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Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator
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hosannainexcelsis
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High five!
Crash Station
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You probably won't like it anyway. Do you even watch drama shows focused on characters who aren't fighting each other or expressing exaggerated emotions?
I like Usagi Drop, both manga and anime.
Perv.
Crash Station
Member
In the underground portion, there was an entire chapter spent describing Kaiji's shower routine. This was covered in 10 seconds in the anime.
dakkumauji
Member
Short list time?
1. Daily Lives of High School Boys
2. Poyopoyo Kansatsu Nikki
3. Inu x Boku SS
I think there's still stuff I want to see this season, that's gonna be a part of my ever growing backlog.
1. Daily Lives of High School Boys
2. Poyopoyo Kansatsu Nikki
3. Inu x Boku SS
I think there's still stuff I want to see this season, that's gonna be a part of my ever growing backlog.
Perv!!
1. Natsume Shi
2. Ano Natsu
3. Nichibro's
4. Nise
5. Bodacious Space Pirates
6. Poyopoyo
7. Rinne no Lagrange
8. Amagami SS+
9. Inu x Boku
10. Kill Me Baby
11. Recorder and Randsell
12. Gokujo
13. Black Rock Shooter
ugh, i've watched way too much shit this season. never again.
2. Ano Natsu
3. Nichibro's
4. Nise
5. Bodacious Space Pirates
6. Poyopoyo
7. Rinne no Lagrange
8. Amagami SS+
9. Inu x Boku
10. Kill Me Baby
11. Recorder and Randsell
12. Gokujo
13. Black Rock Shooter
ugh, i've watched way too much shit this season. never again.
NAKAMA
jesus christ fukumoto
Crash Station
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I'm Fukumoto's biggest fangirl!
Lupin TV stuff popping up on twitter:
http://p.twpl.jp/show/orig/d4SHT
https://twitter.com/#!/bovro/status/183375430886240256/photo/1/large
They're definitely screening the trailer at the booth, so we should have a bootleg recording in a few hours on youtube.
http://p.twpl.jp/show/orig/d4SHT
https://twitter.com/#!/bovro/status/183375430886240256/photo/1/large
They're definitely screening the trailer at the booth, so we should have a bootleg recording in a few hours on youtube.
I never stated that you did. I was stating what I thought were examples of bad writing in Ano Hana.
Essentially, melodrama.
And I think you're mistaken about something. It doesn't try too hard to elicit empathy because it never attempted to by the end. It's a direct emotional appeal, which is what the melodrama in Ano Hana amounted to.
Entirely disagree. While good visuals and good music can elevate a work, I would say they're nothing without decent direction. It's equivalent to judging this season's Aquarion Evol on. And also, praising good music and good visuals can be quite superficial and doesn't indicate much about the actual work in question.
And I also wholly disagree on it becoming a cohesive whole at the end. The series composition was bad when you consider among other things how many dropped plot points there were and our payoff for our investment in these character developments. The beginning of Episode 9 is a huge fuck you to the audience. Literally.
There is no problem in enjoying and liking a show with flaws. But in the case of Ano Hana, it wasn't because of its shortcomings that it became a bad show, and I disagree it was a success either. The love triangle and the emphasis on Menma's family's plight sent the melodrama in disarray as they were unnecessary to begin with considering at what point in the story it occurred and how long the story was planned as. I can still like a show even if it was unsuccessful because the ideas appeal to me, but it doesn't mean I think those ideas were communicated or executed well either. It's why I think Ano Hana as a melodramatic show fails very much in the 2nd half at the very least. The strong conclusion doesn't not mask this at all, which is only the 2nd half of the last episode ironically.
Sure, but Ano Hana is still very much a good example of bad writing from Okada.
AnoNatsu 11:
Finally caught up. That was certainly a drastic change from what we've come to expect from the show thus far, but I don't feel that the sudden turn toward
is necessarily at odds with the established mood of the show. This was the culmination of the characters' struggle to resolve their feelings, and as it seems that
, why not allow these feelings to be put into action in a very bold way?
It's certainly preferable to the show ending with a whimper as
and so on with the distasteful and depressing feeling that everyone is just lying to themselves about
.
The details of
were pretty sketchy and it's a super-ultra-mega-contrivance to squeeze a happy ending out of an impossible situation, but there wasn't much in the way of actual technobabble, just some very, very basic references to
and such. I didn't find any of it particularly disruptive to my enjoyment.
Finally caught up. That was certainly a drastic change from what we've come to expect from the show thus far, but I don't feel that the sudden turn toward
action
everyone has decided to allow Kaito and Ichika to pursue their happiness together
It's certainly preferable to the show ending with a whimper as
Tanigawa disappears from Kaito's life, Tetsurou disappears from Tanigawa's life
wanting the objects of their respective unrequited loves to be happy
The details of
the plan to find the mysterious locale genetically embedded in the memories of Ichika's race
interstellar law
Remon's driving the fucking Gadgetmobile. I like her air of mystery but I still can't help but really want to know every last thing about her true identity and motives by the finale.
son of a
Why is that?
hosannainexcelsis
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Yeah, this is definitely a case where the anime is superior to the manga. Also for the narrator.
Alright, fine...
Including continuations:
1. Persona 4 (yes, i'm a fanboy)
2. Mirai Nikki (nostalgia from the manga)
3. Rinne no Lagrange (dunno why, it's just fun/visually pretty/clean. I like robots despite the lack of them for about half the series. Also bought the Single cause it's good, I love Megumi Nakajima and dat Rasmus Faber)
4. Another (every episode/death I watch my expression is just this or this)
5. Nichibros (funny all around, didn't expect to laugh, left in tears of hilarity. Internal monologue scenes are really well done. Literature Girl (who has no other name) vs. Ringo is a debate for the ages)
6. Ano Natsu (unless Kanna turnaround; i'll forever be bitter. Show has decent pacing and Remon trolling, nostalgia for Please Teacher)
7. Symphogear (weird/cool concept, yuri for everyone, fun show, decent music, neat battles, Hibiki is a decent harem leader)
8. High School DxD (for all the... uh, plot... especially that ED. Also that one cute girl)
9. Zero no Tsukaima F (finally a return to form after a lot of disappointment. So sad it's the end. I love kugilolis)
10. Shakugan no Shana Third (basically after the slowly off-rails nature of S2, this too was a great return to form and the source material. I love kugilolis).
Honorable mentions:
Papakiki (Banana-man will live on forever in our hearts), Nisemono (thanks for the massive amounts of gif material and fanservice), Inu x Boku (Karuta), BRS (mostly because thanks for the laughs), and Amagami SS+ Rihoko.
A Black Falcon
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Yeah, I pretty much agreed with all of this in my review of ep. 11. The middle ofthe show was pretty good, but this last arc is not. It's painfully generic and just not nearly as interesting or fun as the show was before.
I'm pretty sure that the explanation is that
he considers Asia to be like his sister, pretty much, so he doesn't really see her as a love interest even though she likes him.
Eh, it was alright. Maybe slightly better than MajiKoi, I guess; the highs weren't as high, but the lows weren't as low either. Definitely not as good as IS or Daimao though. Not sure about Samurai Girls, offhand.
This sounds like of the few instances in Kaiji where the manga was superior!
Blood|+ 4
So far they're balancing plot lines well enough to keep me engaged.
Gundam 00 S2 8
Patrick Colasour is back? Good times are ahead. Ballroom scene was executed better than I thought it could be too.
Ending the episode with this guy reappearing was just cruel. Now I want to watch more.
G Gundam 27
Strangest Indian character I've ever seen. Domon's shift in characterization is so good too. Much more appreciative and forgiving of Rain, his comrades, etc. Although that cold shoulder he gave in the ep cut deeper than words could.
Sailor Moon R 75
Well now, another one of those surprisingly intense action episodes. It works as another great example as just how far Usagi has come.
Sailor Moon R 76
And, of course, this episode touches on how far she still has to go. Worst monster of the week since Boxy too. This entire episode is weird, like really weird. Tuxedo Mask's speech, which I normally adore, was a hint to defeating the Droid yet I still had this feeling he had a stroke and was just talking to himself.
Black★Rock Shooter TV 8
1. Black Rock Shooter - It's all I watched
I was afraid the George stuff would be resolved already but was pleasantly surprised.
Gundam 00 S2 8
Hated it when they killed him in the first season but I'm really enjoying the fallout of Lockon's death. The whole twin thing is a bit rough though.
Ending the episode with this guy reappearing was just cruel. Now I want to watch more.
G Gundam 27
Strangest Indian character I've ever seen. Domon's shift in characterization is so good too. Much more appreciative and forgiving of Rain, his comrades, etc. Although that cold shoulder he gave in the ep cut deeper than words could.
Sailor Moon R 75
Well now, another one of those surprisingly intense action episodes. It works as another great example as just how far Usagi has come.
Sailor Moon R 76
And, of course, this episode touches on how far she still has to go. Worst monster of the week since Boxy too. This entire episode is weird, like really weird. Tuxedo Mask's speech, which I normally adore, was a hint to defeating the Droid yet I still had this feeling he had a stroke and was just talking to himself.
Black★Rock Shooter TV 8
1. Black Rock Shooter - It's all I watched
I feel for you.1. Black Rock Shooter - It's all I watched
hosannainexcelsis
Member
Gauche the Cellist
Despite the fantasy elements (to which Takahata brought his usual flair), this is a fairly accurate portrayal of the culture of musicians and musical performance. Even though it wasn't 100% accurate, there was more attention made to properly animating the performers' movements than I've seen in any other anime. It's nice to know someone cared. The conductor is about what I would expect a conductor of a provincial theater orchestra to be - not very skilled, but extremely passionate. I've certainly worked with people like him.
Beethoven's 6th was used very effectively - both from the perspective of practical performance, and from the standpoint of linking it in with the pastoral imagery of its program. Beethoven's stern face is the perfect representation of the spiritual presence of the Old Masters, judging the young musician struggling with their music.
The message that the film reaches at the end is "Music is awesome!", and that's a message I can thoroughly get behind. When you are able to pour your deepest emotions into your performance, your audience will sense that and be moved accordingly. There really is nothing like that experience, on either end.
The film was a joy to look at, with special honors going to the rich backgrounds:
I could go into all the small details that made it so great - the conductor's shoe, the animal-eye's perspective, etc. - but suffice it to say that it's another masterpiece from Isao Takahata.
Despite the fantasy elements (to which Takahata brought his usual flair), this is a fairly accurate portrayal of the culture of musicians and musical performance. Even though it wasn't 100% accurate, there was more attention made to properly animating the performers' movements than I've seen in any other anime. It's nice to know someone cared. The conductor is about what I would expect a conductor of a provincial theater orchestra to be - not very skilled, but extremely passionate. I've certainly worked with people like him.
Beethoven's 6th was used very effectively - both from the perspective of practical performance, and from the standpoint of linking it in with the pastoral imagery of its program. Beethoven's stern face is the perfect representation of the spiritual presence of the Old Masters, judging the young musician struggling with their music.
I really liked the subversion of that image in the cuckoo scene. Beethoven had a keen sense of humor, after all, and you can't approach his music in a unremittingly dour mood, least of all the 6th.
The message that the film reaches at the end is "Music is awesome!", and that's a message I can thoroughly get behind. When you are able to pour your deepest emotions into your performance, your audience will sense that and be moved accordingly. There really is nothing like that experience, on either end.
The film was a joy to look at, with special honors going to the rich backgrounds:
I could go into all the small details that made it so great - the conductor's shoe, the animal-eye's perspective, etc. - but suffice it to say that it's another masterpiece from Isao Takahata.
Won't be enough time for misunderstandings.
Yeah but that ruins the joke.
1. Nichibros
2. Aquarion Evol (A bit of an acquired taste, I must admit)
3. Nise (Something of a love/hate thing)
Is it Spring yet?
I think if they focus exclusively on the mindless action and ditch absolutely everything else then it might be worth watching for the inner sakugawhore otherwise I wouldn't really hold my breath.
2. Aquarion Evol (A bit of an acquired taste, I must admit)
3. Nise (Something of a love/hate thing)
Is it Spring yet?
I think if they focus exclusively on the mindless action and ditch absolutely everything else then it might be worth watching for the inner sakugawhore otherwise I wouldn't really hold my breath.
It looks way less terrible than I hopped.
This will be true suffering.
Was this the cake shop episode?
Also, maybe by now you might have noticed a certain attribute held by a certain blue skirt. If not, don't worry about it as it's just a weird minor thing that comes up.
DECULTURE!!!!!!!!
Crash Station
Member
Birdy: Decode 9
23!? 0_o
23!? 0_o
Birdy: Decode 9
23!? 0_o
I got the impression he was lying.
looks better than i expected
Crash Station
Member
Well no one seemed to acknowledge it at all or even care much, so I couldn't tell at all.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Wait, how did they end it?
Someone should link to that video of the guys playing YYH while trying to impersonate Wakamoto.
Birdy: Decode 9
23!? 0_o
in anime years thats like 65, his old and washed up.
End end spoilers:
Next week's episode is the last one, and it's gonna be the Izanagi fights/fog globe battle, probably followed by the goodbye scene at the train.
Also, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNkATKq0bUw Ohhhh beaten.
It looks like MacF... most of the characters remind me of Ranka Lee.:O
This is going be GLORIOUS!!!
How badly condensed has it been? I've been letting it finish before I resume my marathon.
Basileus777
Member
Is this just a bizarre idolmaster/macross hybrid? Why is GAF so excited about this?
Well, I thought the 'emotional appeal' was hampered by the unrealistic plot and characters by the end. The melodrama was well done at the start and I could relate to the characters empathatically. The series of bad plot decisions by Okada broke the characters and immersion; I agree that by the end it wasn't eliciting empathy. It was appealing using pathos by having everyone bawling their eyes out and, because of Okada's bad writing earlier on, it failed to connect to me.
I value music over visuals and both over story so my standards are different from yours. I can admit that may be superficial but these two things are what made me be a fan of anime. Story is often secondary to me. As long as the story isn't a trainwreck or is outright boring, I can deal with it to a certain degree until the ending. If the ending still fails to redeem anything or is nonsensical, I will then list story as a weakness.
I was personally fine with the love triangle even though it didn't amount to anything substantial. I agree that the Menma's family plot line was fairly useless.
In the end with all its flaws, Ano Hana was sufficiently entertaining throughout the show. Yes, the melodrama simply failed at the second half. Okada's bad writing obfuscated much of the second half for me, rendering the characters and my empathy for them detached. But at the end of the day, I liked Ano Hana and I will defend it for being a genuinely entertaining watchm even with its great first half and lackluster second half. As you stated, there is no problem in enjoying and liking a show with flaws. I agree with that a lot.
This is a tangent and not aimed at anyone, but I just think some people these days are mixing up good anime and their favourite anime. Two of my favourite anime are Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and Code Geass S1. They both have flaws in the pacing and writing, especially Code Geass with its horrendous writing and TTGL with the sudden shift in tone and story with its second half. However, both were sufficiently entertaining, along with good music and visuals, which are just bonuses. That's what I define as my favourite anime, something I can enjoy that makes me appreciate the medium known as anime.
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