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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -4| It's not my fault!

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Mandoric

Banned
She certainly was not in that episode.

Mobile Suit Gundam 16

D-did they really just show Mirai topless? W-what?

Also, Amuro has at long last begun his total breakdown, it would seem. Frau Bow is ticked he's leaving before she can get some, but Amuro has had enough. Especially now that he's a man after seeing Mirai topless.

Tomino is allowed to nipples. The people who put Brain Powerd on TV agreed, don't bother them about it.
 

Mandoric

Banned
If I remember correctly that's a remnant from the pre-DVD era. Yellow would be more easily discernible as degradation started to affect the tape.

It's more analog video/tube TVs in general. IIRC, the guys who went on to found Animeigo did an honest-to-goodness scientific study while they were at Cornell and found out yellow with very dark brown borders was most readable on tube TVs from analog sources.
 

OceanBlue

Member
If I remember correctly that's a remnant from the pre-DVD era. Yellow would be more easily discernible as degradation started to affect the tape.

It's more analog video/tube TVs in general. IIRC, the guys who went on to found Animeigo did an honest-to-goodness scientific study while they were at Cornell and found out yellow with very dark brown borders was most readable on tube TVs from analog sources.

What?! I remember asking if the yellow was a remnant of older technology here a while ago and, if I remember correctly, people said no. I wish you guys were there then. :(
 
THE UNLIMITED - Hyoubu Kyousuke 02

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This show is still continuing the smash people around with a guy who's basically invincible at this point and I still like it. It is basically Code:Breaker without the OGAMI and less action, which is a decent trade-off.
 

Instro

Member
Space Brothers 40

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Wow, this was one of the best single episodes of anime I've seen over the last year, really impressive. What they were doing with the lighting and shadows was perfect for the mood. With Hibito's lights sweeping back and forth across the screen, illuminating particles, bits of lens flaring, etc. Worked so well. Very well directed too, I really liked how a number of the shots were being framed with Hibito in relation to other characters and objects, plus they were doing a lot of focus shifting in many of the scenes to accentuate that. As always the quality score was there to back the show up as well, they really built quite an oppressive atmosphere to match the situation. The interplay of flashbacks, as Space Brothers has always done well, with the rest of the scenes were timed to provide some insights and increase the emotional intensity too. It helped that there was quite a bit of detail in the art going into certain scenes as well, particularly on the suits.

Awesome stuff. It's one of those expected developments that come with this kind of show, but it was cool to see the staff handle it so well.
 

duckroll

Member
Escaflowne Movie

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I FUCKING LOOOVED IT!! The animation, soundtrack, story re-envisioning, and action were stellar all around! It's the perfect companion to the series. It doesn't step on the series' feet, nor does it plot the same story beats that we already know. The background art is to die for (it really is), and the redesigns of the characters are great! The world was dripping in rich history. I may have preferred to see this as a four part OVA to fill in the story a little more and flesh out some characters, but as it is, it was quite spectacular! I also enjoyed how the armors were partially organic requiring a more direct blood oath from the pilot. If I have any complaint it's that the final conflict is a bit anti-climactic, and a few of the side characters are washed over, but other than that this was just excellent. I love this whole series so much.

Did I mention dat soundtrack?? DAT soundtrack!

Yay! <3

The movie definitely doesn't have the depth and scope the series does, but instead it tried to go for a much bolder and more visceral tone while keeping the general feel of what Escaflowne is all about. I certainly didn't regret watching it, but I do recall the one question I posed to the director at the panel after the AX premiere of the movie was "why did you ruin Folken's character in the movie". :(((((((((((((((

That's my only gripe. Otherwise it was really enjoyable and a solid cinematic approach to the Escaflowne material.
 

Instro

Member
Yay! <3

The movie definitely doesn't have the depth and scope the series does, but instead it tried to go for a much bolder and more visceral tone while keeping the general feel of what Escaflowne is all about. I certainly didn't regret watching it, but I do recall the one question I posed to the director at the panel after the AX premiere of the movie was "why did you ruin Folken's character in the movie". :(((((((((((((((

That's my only gripe. Otherwise it was really enjoyable and a solid cinematic approach to the Escaflowne material.

How did the director respond?
 

Branduil

Member
Yay! <3

The movie definitely doesn't have the depth and scope the series does, but instead it tried to go for a much bolder and more visceral tone while keeping the general feel of what Escaflowne is all about. I certainly didn't regret watching it, but I do recall the one question I posed to the director at the panel after the AX premiere of the movie was "why did you ruin Folken's character in the movie". :(((((((((((((((

That's my only gripe. Otherwise it was really enjoyable and a solid cinematic approach to the Escaflowne material.

Everything that has to do with Folken in the movie is dumb. Especially
how he dies.
 

Extollere

Sucks at poetry
Yay! <3

The movie definitely doesn't have the depth and scope the series does, but instead it tried to go for a much bolder and more visceral tone while keeping the general feel of what Escaflowne is all about. I certainly didn't regret watching it, but I do recall the one question I posed to the director at the panel after the AX premiere of the movie was "why did you ruin Folken's character in the movie". :(((((((((((((((

That's my only gripe. Otherwise it was really enjoyable and a solid cinematic approach to the Escaflowne material.

Folken was SUPER David Bowie, lmao... but otherwise, everyone was hyper-emotionalized (is that a word?), like, every character represented a single emotion, but to the highest degree. Van = uncertainty, Hitomi = hopelessness, Merle = Lust, Folken = Resent, etc.. each character's representative emotion served as a way for those characters to find resolve (IE Van's uncertainty turned to certainty / Hitomi's hopelessness turned into hope, etc..
Merle's Lust turned into Lust.
) So the characters were all one dimensional as a necessity - mainly due to taking such a spanning story - one that could barely fit into 26 episodes, and compressing it to one and a half hours. But I do see your point!

Regardless, great experience! Must see!! BONES did an excellent job as well.
 
Hyobu Kyousuke: The Unlimited 2

Man, the tone of this sure is different from the manga (well, until recently at least). What's interesting about this series is while we're lead to believe Hyobu is a despicable esper supremacist, we never actually see him or Pandra do anything particularly villainous outside of fighting the protagonists and the odd flashback where he took revenge on people.

Here, we really get an idea just how merciless the organization is. It really is like Code:Breaker, with the difference being these are unarguably villains from both a storytelling and sympathetic viewpoint. That's why I find the inclusion of Andy so interesting. Will he learn to love Pandra and become a villain as well, or will he remain a good guy despite the occasional bouts of compassion toward the half fun-loving, half merciless Normal killer group?

Also, the action is good. Gotta love Magi's ability.
 

duckroll

Member
How did the director respond?

From my recollection it was some generic answer about how they wanted to tell a different story with the movie, and since the movie characters are not the series characters, sometimes major changes had to be made. It doesn't really wash, but I guess he can't really take back what he had already made. Then again, my question wasn't exactly hostile, since it was probably something like "In the TV series Folken was a complex character with a lot of different motivations, why did you decide to simplify him so much for the movie".

I was a teenager, and it was the first time I was ever in the US to meet friends for an animation convention and to watch the movie premiere of my favorite series, so I wasn't exactly trying to tear him apart or anything. Lol. Oh, sweet memories.
 

Branduil

Member
From my recollection it was some generic answer about how they wanted to tell a different story with the movie, and since the movie characters are not the series characters, sometimes major changes had to be made. It doesn't really wash, but I guess he can't really take back what he had already made. Then again, my question wasn't exactly hostile, since it was probably something like "In the TV series Folken was a complex character with a lot of different motivations, why did you decide to simplify him so much for the movie".

I was a teenager, and it was the first time I was ever in the US to meet friends for an animation convention and to watch the movie premiere of my favorite series, so I wasn't exactly trying to tear him apart or anything. Lol. Oh, sweet memories.

Akane got off easy. My question would have been much harsher.
 

duckroll

Member
Folken was SUPER David Bowie, lmao... but otherwise, everyone was hyper-emotionalized (is that a word?), like, every character represented a single emotion, but to the highest degree. Van = uncertainty, Hitomi = hopelessness, Merle = Lust, Folken = Resent, etc.. each character's representative emotion served as a way for those characters to find resolve (IE Van's uncertainty turned to certainty / Hitomi's hopelessness turned into hope, etc..
Merle's Lust turned into Lust.
) So the characters were all one dimensional as a necessity - mainly due to taking such a spanning story - one that could barely fit into 26 episodes, and compressing it to one and a half hours. But I do see your point!

Regardless, great experience! Must see!! BONES did an excellent job as well.

I think the problem I have is that while it's true that in the movie they went for a more stage-like effect where every character represented some extreme emotion, I felt such a direction did not fit Folken most of all. In the series, a lot of the same characters represented the same emotions. It was less extreme, more developed, etc, because it was a series instead of a movie, but it was still familiar.

For Folken though, his very purpose in the series was that he was meant to be hard to read, and in the end, it results in a very powerful climax for his character arc because he really isn't exactly the sort of person Hitomi thought he was based on what Vaan had said. Vaan wanted to believe his brother was all those things because it would make it easier for him to accept. But the truth is never that simple, and the road his brother walks is a different one, and arguably a harder one.

In the movie though, Folken is basically EXACTLY what Vaan thought he was. It makes the confrontation at the end completely devoid of tension or surprise, but instead just filled with a hollow soulless sort of sadness. Maybe that was the point, but I felt it betrayed the nature of the character originally created in the TV series.
 

Extollere

Sucks at poetry
Completely agree! And you've said it better than I could have! For whatever reasons they thought this was necessary, it didn't detract a great deal from the experience for me IMO. I know who Falken is in the series, and if he needed to be a readable villain for the purpose of a movie I suppose I can accept it and enjoy the film for what it is - which is still pretty darn awesome!
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Hakkenden: Touhou Hakken Ibun 02:

This show continues to be really focused on first and foremost telling its story. There have been countless opportunities for it to divert time away from the direct progression of events toward the kind of hijinx and pandering that wouldn't seem out of place in a show like this whose characters seem so evocative at first glance of simple and well-worn otaku and fujoshi behavioral tropes, but outside of some occasional tension-breaking humor, the show continues to be surprisingly grounded, sincere, and isn't overbearingly animu. More people should really be watching this, even if it's by no means great. Either this or The Unlimited is going to end up being the underrated show of the season.

I guess that the one real criticism that I have so far is that the setting is kind of a mess so far. I know that this is supposed to be an updated/modified retelling of a classic Japanese story, but man, the environment in episode two really lacked a cohesive style. There are people walking around in 19th-century English clothing and football jerseys among architecture that's Renaissance Italian in one scene and traditional Japanese in the next. There are cars, trains, and magic, but no modern conveniences. Especially with the show's limited background budget, it all looks like a patchwork mish-mash and doesn't impart the sort of unique character to the show that one would hope from something that is supposedly trying to differentiate itself from the work from which it's adapted. It's a minor complaint given that they've already managed to absorb me in the narrative, but I'd like to see stronger visual direction to accompany this fantastical world of youkai where technology and tradition are intermingled.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I don't think Nogizaka Haruka was too successful initially. Rather, I would say that the dropoffs between each season and the OVAs are in line with the franchise decay you see in a lot of other shows that were popular a couple of years ago like Zero no Tsukaima. Otaku have short attention span and Nogizaka Haruka wasn't exactly a popular series like, say, Shakugan no Shana was (and even that had mediocre sales for its final season compared to its first and second).

I personally think that harems have changed. I don't have evidence to back it up, but I feel like they sell and are produced less than in the mid-2000's and that shows like Infinite Stratos, Haganai, and Oreimo are anomalies that mask how much the harem/action or even just the regular harem have fallen out of favor. There will still be big harem hits, of course. The second seasons of Haganai, Oreimo, and Railgun will probably be really successful. I just think that the successful harem shows are, for the most part, successful because of the light novel industry and that anime producers are more conservative about making harems that aren't successful light novels already.

It kinda feels like harems have been divided into two categories: low-selling, poorly-produced anime intending only to promote a light novel or a visual novel (Campione, Hoshikaka, OreTsuba, Da Capo III probably) or popular, more ambitious series intending to create or bolster their franchise (Oreimo, Sword Art Online, Horizon). Maybe it's just because I started watching anime in 2006, so I don't have good perspective and it has always been like this. I don't really have evidence to back up all of this speculation either.

In this case, though, I would say that Nogizaka Haruka's sales are because of a changing demographic. I just think people lost interest.

Edit: I know the two categories sound almost the same! It makes sense in my head though. :<

Yeah, honestly, I don't have any real experience to understand the shift in harem pandering completely. Haruka is probably one of the older ones that I've seen, and it's not really all that old.

The idea of the harem must still be a thing though. SAO's success indicates that there is room in most sadlifes for a bland character that is super powerful and surrounded by hapless women who want to ride him to the chapel and the maternity ward, and it seems every season one of those shows hit it big. Well, by big I mean supra-10k sales. lol

I guess I'm just not educated enough to know if there's an actual change or if it really is a simple case of franchise fatigue. If anything, it seems older anime favoured the love triangle whereas now they seem to be in the minority. But again, that's basically an uneducated guess more than anything based on any real research.

I think it is true that most harems are adaptations though... I don't think I can come up with an original harem off the top of my head. In that respect, they all serve as advertisements more than anything else.

If you think it's a question of interest, why do you think people got bored with Haruka? Or is it a case where the porn is in the tropes, not in the literal "climax" of the series? All you need is just a season of some girl being shy, shouting BAKA, being cold, and being older (lol) and that's enough for most people? I suppose if you're just trope shopping, you don't really care what the author wants anyway.
 

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo 14



I believe this show is in a world where one pair must be unhappy if another is happy or the whole universe will explode.

Shiina looked surprisingly nice this episode. Her emotional side is pretty funny too actually.
 

Moonlight

Banned
Hyouka Episode 11.5

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(JJ Abrams Presents)

I think someone here said that this is the most important episode of Hyouka. I can't say I quite agree, but it's a bit baffling that this was never in the original run, given how significant a bridge it is between the film and festival arcs. I actually stopped somewhere after the first seven minutes to rewatch episode eleven to give what was going on a better context. This is Houtarou brought his lowest after his ego is set up and sent crashing down like a bunch of Jenga blocks by Irisu.

The mystery was, as per usual, pretty mundane. But as with always in Hyouka, it serves an underlying purpose of furthering character development. It rekindles some confidence in his own abilities and especially, it's the start of a serious progression in Chitanda and Oreki's relationship. By this point, it's fairly evident how much Oreki is beginning to rely on her - it's her words of encouragement, after all, that get him crawling back out of his funk.

It was just a really fun episode all around. Hyouka's at its' best when it lets the characters breathe, and that's exactly what this episode did. I think I was particularly fond of
Mayaka's objections towards being picked up. Those few moments where quietly Mayaka walks into Satoshi's arms before she loses her composure were amazing.

As always with Hyouka, the production quality is absolutely impeccable. This really can't be overstated enough, because lord, I've never seen a swimming pool episode look so good.

And it figures that the only shower scene in Hyouka stars the girl without a face.

I should really get around to a proper rewatch of Hyouka. But, well, priorities.
 

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
Best Hyouka episode was episode 21. Everyone here knows it.

just kidding. I did enjoy 21 a lot though.
 

Dresden

Member
I wonder how unfunny this will be.

This month, the new reality television program Y&#363;mei Manga Jikken Gekij&#333; Dekiru de Show!? will challenge comedians to recreate a famous scene from manga or anime in each episode. In the first episode on Sunday, Hidetsugu Shibata of the comedy duo Untouchable will try to recreate the Galaxy Express 999 anime's title vehicle as its soars through space — by launching into the stratosphere on a weather balloon with a camera.

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Mature

Member
Good choices. I always liked the other Samurai Champloo one, as well as a lot of the GiTS:SAC ones.

Same exact crew is working on Toonami current, though! I don't catch it every weekend, but I try to stay abreast with all their bumps, promos or whatever. They're pretty great, too.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Hyouka Episode 11.5

I think someone here said that this is the most important episode of Hyouka. I can't say I quite agree, but it's a bit baffling that this was never in the original run, given how significant a bridge it is between the film and festival arcs. I actually stopped somewhere after the first seven minutes to rewatch episode eleven to give what was going on a better context. This is Houtarou brought his lowest after his ego is set up and sent crashing down like a bunch of Jenga blocks by Irisu.

duckroll made it sound like you hated this episode or thought this episode was pointless or something, so I was all ready with the brimstone and fire and now I don't even know what to say. lol

For me, beyond serving as a bridge, it serves as a nice denouement to not only the film arc but the entire first half of the series. It turns Oreki into a human being, as opposed to a crazy person who goes from
screaming in anguish in one episode
and ("future spoilers")
being normal again as if nothing happened
. It also explains the function of the mysteries in terms of their use in the narrative as a form of characterization. Without all those episodes, there is no film arc, and consequently no emotional pay off and character growth.

The episode serves as the hinge that connects the two halves of the series together and without it, the series is much weaker.
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
When I posted in this thread the other day for the first time, I felt like I went through a time warp. How did you guys reach OT4 already?

Hardly any anime seems to be airing this season.
 
What is with the OT name vote? Why not just call it OT5? Clearly I'm not in on something here lol.

We got All Fiction'd, so now we're deciding on whether we can defeat Kumagawa or not. If we can, we can restore what he erased and make it back to OT2, which is what it normally would be. If not, we'll fall further into non-existence.
 
We got All Fiction'd, so now we're deciding on whether we can defeat Kumagawa or not. If we can, we can restore what he erased and make it back to OT2, which is what it normally would be. If not, we'll fall further into non-existence.

Sounds like a pointless struggle. We should just see how deep this rabbit hole goes.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
You can't restore anything erased by All Fiction, Kumagawa said as much.
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
We got All Fiction'd, so now we're deciding on whether we can defeat Kumagawa or not. If we can, we can restore what he erased and make it back to OT2, which is what it normally would be. If not, we'll fall further into non-existence.

So it was a joke? Shit I was about to write that I didn't realize you guys wrote OT -4 as a joke, and it is OT1. Then I saw the wall of shame for OT3.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Good choices. I always liked the other Samurai Champloo one, as well as a lot of the GiTS:SAC ones.

Same exact crew is working on Toonami current, though! I don't catch it every weekend, but I try to stay abreast with all their bumps, promos or whatever. They're pretty great, too.

Oh man, that other Champloo promo is nostagia overload. That song is San Francisco - Midicronica, which was only used once in the show as the ED in the final episode but in the promos long before the finale ever aired here.

I think I'm going to be up watching old adult swim bumps on youtube for the rest of the night now. I associate stuff like this so strongly with watching Fullmetal Alchemist for the first time as a teenager.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
">duckroll
>being a trap"

>greentext
>call cuilan
 
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