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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -5| This is stupid, kayos90 sucks!

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firehawk12

Subete no aware
Out of curiosity, are people enjoying the current/ending(?) arc of Space Bros? There have been some especially egregious long stares and pans occasionally followed by teleportation lately.

It was kind of weird to have everyone celebrating saving Hibito when this other guy is still off freezing to death. All of this space stuff is really the opposite of what I want out of Space Bros. I guess I find myself preferring the more genuine interactions over cheesy action and ghost dad.

A lot of the pacing feels like budget and/or television pacing problems.

In terms of what is happening?

I liked how it was handled in the movie, but that's because they had the advantage of ending the movie on that incident. The series doesn't have that luxury unfortunately. In terms of the entire situation altogether... well, on the one hand the entire series builds to this moment, but on the other hand it turns out that space exploration is pretty fucking boring. It's why Americans stopped caring and only launched 6 more missions after Apollo 11 and the only time NASA makes the news for their manned space program is when tragedy strikes. So there has to be a crisis in order to create drama.

The alternative would have been a rehash of the capsule arc, where it was just a matter of seeing these people live on the moon for several episodes doing real science, and I would have been perfectly fine with that... but I'd probably be in the minority in that regard.

Of course, this arc also pays off the entire Brian Jay character, so at the very least I have to give them props for that much.

You should watch Episode of Nami. Gives me a Yoshiwara arc feel.

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So I assume this covered that Arlong arc that you and a couple of others (Uchip, I believe) wanted to watch when I started watching the show... last year or whenever it was.

You are right about it hitting a lot of the same notes as Yoshiwara, especially since Nami and Tsukuyo are pretty much analogous here. Although, I will say, after watching the latest episode of Wafuu Busters, the whole
secret sacrifice thing
felt a bit played out. But that's my fault for watching Little Busters more than anything else. lol

What shocked me is that this arc, according to the wikia, is 14 episodes. So at least twice the length of this movie. God damn.

I think the movie could have been a little tighter (the whole thing with that sea cow creature was completely pointless), but I can't imagine what they could have added to this story to stretch it out to 14 episodes. More exposition? More fighting? I just don't know. But I guess that's precisely why I probably can't watch the series proper - hopefully they'll just do digest versions of the entire anime and have them all out by the time the show ends. (One Piece Kai please).

I do have some thoughts about the movie itself, and these are probably things I've expressed before when I watched the series, but I find the depiction of violence extremely odd - and I assume it's because it's a show for children?

They have Arlong kill Bellmere and actually show it on screen (for the most part), and it serves as the turning point of the film. For one of these types of stories, it worked perfectly even though I knew exactly what was going to happen. Hell, the exact same thing happens in the Courtesan arc, and it's a very classic way to garner sympathy for a character and more importantly antagonism for an... antagonist very quickly. That's all fine and good.

What I don't get is why the good characters aren't allowed to express the same kind of violence? The assuming is that Arlong is dead at the end, but we have no idea if that's true or not. Even the guy with swords isn't allowed to actually cut anyone with them and presumably just knocks the other guy unconscious.

The Courtesan arc twists this by having
Takasugi kill the bad guy
, making you question the very nature of revenge, but here it's completely absent... which of course makes me wonder if Arlong won't just come back and nuke the village the moment that Luffy and his gang sail away.

I'm not sure how I feel about the ethics of that, because you don't really want to glorify violence for the children watching the show - Brad Pitt isn't carving any swastikas here - but you also don't show any consequences for the good guys using violence whatsoever. Luffy doesn't have to have PTSD dreams of killing his enemies because he never actually has to kill any of them.

I assume the entire series is like that? Especially since the primary mode of action is martial arts and short of breaking necks, there really isn't any way to make it bloody and disgusting (hey, even Wei Shen had to use the environment to fuck people up in Sleeping Dogs lol). I think maybe this is one place where I'd give the edge to Gintama, because as jokey and shounen-ey as Gintoki can be, he's not above murdering his enemies.

Also, people were right about Oda not being able to draw women. I couldn't unsee the whole hourglass thing. :p

Oh yeah, the hair!
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What's amusing is that I saw someone that almost had that exact same haircut, although she had a mohawk. I wonder if Oda saw some punk girls whenever he came up with that character.

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And hey, a hair upgrade!
 

Cwarrior

Member
So I assume this covered that Arlong arc that you and a couple of others (Uchip, I believe) wanted to watch when I started watching the show... last year or whenever it was.

You are right about it hitting a lot of the same notes as Yoshiwara, especially since Nami and Tsukuyo are pretty much analogous here. Although, I will say, after watching the latest episode of Wafuu Busters, the whole
secret sacrifice thing
felt a bit played out. But that's my fault for watching Little Busters more than anything else. lol

What shocked me is that this arc, according to the wikia, is 14 episodes. So at least twice the length of this movie. God damn.

I think the movie could have been a little tighter (the whole thing with that sea cow creature was completely pointless), but I can't imagine what they could have added to this story to stretch it out to 14 episodes. More exposition? More fighting? I just don't know. But I guess that's precisely why I probably can't watch the series proper - hopefully they'll just do digest versions of the entire anime and have them all out by the time the show ends. (One Piece Kai please).

I do have some thoughts about the movie itself, and these are probably things I've expressed before when I watched the series, but I find the depiction of violence extremely odd - and I assume it's because it's a show for children?

They have Arlong kill Bellmere and actually show it on screen (for the most part), and it serves as the turning point of the film. For one of these types of stories, it worked perfectly even though I knew exactly what was going to happen. Hell, the exact same thing happens in the Courtesan arc, and it's a very classic way to garner sympathy for a character and more importantly antagonism for an... antagonist very quickly. That's all fine and good.

What I don't get is why the good characters aren't allowed to express the same kind of violence? The assuming is that Arlong is dead at the end, but we have no idea if that's true or not. Even the guy with swords isn't allowed to actually cut anyone with them and presumably just knocks the other guy unconscious.

The Courtesan arc twists this by having
Takasugi kill the bad guy
, making you question the very nature of revenge, but here it's completely absent... which of course makes me wonder if Arlong won't just come back and nuke the village the moment that Luffy and his gang sail away.

I'm not sure how I feel about the ethics of that, because you don't really want to glorify violence for the children watching the show - Brad Pitt isn't carving any swastikas here - but you also don't show any consequences for the good guys using violence whatsoever. Luffy doesn't have to have PTSD dreams of killing his enemies because he never actually has to kill any of them.

I assume the entire series is like that? Especially since the primary mode of action is martial arts and short of breaking necks, there really isn't any way to make it bloody and disgusting (hey, even Wei Shen had to use the environment to fuck people up in Sleeping Dogs lol). I think maybe this is one place where I'd give the edge to Gintama, because as jokey and shounen-ey as Gintoki can be, he's not above murdering his enemies.

Also, people were right about Oda not being able to draw women. I couldn't unsee the whole hourglass thing. :p

Oh yeah, the hair!

What's amusing is that I saw someone that almost had that exact same haircut, although she had a mohawk. I wonder if Oda saw some punk girls whenever he came up with that character.

And hey, a hair upgrade!


Maybe it's cause I just came home and it's 5 in the morning But I've read this twice and still have no clue what you thought of the tv special, did you like it or did you hate it?

Some assumptions about the tv version and what happens in the future, comparison to gintma arc's I've never heard of, haircuts and something about brad pit.
 

wonzo

Banned
Asked a friend for recommendations for some short series I could watch to pull me out of my Toradora-induced depression. He recommended Tamayura and Moritasan wa Mukuchi.

So, guess I'm gonna plow through those real quick.

(Man, I really wish I'd saved Candy Boy for now. That would have done the trick nicely.)
Morita-san's one of the better shorts series I've seen and Tamayura owns! Just be sure to start off with the OVA series first.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Asked a friend for recommendations for some short series I could watch to pull me out of my Toradora-induced depression. He recommended Tamayura and Moritasan wa Mukuchi.

So, guess I'm gonna plow through those real quick.

(Man, I really wish I'd saved Candy Boy for now. That would have done the trick nicely.)

I can't remember if you've seen Aria. lol


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Maybe it's cause I just came home and it's 5 in the morning But I've read this twice and still have no clue what you thought of the tv special, did you like it or did you hate it?

Some assumptions about the tv version and what happens in the future, comparison to gintma arc's I've never heard about, haircuts and something about brad pit.
I appreciated it I suppose. It just raised more questions about the series for me more than anything else though.

I still can't imagine what this story would have been like at twice the length, for instance.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
[Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water] 24
Other than the weird comedy antics with King and Nadia being an insufferable bitch again, there was nothing bad about this episode! Actually, there wasn't even any :wonzo that I could speak of! The only real sin I've seen from the two island episodes I've watched is that it comes immediately after a tense and pivotal plot point, but it's nowhere near as painful as people have been warning me. Maybe it's just the lowered expectations?
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
One thing that has come to mind while watching Nadia, especially in this latest episode, is how anti-Miyazaki Hideaki Anno is. All his shows save Kare Kano glorify science and science fiction, and even in here his anti-hippie antics are very obvious, with Nadia getting schadenfreude'd over and over again.
 
Blood-C 1-4

2. This Saya is already better than the Blood+ version (and that version was absolutely terrible)

Blood-C 5-8

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Thanks for saving that one throwaway character while letting the twins and a bunch of other useless characters bite it, Saya. Doing a real bang up job

I swear this show a 100% trollfest.
Hero can't save shit, everyone getting killed left and right in such a gruesome fashion it even has me yelling WTF, nothing's being answered, why the fuck is there a talking dog?, we've seen Saya's tits no point in her covering them up, etc. etc. etc.

And the preview for Epi. 9.....yeah, looks like things are about to get even worse
 

Cwarrior

Member
I can't remember if you've seen Aria. lol

I appreciated it I suppose. It just raised more questions about the series for me more than anything else though.

I still can't imagine what this story would have been like at twice the length, for instance.

Just let you know Alrong
is in jail he was arrested by the marines, yes the rat marine officer after his defeat
, So he won't be nuke-ing any towns you can rest easy.

Also to let you know some the story was cut and a lot of the events shorten down or cut but too me it just sounds like your complaining about stuff you haven't experience yet and just going by your assumptions then complaining for the sake of complain about how you would imagine it being like, stop thinking about the unknown and try to base you opinion on what your seeing in front of you.
 

fertygo

Member
Blood-C 5-8

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Thanks for saving that one throwaway character while letting the twins and a bunch of other useless characters bite it, Saya. Doing a real bang up job

I swear this show a 100% trollfest.
Hero can't save shit, everyone getting killed left and right in such a gruesome fashion it even has me yelling WTF, nothing's being answered, why the fuck is there a talking dog?, we've seen Saya's tits no point in her covering them up, etc. etc. etc.

And the preview for Epi. 9.....yeah, looks like things are about to get even worse

Can't wait for your next impression.
 

Branduil

Member
Blood-C 5-8

huge-mistake.gif


Thanks for saving that one throwaway character while letting the twins and a bunch of other useless characters bite it, Saya. Doing a real bang up job

I swear this show a 100% trollfest.
Hero can't save shit, everyone getting killed left and right in such a gruesome fashion it even has me yelling WTF, nothing's being answered, why the fuck is there a talking dog?, we've seen Saya's tits no point in her covering them up, etc. etc. etc.

And the preview for Epi. 9.....yeah, looks like things are about to get even worse

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Articalys

Member
I'm now seeing some reports from the Idolmaster "MUSIC FESTIVAL OF WINTER" concert that they announced some sort of movie, with more details to come in the next issue of Megami magazine. Not sure how legit this is yet, or what it even means.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Just let you know Alrong
is in jail he was arrested by the marines, yes the rat marine officer after his defeat
, So he won't be nuke-ing any towns you can rest easy.

Also to let you know some the story was cut and a lot of the events shorten down or cut but too me it just sounds like your complaining about stuff you haven't experience yet and just going by your assumptions then complaining for the sake of complain about how you would imagine it being like.

On the first point, I think that's pretty ridiculous given the context provided in the show, but whatever (let's hand over the drug lord to the cops that he's paid off, nothing bad will happen right?).

On the second point, I felt the Usopp arc was a bit of a drag. I'm assuming the TV version of this Arlong arc is the same way if the makers of this movie found a way to cut 50% of the story and still come up with something decent/good.
 

Seraphis Cain

bad gameplay lol
Moritasan wa Mukuchi 1-5

This is pretty delightful. Feeling slightly less depressed already. Morita's dead eyes are a bit creepy though. :lol
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
What I don't get is why the good characters aren't allowed to express the same kind of violence? The assuming is that Arlong is dead at the end, but we have no idea if that's true or not. Even the guy with swords isn't allowed to actually cut anyone with them and presumably just knocks the other guy unconscious.

...

I'm not sure how I feel about the ethics of that, because you don't really want to glorify violence for the children watching the show - Brad Pitt isn't carving any swastikas here - but you also don't show any consequences for the good guys using violence whatsoever. Luffy doesn't have to have PTSD dreams of killing his enemies because he never actually has to kill any of them.

Luffy's philosophy is that having your ambitions crushed is a fate worse than death, which is the only reason that he doesn't kill. There's no actual moral impetus behind his policy of sparing all of his enemies after their defeat (not to mention that he's indirectly sacrificed hundreds of people over the course of the series for his own goals and never expressed any guilt over it.)

None of this probably eases your concerns if you find the lack of violence/killing from the protagonists to be somehow bad on principle, but given that what you want would never be permissible anyway given the demographics for the manga, I think it's an elegant justification that gels with the themes of the story.
 

Cwarrior

Member
On the first point, I think that's pretty ridiculous given the context provided in the show, but whatever (let's hand over the drug lord to the cops that he's paid off, nothing bad will happen right?).

On the second point, I felt the Usopp arc was a bit of a drag. I'm assuming the TV version of this Arlong arc is the same way if the makers of this movie found a way to cut 50% of the story and still come up with something decent/good.

Personally I just don't think plot heavy action shows are for you, since your known to dislike fights and lots of plot points(op has ton of theses) and overarching story's (well that's what i got from you from speaking to you in Irc).

Your far to busy complaining about the unknown/stuff you haven't seen yet so it's sounds like you just don't want to watch it.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Luffy's philosophy is that having your ambitions crushed is a fate worse than death, which is the only reason that he doesn't kill. There's no actual moral impetus behind his policy of sparing all of his enemies after their defeat (not to mention that he's indirectly sacrificed hundreds of people over the course of the series for his own goals and never expressed any guilt over it.)

None of this probably eases your concerns if you find the lack of violence/killing from the protagonists to be somehow bad on principle, but given that what you want would never be permissible anyway given the demographics for the manga, I think it's an elegant justification that gels with the themes of the story.

Wow. Really? That is so awfully convenient that, if I were to put myself into the mindset of the show's target audience, I actually think that it makes perfect sense. lol

I don't really have a problem with it, but given what I know about this world and how they set up the revenge porn fantasy (in both this arc and the Usopp arc anyway), I can't believe that they'd willingly ignore the obvious payoff because they don't want the hero to bloody his hands.

I don't suppose that this philosophy of his comes back to bite him in the ass at some point?

God damnit. I had forgotten about this too.

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Space Bros 44
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My manga grammar is bad, because I have no idea what lines around the eyes is supposed to represent. What does this mean?

Also, there's a moment in the episode where they label the characters in the scene which felt absolutely unnecessary given how the characters are designed. I guess they just assume that the people watching this show are idiots. :p
 
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I was pretty glad the 'drama' was pretty low-key and they didn't spend too much time on it especially after watching that crap show, OreShura earlier today.

More character introductions and I wonder how many more ways they can come up with to make the current PreCures ineffective just so the new one can come in and shine.
 

Cwarrior

Member
Wow. Really? That is so awfully convenient that, if I were to put myself into the mindset of the show's target audience, I actually think that it makes perfect sense. lol

I don't really have a problem with it, but given what I know about this world and how they set up the revenge porn fantasy (in both this arc and the Usopp arc anyway), I can't believe that they'd willingly ignore the obvious payoff because they don't want the hero to bloody his hands.

I don't suppose that this philosophy of his comes back to bite him in the ass at some point?

Well he did have
buggy make a flashy return teaming up with another of his enemys and was nearly successful in executing luffy
.
 
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