uhh........fights! And that's bad! Bad fighting!
 

Grzi

Member
Are they more interesting than the original .hack? I don't want to end up with another boring series. Do they just stand around or is there more to the other series, like action/events?

Quantum has 3 episodes, so it's not a huge time investment. It's fun, the characters are extremely likeable (you could even consider some of them hnnnnnng, I'm not too sure:(), and the animation is great.
I'd say it's the most interesting .hack anime, although it's basically the same stuff, problems in the game that have an impact in the real life and so on, but the execution is much much better than usual. Definitely not like Sign, it's a fast and fun OVA.
 

Envelope

sealed with a kiss
Ordet/whoever else makes BRS is very clever to make it only 8 episodes, since it makes it easier to rationalize watching something that bad.
 
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