Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This

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Wooo, i'm glad you liked it! It's such a great work, and I was a mess after I watched it because I did nothing but sit there and evaluate my life and past unrequited feelings for a week and got horribly depressed, but then rebounded quickly anyways. It was an experience, and man is it just a good experience.

I'm actively avoiding that landmine and focusing on the more hopeful points. Although now that I've got it in my mind, I'll probably end up wandering onto it sooner or later.

Anyway, thank you for the recommendation. You done good.

Now watch The Place Promised in Our Early Days.

AnimeGAF's will be done.
 
Black★Rock Shooter 01: I get the impression that I should maybe watch the OVA?
They totally want to bone each other, c'mon.

I was thoroughly impressed with the CGI. Visually it looks precisely like traditional 2D art, and the illusion is only broken when characters move with the camera in a static position. Which is not bad if you have played video games for a long time, mind you, just different.

I would watch a whole anime with CGI like this. edit: So Imaishi was in charge of the fantasy world scenes? No wonder it was fucking awesome!
 
Black★Rock Shooter 01: I get the impression that I should maybe watch the OVA?

Don't, it will probably decrease your enjoyment of the TV show and they aren't related at all.
OVA Mato and OVA Yomi are much, much better than their TV show equivalents. ;_;
 
I just thought how it was a total accident was great. On one hand it's an underwhelming setup, but on the other it perfectly shows how the most insignificant thoughts can lead into a tragic situation when dealing with a Geass.
I agree wholeheartedly. It was absolutely fantastic.
If Lelouche had, say, had some kind of robot-piloting accident and caused a similar level of destruction, that would have been bad enough. But no, it was a needless joke. The absolute worst way to cause a tragedy. Like if you played a silly prank on your spouse and somehow it wound up getting them killed.
He could have said anything else, tell her "dance naked until I tell you to stop" or something, but his brain spit that out, as the perfect example of an order that would be unthinkable for Euphie to follow. The sheer pointlessness of having caused that tortures Lelouche. It's the sort of thing people commit suicide over, but he doesn't even have that as an option because of his responsibility to the rebellion he started, his responsibility for that situation itself, and his concern for his sister. So he's forced to push on living with that.

Shirley was bullshit though.
 
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hand puppets!

Kill me Baby is pretty much the best silly entertainment this season.
 
Black★Rock Shooter 1
This episode is significantly worse than the OVA. I don't mind the use of CGI, but the art, animation, and even the script are all downgrades.
 
Arjuna 01:

Huh. Madness begins innocently enough, though there was already a healthy dose of heavy-handed environmentalism and shit was certainly getting weird by the end of the episode.

I am not trusting Chris for a moment.
Intentionally kill Juna with a magical rainbow aura thing just to revive her as the Avatar of Time? Offer her life back when it's established in the opening nature slideshow that human lives don't mean shit to the planet? Belonging to an organization that employs sinful modern technology and employing that tech to sustain his life? Fuckin' suspicious, man.

Moreso than the environmental themes, the sheer garishness of everything is already screaming amazing trainwreck to me. Horrid CG, surfaces and backgrounds that don't quite feel like they're on the same planes as the characters, use of actual photographs, hideous character design for Chris and his loli cohort, Juna's clothing magically becoming fanservice-tastic after she
revives
, freakish
glowing magatama womb transformation sequence
and her subsequent
neon alien-fish-rodent-WHATTHEFUCKISTHIS form
. Everything after the first few minutes was an assault on the eyes.

And yet I NEED MOAR. Don't bother to wish me luck, as there's no chance I'm returning from this series with my sanity intact.
 
Black★Rock Shooter 01

Interesting strategy, to make the CGI look better by deliberately making the 2D animated real world look atrocious. I mean, this has to be deliberate, right?


They did some interesting things with the CGI to make it less apparent. There was the line-variation technique already mentioned. They also chose a simpler shading style, and everything was overlayed with lots of effects, including digital filters and 2D animation effects. At the same time, it was certainly apparent at times that it was CGI, and there are limitations even when it is done this well. I don't think this could really work as well with a different director or a different style. It wouldn't work if you had more complicated character designs, or more realistic lighting. And it wouldn't work if the characters had to emote more than the rather stoic BRS characters. And even though this looks decent, it in no way compares to the OVA animation, and I can't say I would ever prefer it over decently done 2D fight scenes.

As for the plot, it was terrible and dumb. I said when I finished the OVA I didn't really see where they could go in a TV series, except to rehash the exact same story in sillier ways, and my fears were realized. Although I didn't expect it to get so goofy and cliched so fast. U GET DA UGLY COOKIES AND UGLY DOLL BECUZ U UGLY LOL. It was just so trite and exaggerated compared to the more down-to-earth OVA.

Dresden will like it though.


Also I thought it was funny when the dollhouse had better art than everything else.
 
Filthy Frown 15

Lulz aside, if this means Shu is finally going to stop being such an annoying little bitch then I'm all for that so... fuck the haters, I guess? At least for the time being and until he gets a lesson on the power of friendship or some such shit and goes back to his old ways.
 
Guilty Crown 15

Holy shit! I think it's clear now why Shu looks so pissed in the OP :(

I guess this makes Hare the Shirley of Guilty Crown. I honestly think it's more effective. I was seriously close to tearing up when she started crawling toward Shu and talking about the king book. Then Shu's reaction was gold. Dem dead eyes.

I am legitimately baffled that people are saying this has gotten worse. I honestly didn't expect it to get this good at all.
 
That wheelchair girl totally looks like she's going to grow some segway wheels for feet. Losing interest.

That's just her persona/alternate universe ghost/whatever. I'm fairly sure she'll be crippled forever in the real world.
Plus she's emotionally crippled as well.
 
Chihaya 17

So basically now we get a training arc so Chihaya can power up enough to take on the big bad. I liked this show a lot better when it was more about the characters and less about Karuta power levels.
 
Amagami SS+ 5

The angst is dumb, but they managed to perhaps top the original series in terms of the pervy things the guy is able to get away with. Amazing.
 
Chihaya 17

So basically now we get a training arc so Chihaya can power up enough to take on the big bad. I liked this show a lot better when it was more about the characters and less about Karuta power levels.

It's been about karuta power levels for some time, but the better episodes weave it in more naturally with the story and characters.
 
Black★Rock Shooter OVA: I liked this OVA for the opposite reasons I liked the first episode of the anime. Whereas the TV show was boring friendship antics summarised in twenty minutes the OVA managed to make me care and believe Yomi and Mato's blossoming relationship. On the other hand, I was engaged by the fantasy world action in the TV series, but thought the OVA handled these scenes very... non-sequituresque? There's no rhyme or reason to how they are spaced throughout the fifty-minute run even if it plays an important role in the climax. Never mind that the ending is totally robbed of any emotion with how buffoonishly it handles the last scene
(I. AM. BLACK ROCK SHOOOTAAAAAN.)
.

I wish this had been forty minutes of Mato and Yomi's antics instead of forty minutes of Mato and Yomi's antics plus ten silly minutes of dead-flat chested girls shooting and slicing at each other. It doesn't matter how greatly animated or visually-arresting the action is if it adds nothing to the theme of the piece, and if it starts to irritate me to the point where I want to go back to the mundane real-life stuff, well, that's a flaw.

I give this OVA three 7ths out of five. And yes, I agree with 7th; they downgraded Yomi and Mato. They actually had a personality before. >:(
 
Black Rock Shooter 01:

That was actually.......pretty okay?

I have to give the animators credit. The methods used for masking the use of CG for BRS, Dead Master, and crew worked really well. Even if it was slightly apparent in this or that scene, for the most part it passed well enough for 2D. The same can't be said for the
machine controlled by Yellow Wheelchair Shooter
, but the choreography of the fight was interesting enough to keep my mind off of any CG deficiencies for the most part.

So far, I'm liking how the relationship between Mato and Yomi is developing more than the OVA. In spite of
a mansion, dollhouse, vanity, and other conspicuous signs of wealth
, Yomi feels like much less of an unapproachable ojousama so the friendship feels more natural. Mato's overall character design suffered, but Yomi's was given a new dimension of HNNNNNNG. Something about those glasses and that hair gives her almost an awkward, geeky look (and screams yuri, but no sign of that yet.
Dat counselor is going to take center stage in all of my BRS yuri fantasies anyway.
)

Wheelchair bitch
was pretty laughable and a cheap way to
put a wedge between Mato and Yomi's friendship
, but it had to happen somehow if BRS-world is still going to be
representative of the difficulties in their friendship
and it's at least better than
the friendship jealousy bullshit
from the OVA. I'm not expecting the show to have the best-written characters ever, so I can live with it. All told, it's pretty good for what it is so far. It's the first newtaminA show that doesn't feel like it's trying too hard.
 
It's been about karuta power levels for some time, but the better episodes weave it in more naturally with the story and characters.

Precisely. It's just a bit disappointing how much more obvious it's been about it recently.

Take Taichi's
breakup
, for example. That could've made for a nice bit of character development but instead they chose to just make a funny little gag of it instead and treated it as an afterthought in favor of other, less interesting things.
 
They're just friends that happen to share an interest in the same book about a bird in a land of magical rainbows. No need to read anything more into that.

Black Rock Shooter 01:

Wheelchair bitch
was pretty laughable and a cheap way to
put a wedge between Mato and Yomi's friendship
, but it had to happen somehow and it's at least better than
the friendship jealousy bullshit
from the OVA.

Really? I can't see how a cliched anime villain appearing from nowhere is better than a naturally developed obstacle.

It's the first newtaminA show that doesn't feel like it's trying too hard.

It might be a little bit better than crap like No. 6 and Guilty Crown, but that's not really saying much.
 
I'm sorry, at least No.6 and Guilty Crown had nice art. BRS, outside of the fantasy world, had really bad art and laughable animation. I don't love action sequences quite enough to forgive something like that.
 
I'm sorry, at least No.6 and Guilty Crown had nice art. BRS, outside of the fantasy world, had really bad art and laughable animation. I don't love action sequences quite enough to forgive something like that.

No. 6 and Guilty Crown don't really have nice art, they just aren't as ugly as BRS.
 
Really? I can't see how a cliched anime villain appearing from nowhere is better than a naturally developed obstacle.

I didn't find the
extreme levels of jealousy and feelings of abandonment from Yomi
particularly natural in the OVA. I'm not saying that wheelchair girl is at all subtle in her purpose or character, but Yomi's levels of overreaction in the OVA hurt the believability of her dispute with Mato for me.
 
Garzey's Wing 2

The selected quotes of Lord Chris:

"You certainly got sexy!"

"Why can't you do something for us mister Yamato-takeru-nomikoto?!"

"I'm just half. I can't act like an ancient japanese man. Oh no, damn you. You bastard!"

"Shit! Then can you make a gun?"


oh god ahahhaha at the weaponised cocaine. "If you taste it or smoke it, you get happy and do crazy things."

Now, to be fair, that's all thanks to the amazing dub and not the show itself!
 
Guilty Crown 15

Holy shit! I think it's clear now why Shu looks so pissed in the OP :(

I guess this makes Hare the Shirley of Guilty Crown. I honestly think it's more effective. I was seriously close to tearing up when she started crawling toward Shu and talking about the king book. Then Shu's reaction was gold. Dem dead eyes.

I am legitimately baffled that people are saying this has gotten worse. I honestly didn't expect it to get this good at all.
Well I had pretty much the opposite reaction to the episode, so I dunno.
They should have just called Hare "Lamb". This whole time she has been the boring childhood friend character whose personality is "nice". She never says anything that could remotely be taken as anything other than caring to try and make her death a bigger deal, but I just didn't care. I would maybe go so far as to say that I have never been more indifferent to watching a character die. Her death was slow, stupid, and thrust into the plot because we have to hit some kind of turning point for Shu. As she went through the whole self sacrifice routine I pretty much just went, "Hey, can we speed this up? I get it. Maybe if her brain was a quarter of the size of her chest she could have just healed herself and then Shu, and they wouldn't have to go through the contrivance of killing her twice."

But then the episode was also just stupid for so many other reasons, as Guilty Crown usually is. Shu can pretty much stomp through anything and he has an obscene number of tools at hand, but somehow they can't get enough medicine, or break out of the quarantine zone. Why did Inori not want Shu to draw her void in the middle of a battlefield? Because the writers couldn't think of anything better to help show Shu acting like a completely different person even though there wasn't any real build up to that. Oh, and to nail in the character shift the writers had Shu do the whole cliched blaming somebody else for the death of his friend, where he beat them up crying out for him to bring her back from the dead.

This show doesn't do anything well. Even its shock value falls completely flat because of the contrivances the show stretches to in order to accommodate the way they want the plot to move. It's pretty pitiful, but the show has stepped off some kind of precipice, so at the very least I hope its new direction will offer something more cogent. I am pretty ready to give up on the show though.
 
Ugh. The PV for Gyo looks pretty bad.

Please don't be CG fish please please please fuuuuuuuuuuuuck why screw up the most important part? That's absolutely the WRONG place to use CG argggghhh so much fail.
Problem is I feel like I've seen everything thanks to that trailer. It's like Hollywood movie trailers are infecting Japan. D:

4 minutes is a ridiculous length for a trailer. It should have been all build up ending with the reveal of a single land shark, or something.
Damn, lotta people ITT need to read Gyo. The brilliance of Ito knows no bounds.
Right, he specialises in suspense. That trailer has no suspense.
 
Guilty Crown 15:
Couldn't Hare have healed herself before Shu? I guess it's because she was so nice : (

At least Souta got decked for being a retard. Maybe Shu get some shit done now while being a tyrant. This show makes every Thursday better.

Nichibros 3-4: Karasawa the boss, no matter what the situation always just gets things done. The meeting of the two student councils and their combined culture fest was a riot. The scene with Yoshitake and that one girl voiced by Chiwa Saito hahaha. Putting on airs indeed. The boy student president is such a bro. The vice president is so competent too.

The combination of Yuu Kobayashi and Chiwa Saito in the highschool girls scene was just too much lol. Karasawa being smooth again!

It's been awhile since I've seen a show do some bits during those sponsor shoutouts section of the episode. Reminds of me School Rumble in that way.

Call me Papa 3-4: That fanservice I could do without but it's par for course. It'll be funny when you have Raika and the sisters meeting up. I still enjoy the family segments (Hina is cute and stuff). The thing about the girls' underwear touching the dude's while in the laundromat is so dumb. Just throw it in and wash it : /
 
guilty crown 15

the childhood friend finally admits feelings for shu. show proceeds to kill her off in the dumbest way ever.

i'm completely blown away with the capacity of this show to get even shittier with each and every episode. i... i just can't bring myself to watch this horrendous piece of shit anymore. it's so goddamn fucking awful. dropped.

Only the finest writers in anime could come up with that plot again.
 
I didn't find the
extreme levels of jealousy and feelings of abandonment from Yomi
particularly natural in the OVA. I'm not saying that wheelchair girl is at all subtle in her purpose or character, but Yomi's levels of overreaction in the OVA hurt the believability of her dispute with Mato for me.

It was obviously melodramatic, but then, she is a teenage girl. I found it a whole lot more believable than the EAT DA COOKIES nonsense.
 
Oh, I think you're right.

Regardless, it's an exquisite movie
and I've watched it twice over the past two days! with that stupid end credits song!
so I really can't wait to own it in non-crappy form. :3

Manga video really did their best to save us from that crappy Kenji Kawai score that no-one wanted to hear anyway.
 
Tantei Opera Milky Holmes II 3 - Finally, a great episode of Milky Holmes 2! After two mediocre episodes I was starting to worry about this show, but this episode shows that they still can indeed write funny Milky Holmes stories, indeed. This episode was great stuff beginning to end, and returns to the kinds of absurd storylines, plot points, and humor of the first season. It was just so completely ridiculous, and also funny... very good work!

This episode is about the Milky Holmes team as they infiltrate, and get imprisoned on, a prison island. There was just so much to like about this episode. There's a musical number (yes, really!), a prison break, the return of their detective outfits (
this time with a short transformation sequence... :lol:
, a weird ending, some varied art (some of the faces, for instance...), lots and lots of sea cucumbers... funny stuff all around.

If I have any complaints about this episode... well, I can really only think of one (warning, ending spoilers) --
How were they supposed to know that that was a city prison? Yeah, it's an island within sight of the city, but they're never charged with a crime, they get locked up simply for landing on the island, they're never told it's an official facility... seriously, I know this show is completely silly, and yes, releasing all the prisoners was probably an iffy move, but still, there's no way they could have known. And anyway, breaking out after being imprisoned without a trial for doing nothing wrong isn't bad, I think.
... I know, you're not supposed to think about it that much, and are just supposed to accept it. I know, but I can't quite... still, apart from that, this episode was great. This is by far the best episode of the season so far, and stands well against most of the first season episodes too. :)


Daily Lives of High School Boys 1 - That was funny, sure, but Nichijou's equal or better? No way. Sorry. It's not. The situations are about as implausible really (okay, not as fantastic, but certainly not too likely either), and it's not as interesting or funny. I mean, was I amused sometimes? Yeah, it can be funny. But is it one of the great comedy animes, like Nichijou is most of the time? Not in my opinion.

About some of the skits:
Skirts one - Yeah, I can't see that happening. "Ghost stories" - heh... maybe? "him with a girl" - I really don't understand anime's thing about groups of guys without girlfriends who try to keep their male classmates/friends from getting girlfriends... it's such a common anime theme, but I don't know where they came up with it. Is this some Japanese thing? You certainly don't see anything really like that in most American stuff. 'literary girl' one - partially tedious, but the punchline at the end was funny.

Overall, I'll probably watch a bit more of this, but I don't love it.

Garzey's Wing 2



The selected quotes of Lord Chris:

"You certainly got sexy!"

"Why can't you do something for us mister Yamato-takeru-nomikoto?!"

"I'm just half. I can't act like an ancient japanese man. Oh no, damn you. You bastard!"

"Shit! Then can you make a gun?"


oh god ahahhaha at the weaponised cocaine. "If you taste it or smoke it, you get happy and do crazy things."


all of them
Only one more to go, prepare yourself for one of the greatest endings in anime!

"knew all about it" sorta makes it sound like they're fans.

Who knows, they could be...

One of the most famous, especially in Japan, is the 11th century Tale of Genji, where the titular character kidnaps a girl from a life of poverty at a young age and then raises her to eventually be his wife. This tactic is even called the Hikaru Genji Plan when used in literature. This shit is older than print.
Older than print? But the Tale of Genji was originally a printed book... :)

Anyway, okay, I guess that is a good Japanese example of that. And that's really, really bad, but still,
having it be someone who through most of the story is thought to be an actual relative IS worse, I think.
Of course both are incredibly creepy and wrong though. (It is kind of odd how the Tale of Genji was written by a woman, isn't it, given content like that...)

Daily Lives of High School Boys 4

I can't really call this the "superior Nichijou" as some here have. I was one of the ones for whom Nichijou's gags worked most of the time, and I'm not finding this much funnier. Plus, comparing the audiovisual excellence of the former show to the mediocrity of the current show in those areas does it no favors. The backgrounds are minimal to an almost distracting degree. The rooms the boys hang out in at home look too empty to be living spaces. A certain rough energy to the character designs - something that came out in the fight scene in this episode - does save the visuals from complete drabness.

It is a fun watch. Its style of humor, based around awkward personal interactions, suits me to the point where I even laughed at the pre-OP scene, despite its lack of a real punchline. Most of the VAs do a good job, although there's not enough Sugita. (You can never have too much Sugita.)

They totally ripped that one joke from Gintama.
Agreed, yes. It is a funny show, but it's no competition for Nichijou, not even close.

Sort of. It's a re-imagination of the OVA story, so it starts from the beginning, but there are more character relationships and stuff. The wheelchair girl is Yomi's friend, who presumably wants to keep Mato away so she can have Yomi to herself, Mato already knows Yuu since they're both in the basketball club, and this is before she and Yomi become close friends apparently. There's also a school counselor and a senior in the basketball club.
I don't understand why this series is a retelling of the OVA, when the main problem with the OVA was that it felt like the first part of a longer series... I really hope that they extend it and make it feel more like a complete story this time. I was hoping it'd be a sequel to the OVA, really, but we'll see how this works.

Black★Rock Shooter (OVA/2010)

After watching it again for the first time in more than a year, it occurs to me that the budget for this OVA could not have been that high. Much to it's credit, it makes the most of it's budget, smoothly meshing 3DCG backgrounds and 2D characters. Some of the fight animation is a bit choppy but more than plenty serviceable. The art design itself is intentionally heavily stylized in Otherworld but relatively straightfoward in the real world. Mato is voiced by Kana in MAXIMUM HNNNNNNG Mode and is paired with a workmanlike performance from Miyuki Sawashiro (the voice of Kanbaru) as Yomi. Since Kana is also the voice of Nadeko, this pairing represents two members of Araragi's harem reuniting in this OVA. ryo of Supercell of course contributes the excellent soundtrack music and composed the ED "Braveheart" for The Gomband.

The B★RS OVA is a successful project simply because it doesn't try to be more than anything it is. The story is intentionally as simple as possible in the real world, but pairs that straightfoward aspect with the fantastic nature of the Otherworld. By keeping it simple, the story allows basic emotions to flow freely within it's framework and prevents pretense from dragging the narrative down, such as it is. Also, it has YURI SUBTEXT. Everything is better with lesbians, or so I am led to believe!

The character designs are of course notable, especially the one for Black★Rock Shooter herself. As an advanced moetron prototype, B★RS contains a number of pleasing aspects in her design. She is, to put it simply, a pale gothic twin-tailed loli wearing a string bikini and short shorts wielding a huge gun which transforms into a huge sword. The designs for Dead Master and Yuu's "other self" are also distinctive, which again off-set the relatively straightforward designs for Mato, Yomi, and Yuu in the real world. What makes the character designs work is the intentional way that everybody's Otherworld selves are stylized versions of their real selves, making them both recognizable and unique at the same time.

The OVA always felt like a condensed or abbreviated version of a full story, as demonstrated by the unresolved appearance of Yuu's "other self" interspersed throughout the 52-minutes long animation. Also, there's a short after-credits sequence which implies there was more story to tell. Hopefully with a full 8 episodes, the B★RS anime will be able to give us the rest of the story that was only hinted at in the OVA.
Yeah, as I said above, that last paragraph was how I felt about the 2010 OVA too -- it felt like a solid first episode of a longer series. It's not a very good stand-alone story, though, which is why I was hoping the new series would be the sequel it needed... hopefully it continues past that point this time, but eight episodes isn't that many.

We can only hope Horizon meets the same fate as IS.
No, IS deserves another season more than Horizon for sure... :(
 
Well I had pretty much the opposite reaction to the episode, so I dunno.
They should have just called Hare "Lamb". This whole time she has been the boring childhood friend character whose personality is "nice". She never says anything that could remotely be taken as anything other than caring to try and make her death a bigger deal, but I just didn't care. I would maybe go so far as to say that I have never been more indifferent to watching a character die. Her death was slow, stupid, and thrust into the plot because we have to hit some kind of turning point for Shu. As she went through the whole self sacrifice routine I pretty much just went, "Hey, can we speed this up? I get it. Maybe if her brain was a quarter of the size of her chest she could have just healed herself and then Shu, and they wouldn't have to go through the contrivance of killing her twice."

But then the episode was also just stupid for so many other reasons, as Guilty Crown usually is. Shu can pretty much stomp through anything and he has an obscene number of tools at hand, but somehow they can't get enough medicine, or break out of the quarantine zone. Why did Inori not want Shu to draw her void in the middle of a battlefield? Because the writers couldn't think of anything better to help show Shu acting like a completely different person even though there wasn't any real build up to that. Oh, and to nail in the character shift the writers had Shu do the whole cliched blaming somebody else for the death of his friend, where he beat them up crying out for him to bring her back from the dead.

This show doesn't do anything well. Even its shock value falls completely flat because of the contrivances the show stretches to in order to accommodate the way they want the plot to move. It's pretty pitiful, but the show has stepped off some kind of precipice, so at the very least I hope its new direction will offer something more cogent. I am pretty ready to give up on the show though.

I'll agree that Hare is a bit underdeveloped beyond her love for Shu, but I honestly thought that was enough. Even though Shu was aware of it, her "official" confession still left a deep impact on him. Is it cliche that she did that before dying? Absolutely. Does it still work? Again, absolutely. Same thing happened in TTGL and it was great.

Also, I'm pretty sure it was confirmed you can't use a Void on yourself, so there's that.

As for Inori's reaction; well you still have to jam your hand into someone's chest to pull out their Void. Irrational or not given the situation, I think anyone would put up a bit of resistance if they looked like they were coming at you with the face of a rapist or something.

And just like the confession being cliche yet working, I could say the same about Shu's attitude toward Souta. It's an understandable reaction and is in line with his development. This episode made it quite clear Shu needs to change and this event makes it seem like it could go either way. A temporary "fall" is the kind of shakeup the show needs.

So yeah, I disagree and stuff.
 
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