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Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator

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Narag

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Was this the cake shop episode?

Also, maybe by now you might have noticed a certain attribute held by a certain blue skirt. If not, don't worry about it as it's just a weird minor thing that comes up.

Yes, it was. It was more than a bit out there.
 

Thoraxes

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How badly condensed has it been? I've been letting it finish before I resume my marathon.

End end game spoilers follow this post:

I think it'll be fine. Pacing has been really good these last few episodes.
They'll probably use no opening credits again and use 15 minutes for both Shadow Izanagi/Adachi, and Space Globe fights + Fog revelations. The Adachi unveil and dungeon to meet the real him was given an entire episode (and was justly done IMO). Next episode should be decently paced for the Good End. I'm definitely sure there won't be Izanami unless they manage to shove both boss fights, Izanami unveil+dungeon+boss fights+getting Mirror of Truth, and the goodbye scene all in like 23ish minutes. For just the Good End though, it's appropriately paced. I'm personally hoping they'll make the Izanami stuff into an OVA and just bundle it with the last Bluray set.

Oh, and also they put in the bro fight with Brosuke. It was totally jammed in there and its placement made no sense, but you can totally tell that it was in there for the fans who really wanted it.
 

Lain

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Knight in the area 12

Only today it dawned on me that Kakeru's voice is kinda annoying, and that it sounded like the common Japanese deal of a female voicing a male character (and that it reminded me of Renton). So when I went to look for who voiced him and what they had voiced before, I can't say I was surprised.
The episode itself sucked, just like every other episode of this show.
Why do I keep watching it is a mystery to me.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
End end spoilers:
Next week's episode is the last one, and it's gonna be the Izanagi fights/fog globe battle, probably followed by the goodbye scene at the train.
Sounds like they can just dump an OVA or something on the last volume of the BDs. Or make it a pack in with Golden!

Beautiful.
 

duckroll

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A video of the Lupin TV booth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlInf-KZBd0 (WARNING: A short potion of the video is very NSFW because of a zoomed in view of the key visual. BOOOBS)

Looks like either the guy wasn't allowed to film the trailer on the TV, or he chose not to, but either way starting from 42 seconds in, you can hear the music from the trailer. Very jazzy.
 

Thoraxes

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Sounds like they can just dump an OVA or something on the last volume of the BDs. Or make it a pack in with Golden!

Yeah that was my guess. It makes too much sense not to do it, and bundling it in with the last volume would probably increase the sales a ton too for the fans.

A video of the Lupin TV booth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlInf-KZBd0

Looks like either the guy wasn't allowed to film the trailer on the TV, or he chose not to, but either way starting from 42 seconds in, you can hear the music from the trailer. Very jazzy.
Not that I personally care, but there are boobs in the video (from that official artwork) if anyone is watching this where it'd be inappropriate.
 

frostbyte

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Nichibros 11

It's not fair that this is ending next week. I think this is the only winter show I'm really gonna miss. :(

I know, right? This show is pretty different from the usual comedy shows like Squid Girl and Working. What's going to fill its niche after this?

Is watching Gintama the only way I can indirectly feel the awesomeness of Nichibros?
 

iavi

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End end game spoilers follow this post:

I think it'll be fine. Pacing has been really good these last few episodes.
They'll probably use no opening credits again and use 15 minutes for both Shadow Izanagi/Adachi, and Space Globe fights + Fog revelations. The Adachi unveil and dungeon to meet the real him was given an entire episode (and was justly done IMO). Next episode should be decently paced for the Good End. I'm definitely sure there won't be Izanami unless they manage to shove both boss fights, Izanami unveil+dungeon+boss fights+getting Mirror of Truth, and the goodbye scene all in like 23ish minutes. For just the Good End though, it's appropriately paced. I'm personally hoping they'll make the Izanami stuff into an OVA and just bundle it with the last Bluray set.

Oh, and also they put in the bro fight with Brosuke. It was totally jammed in there and its placement made no sense, but you can totally tell tha
t it was in there for the fans who really wanted it.

Great to hear. I've been dying to start it back up, but I'll hold out for that last ep.

Nichibros 11

It's not fair that this is ending next week. I think this is the only winter show I'm really gonna miss. :(

Same. I've been letting it build up along with Gintama since they're both ending. I'll just spend a day watching them, along with Persona, pizza and assorted vices. Should be pretty damn fun.

I know, right? This show is pretty different from the usual comedy shows like Squid Girl and Working. What's going to fill its niche after this?

Is watching Gintama the only way I can indirectly feel the awesomeness of Nichibros?

Working!! actually felt more like DLOHB than Gintama whose humor is...different to me. Either way, they're all offbeat, fantastic, and are/will be missed, sorely.
 
Kenzoku akuma (眷属悪魔) means the demons who serve under a king rank demon. NicoNico subtitles use "household devils."
It's the kenzoku/household part that's significant, not the devil/demon part.
So that bit is saying that
she is Riser's kenzoku, as opposed to somebody else's or no one's.
I'm a little unclear on why
Ravel is serving as one of Riser's kenzoku, but I guess the lines Riser said (through Isabella's little flashback) mean he set that up purely for appearances, to go with his harem master image.
Ah, I see. That explains the terminology, but as I said, that doesn't explain the why. Those three reasons I gave are the only possible reasons for it I can imagine, and all of them are REALLY bad reasons.

Yeah, Oreimo is a terrible show, but the character designs were good.

Especially Abe's rendition.
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Certainly better than Kirino's usual character design, of course, but the art isn't the worst thing about that show.

ABe's art is always great though, yeah. :)

Maybe it'll be a sham like the first four Chihayafuru episodes. lol

"We'll meet at the national championships, I promise!"
Sort of, sort of not.

If they're not going to be stereotypes, then why make these characters lolis in the first place? Prepubescent girls speaking with adult-like authority and commanding entire fleets of space battleships tests my suspension of disbelief, even in a show titled Bodacious Space Pirates.
The show has made clear that she's learned some things, but knows little about others. She knows about the history of her family, but next to nothing about normal life, how to do any of the things the pirates do, etc. I'm sure it's the same with her sister. And as I said, they're not so much in command as they are giving the basic quest... I wouldn't say she has command over Marika. Just consider how often they've overruled her, for one example of that.

Regardless of who's done the heavy lifting in terms of enabling the events of the plot to actually happen, it's still been Space Usagi's story. She's the focal point, the catalyst for every important event, and for all the Bentenmaru crew may be doing, ultimately they're really just invested in her success. I'm starting to think that the depiction of piracy in this show was doomed from the moment that the Letter of Marque concept was introduced. Even though this is a historical concept, it's still antithetical for a true pirate to answer to another source of authority. The fact that they have to take "requests" from outside parties in order to operate just means that someone other than the crew itself is always going to be determining events.
Think of it as much being a navy ship as a pirate ship and you'd be much more on the right track than you are. And the story's as much about Marika as it is about anyone; the quest is the princess's, but Marika is the one gaining the captaining experience and learning about command.

And it took them nearly the entire episode to make it through this sequence. I suppose I'm just going to have to accept that the show is always going to be a little too in love with its fictional technology.
The series is slow paced, yes. I think the pace works fantastically, but obviously it's a matter of taste. Either way it has nothing to do with the quality of the show, though, just about whether some people will like it.

You know, now that I think about it, I have no idea. Do we have any well-known real pimps to compare to? I mean, maybe if we're all living like Hugh Hefner it'd be decent, but without all that money it'd probably suck.
Well, there are those crazy Mormon extremists with their multiple wives, and some third world countries still have some polygamy I'm pretty sure... but in general, polygamy is only something that has ever been available to richer men -- being wealthy enough to support more than one wife was a major status symbol in societies that allowed it. Poor, or average, people would very rarely have had multiple wives.

However, in harem shows like this, I like it when the MCs just go for it like that. It always seems to be one extreme or the other, but I prefer the go-getters from the beat around the bush girl-flavor-of-the-week show where nothing gets resolved because of having to tiptoe between too many relationships, or where the main character is a real beta-male character-type and gets walked on every episode (except for Love Hina, but in my defense, it was my first experience with the genre).
I prefer when the MCs eventually make a choice for one girl or another, by the end, like in To Heart (season 1), any of Key's works, or, yes, Love Hina.

Wishy-washy to the end is really annoying, but going for the harem end isn't much better, partially because it requires a massive suspension of disbelief -- it requires you to believe that the girls actually wouldn't care about sharing a husband, they love this guy SO MUCH that they'd abandon all of the values they learned in favor of being a multiple wife -- ie, the concept is quite sexist when the girls go for it; I think most of the time, only people raised from birth with polygamist brainwashing would accept such things. Also, the guy rarely actually GETS the harem, or if he does it's only in a halfhearted "they like him and he likes them and they all live together but no actual confirmation of anything concrete ever happens", such as in Tenchi Muyo, so it usually ends up being a wishy-washy ending anyway, either because the girls aren't okay with it, or because the writer doesn't want to anger any of the girls' fanbases by choosing one, so they just end with an ambiguous "his troublesome days continue" "ending". Negima went this route.

Seriously, outside of final routes in H-games, how often do the guys actually GET legit harem endings? As I say above it of course shouldn't happen like 99% of the time, so I'm not saying they should, but really, without either having a legit harem end or ending with a single girl, the main reason to keep on the "harem" path in anime or manga is to not have to choose someone and keep the story going, without resolving anything. And I don't think many of us here like that stuff.
 

trejo

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Nise 11

Grown up
Shinobu is something I am most definitely okay with.

Anyway, disappointment, Bake was better, dat toothbrush, etc, etc.

Hopefully Kizu fares much better.
 

cajunator

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I find it hilarious that everyone is disappointed in akb0048 not being as awful as initially believed.
i feel the same disappointment.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
I find it hilarious that everyone is disappointed in akb0048 not being as awful as initially believed.
i feel the same disappointment.
It's not going to turn out good, so I'd rather it be as bad as possible for me to enjoy it as a complete failure.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Nise 11

Anyway, disappointment, Bake was better, dat toothbrush, etc, etc.

I don't get the Bake was better thing. Giving it some more thought, I think I like how this season was wrapped up in the theme of the fake... whereas Bake, as a whole, was a series of character introductions.

I mean, different, sure. Better? I dunno.
 

Go_Ly_Dow

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Thoraxes

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Oh, I didn't notice the guy zooms in. Ffffff. Thanks for the warning. I'll add a tag.
I got your back :D
Well, there are those crazy Mormon extremists with their multiple wives, and some third world countries still have some polygamy I'm pretty sure... but in general, polygamy is only something that has ever been available to richer men -- being wealthy enough to support more than one wife was a major status symbol in societies that allowed it. Poor, or average, people would very rarely have had multiple wives.
I prefer when the MCs eventually make a choice for one girl or another, by the end, like in To Heart (season 1), any of Key's works, or, yes, Love Hina.

Wishy-washy to the end is really annoying, but going for the harem end isn't much better, partially because it requires a massive suspension of disbelief -- it requires you to believe that the girls actually wouldn't care about sharing a husband, they love this guy SO MUCH that they'd abandon all of the values they learned in favor of being a multiple wife -- ie, the concept is quite sexist when the girls go for it; I think most of the time, only people raised from birth with polygamist brainwashing would accept such things. Also, the guy rarely actually GETS the harem, or if he does it's only in a halfhearted "they like him and he likes them and they all live together but no actual confirmation of anything concrete ever happens", such as in Tenchi Muyo, so it usually ends up being a wishy-washy ending anyway, either because the girls aren't okay with it, or because the writer doesn't want to anger any of the girls' fanbases by choosing one, so they just end with an ambiguous "his troublesome days continue" "ending". Negima went this route.

Seriously, outside of final routes in H-games, how often do the guys actually GET legit harem endings? As I say above it of course shouldn't happen like 99% of the time, so I'm not saying they should, but really, without either having a legit harem end or ending with a single girl, the main reason to keep on the "harem" path in anime or manga is to not have to choose someone and keep the story going, without resolving anything. And I don't think many of us here like that stuff.
Well said. The only way I can see it being done without having to completely suspend belief too, is if they end up animating something akin to TLR Darkness, which is probably as close as you can get to the anime genre without having to lose that (albeit it's raunchy as hell though).
 
Winter rankings... sure, why not. There is a sizable gap between first and second place, and an even larger one between second and third place. Those top two are by far this season's best shows.

1. Bodacious Space Pirates (best anime series in the last two years)
2. Tantei Opera Milky Holmes II (solid second season)

3. Last Exile: Fam, the Silver Wing (despite significant issues, it makes the list anyway) (continuing series from last season, finishing this season)
4. Daily Lives of High School Boys (decently funny, at times)
5. High School DxD (partially good, partially bad)
6. Kill Me Baby (stupid-funny)
7. Brave 10 (mediocre)

Would be on the list if I watched it more often, like I should be: Chihayafuru


Don't make the list, but I watched at least part of an episode of: Zero no Tsukaima F, Rinne no Lagrange, Senki Zesshou Symphogear, Smile Precure 4


Yeah, I got that. Was just saying that I was more teasing the Twister part than actually scowling at it in disgust. It is good news to hear that it doesn't over indulge though.
Ah, I see... but yeah, it doesn't do the overdone creepy fanservice that it could have, definitely to its credit.

Umm...Yes? Now you're making me question whether I've seen it. Yikes, only the 4th episode and Twenty's perviness is starting to blend in my mind! lawl
Beautiful Me is
Twenty's daimakura of himself
. Hilarious stuff.

Yeah. Liked it quite a bit!
I think the bear thing was maybe the best moment in that one... :)

Well said.
As far as I can remember, in cases where a poor or middle-class person had/has multiple wives, the second "wife" would generally be basically a servant, though most of the time they wouldn't have one at all.
 

trejo

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I don't get the Bake was better thing. Giving it some more thought, I think I like how this season was wrapped up in the theme of the fake... whereas Bake, as a whole, was a series of character introductions.

I mean, different, sure. Better? I dunno.

Better in the sense that it didn't make me want to take a shower after the majority of the episodes. It was only a few instead.

And that's not even going into things like the pacing or direction, which is something that has already been expounded on enough times.
 

Thoraxes

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As far as I can remember, in cases where a poor or middle-class person had/has multiple wives, the second "wife" would generally be basically a servant, though most of the time they wouldn't have one at all.
That, and for some reason I remember there's shows out there where they're just kept around because they had a bastard child.
 
That, and for some reason I remember there's shows out there where they're just kept around because they had a bastard child.
That's possible, yeah, but I'd think that that second wife would likely be treated poorly/have to do a lot of the work, along the lines of what I said. Of course, getting married because the girl gets pregnant is a pretty traditional reason for marriage in many cultures (Europe, for instance, just without the polygamy aspect).

As for anime though, on the subject of Seitokai no Ichizon, I've only watched two episodes of it (and did not like it very much), so I don't know which direction that goes, but I'd be surprised if it actually has a real choice... it did not seem like that kind of show.
 

Thoraxes

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That's possible, yeah, but I'd think that that second wife would likely be treated poorly/have to do a lot of the work, along the lines of what I said. Of course, getting married because the girl gets pregnant is a pretty traditional reason for marriage in many cultures (Europe, for instance, just without the polygamy aspect).

As for anime though, on the subject of Seitokai no Ichizon, I've only watched two episodes of it (and did not like it very much), so I don't know which direction that goes, but I'd be surprised if it actually has a real choice... it did not seem like that kind of show.

It gets a little more serious and they focus on girls one-by-one (with some much more "serious" moments), but it's kinda presented not as much as the hijinks portion of the show, and feels pretty sidelined in the grand scheme of things. It was still ok for me at any rate.

Because of the direction in the first season, i'm actually a little more interested in seeing how the announced sequel is going to flow because it's a different studio.
 

frostbyte

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Blood 4-7

At least something happened. Finally a break from that monotonous exposition of Saya singing and eating Guimauve.

And now they're literally bringing the buckets of blood and gore. I hate senseless violence that doesn't contribute meaningfully to the plot in any way.


It gets a little more serious and they focus on girls one-by-one (with some much more "serious" moments), but it's kinda presented not as much as the hijinks portion of the show, and feels pretty sidelined in the grand scheme of things. It was still ok for me at any rate.

Because of the direction in the first season, i'm actually a little more interested in seeing how the announced sequel is going to flow because it's a different studio.

I didn't really like the injected drama into the plot. To be honest, more than a few comedies don't work when the "serious" moments are forced into the show. Prime example is Kannagi.

I still liked Seitokai no Ichizon despite this.
 

Ultimadrago

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This Winter, I'm glad I took time to watch stuff I missed from the past (Usagi Drop, Sword of Stranger, Fate/Zero, etc.) Was much more enjoyable than what I watched from what was airing currently. Then again, I missed out on Bodacious Space Pirates and Nise! (Is this correct, those were what I'm missing, right?)
Might get back to them at a later date.

Man I need to get back into glass fleet. It's all I have left on the new guy checklist.

Garzey's Wing dub
School Days
Arjuna
Glass Fleet dub

Black Lion dub

Awwww, do I haaaave to?
 
This Winter, I'm glad I took time to watch stuff I missed from the past (Usagi Drop, Sword of Stranger, Fate/Zero, etc.) Was much more enjoyable than what I watched from what was airing currently. Then again, I missed out on Bodacious Space Pirates and Nise! (Is this correct, those were what I missing, right?)
Might get back to them at a later date.
Do try Space Pirates sometime at least.

So you strikethrough ones you've seen?

Garzey's Wing dub
School Days (watched a few clips and read the rest on Wikipedia, do not want to watch whole show)
Arjuna
Glass Fleet dub (watched first episode and some random clips, little interest in continuing)
Black Lion dub

Awwww, do I haaaave to?
No. (though Garzey's Wing and Black Lion should be must-watches for anyone, sure! But you've watched those. As for the others though, they're full series, and I can't say "force yourself to watch a whole terrible series you hate"... I often wouldn't, so I can't say others should either.
 
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